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WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby iul » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 06:07

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 50gy2.html

Interesting bit:
"The early proposal also includes a tier-two version of the competition operating at the same time as the major league, with a promotion/relegation system used to decide who swaps in and out of the bottom two spots each year."

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby SHIZZZO » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 06:49

Interesting, sounds like the UEFA's League of Nations. In football it worked out well, so should do for rugby as well. Not sure about the summer tests though, if we end up in the top tier division, hanging there without our first choice guys in summer will be problematic.
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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby Working Class Rugger » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 07:14

SHIZZZO wrote:Interesting, sounds like the UEFA's League of Nations. In football it worked out well, so should do for rugby as well. Not sure about the summer tests though, if we end up in the top tier division, hanging there without our first choice guys in summer will be problematic.


If this is set to start in 2020 then you'll need a big showing at the RWC.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 07:20

Or missing it and waiting for others to fail. Optimal strategy :lol:

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby SHIZZZO » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 07:31

Working Class Rugger wrote:
SHIZZZO wrote:Interesting, sounds like the UEFA's League of Nations. In football it worked out well, so should do for rugby as well. Not sure about the summer tests though, if we end up in the top tier division, hanging there without our first choice guys in summer will be problematic.


If this is set to start in 2020 then you'll need a big showing at the RWC.


I hope our guys will do great on the RWC. Article mentions relegation promotion, so even if we do not end up in the top tourny from the outset, we have good chance of getting there following the promotion from the lower division.
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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby iul » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 07:56

It's likely promotion and relegation will be limited to the SH, because they only have 4 T1s anyway. Unlikely they'll let Italy drop down and let Georgia/Romania host 3 home games against T1s in November.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 08:14

Lucrative markets = JPN | USA could replace ITA in 6N

I envisage promotion | relegation on 2 year cycle =
on aggregate of 22 = 2 * 11 rounds

No doubt, they will operate separate League tables
with bonus system = preferably used by SANZAAR | REC | FRA | GEO

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby iul » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 08:29

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:Lucrative markets = JPN | USA could replace ITA in 6N

I envisage promotion | relegation on 2 year cycle =
on aggregate of 22 = 2 * 11 rounds

No doubt, they will operate separate League tables
with bonus system = preferably used by SANZAAR | REC | FRA | GEO

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They'll replace the PIs with the US and Japan instead of any of the 6N markets.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 09:03

Maybe, for initial edition ...

Then they should comply to sport's principle = standings

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby rey200 » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 09:29

Why not replace Italy? Then Georgia or whatever teams qualify based on merits will play T1 opposition. 6N could be left alone forever and T2 nations still could rise.
I mean it'd be definitely better than now
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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby TheStroBro » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 15:15

This is just a bad idea.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby Blurandski » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 15:30

Pichot + SANZAAR + Geo/Jpn have a majority, so I reckon that no-one will be protected from relegation. NL1 will become the new T1.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby 4N » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 15:58

TheStroBro wrote:This is just a bad idea.


Almost no one from the US seems to like the concept.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby fullbackace » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 16:16

4N wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:This is just a bad idea.


Almost no one from the US seems to like the concept.

I guess US already gets plenty of Tier 1 tests and this thing might reduce it...

I'm not yet sure how to feel about it.
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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby Thomas » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 16:24

I cannot decide on this either, would this work alongside with Andrew Forrest's World Series Rugby? trying to work out the strategy and line of thinking.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby Blurandski » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 16:50

IMO the best thing would have been to have a 16 team nations league (4x4), with pool stages taking place in July, then the finals occurring in W1&3 of autumn. This way the other teams can schedule autumn tests with certainty.

Then bottom in each pool joins: best ARC team not in the NL, best African Cup team not in the NL, best REC team not in the NL, best Asia/Oceania rugby team not in the NL. Form two groups of 4, play in the Autumn, top 2 in each pool qualifies for next year's NL.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby STMKY » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 17:02

How many teams are planned? Which pool will play Russia?

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby amz » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 17:14

STMKY wrote:How many teams are planned? Which pool will play Russia?

None

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby sk 88 » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 17:19

How can this:

The group will report back to the World Rugby Executive Committee in late January on the post-2019 concept. But after agreeing that any change to the existing international windows was off the table, it appears any final or finals series would always be played in November and, thus, in the northern hemisphere.


co-exist with this:
With agreement on keeping intact the existing Test windows, the competition would potentially see northern hemisphere nations play three Tests against three different countries in the south in July (from 2020), and vice-versa in November, with a final or semi-finals to be added on to the end.


They are directly opposed statements, the first says no changes to the calendar, the second says lump on 2 more games?

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby cheesus » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 17:28

The early proposal also includes a tier-two version of the competition operating at the same time as the major league, with a promotion/relegation system used to decide who swaps in and out of the bottom two spots each year.


for me this says, that promotion/relegation is planned only for the second division. as they are only talking about the bottom spots and not the top ones.
so the first division will probably be a closed shop, with italy and maybe usa in, no matter the ranking...i hope not, but i expect it like that...
if it would be fair, with promotion/relegation to the top, i would love the idea. but well...like i said, i don't have much hope.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby Coloradoan » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 18:02

fullbackace wrote:
4N wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:This is just a bad idea.


Almost no one from the US seems to like the concept.

I guess US already gets plenty of Tier 1 tests and this thing might reduce it...

I'm not yet sure how to feel about it.


Huh? Georgia will have played the exact same amount of T1 opposition the US has since the last RWC.

Georgia:
2018: Italy
2017: Wales, Argentina
2016: Scotland

USA:
2018: Scotland, Ireland
2017: Ireland
2016: Italy

You guys also have Scotland lined up for next year while we currently don't have any T1 matches scheduled for 2019.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby Blurandski » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 20:48

cheesus wrote:
The early proposal also includes a tier-two version of the competition operating at the same time as the major league, with a promotion/relegation system used to decide who swaps in and out of the bottom two spots each year.


for me this says, that promotion/relegation is planned only for the second division. as they are only talking about the bottom spots and not the top ones.
so the first division will probably be a closed shop, with italy and maybe usa in, no matter the ranking...i hope not, but i expect it like that...
if it would be fair, with promotion/relegation to the top, i would love the idea. but well...like i said, i don't have much hope.


Pichot's entire thing is opening up the system, no way would there not be promotion between NL1&2.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 20:49

The only way this works and is more open to T2 nations is if the last team in each pool in the first division get automatically relegated to the second division for the following year. But the real question is, do the T2 nations on the WR board have any say in this proposal? Do they have the votes to block this? How does this concept work with the pledge to increase the number of games between T1 and T2 nations over the next 10 years? On the surface this concept does little to improve that, if anything risks making it worse.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby Blurandski » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 21:55

thatrugbyguy wrote:The only way this works and is more open to T2 nations is if the last team in each pool in the first division get automatically relegated to the second division for the following year. But the real question is, do the T2 nations on the WR board have any say in this proposal? Do they have the votes to block this? How does this concept work with the pledge to increase the number of games between T1 and T2 nations over the next 10 years? On the surface this concept does little to improve that, if anything risks making it worse.


The article said that bottom in each (6 nation) pool would get relegated. Assuming that Italy are in NL2, then there would be 20 T1vT2 fixtures per year minimum.

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Re: WR goes ahead with the World League concept

Unread postby fullbackace » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 22:15

Coloradoan wrote:
fullbackace wrote:
4N wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:This is just a bad idea.


Almost no one from the US seems to like the concept.

I guess US already gets plenty of Tier 1 tests and this thing might reduce it...

I'm not yet sure how to feel about it.


Huh? Georgia will have played the exact same amount of T1 opposition the US has since the last RWC.

Georgia:
2018: Italy
2017: Wales, Argentina
2016: Scotland

USA:
2018: Scotland, Ireland
2017: Ireland
2016: Italy

You guys also have Scotland lined up for next year while we currently don't have any T1 matches scheduled for 2019.


You're probably right, I thoughtlessly counted the Argentina team from ARC. Still don't think it's good for the US tho, but we'll need to know more details before we make any conclusions.
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