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New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby Amargo » Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 06:09

Because why to work when you can procrastinate instead. I came with a tier system based on the fact that the All Blacks hade been the powerhouse of international in the last decade. So each tier is defined by having defeated an opponent of the upper tier during the last ten years while New Zealand serving as Tier 0. I now that the international calendar make this classification somewhat biased because not all the teams have the same opportunities of facing superior opposition.
I'll just put the list here. I'm sure that somebody will find a way to find some mistake.

T0: New Zealand
T1: Ireland, South Africa, Australia, England, France.
T2: Wales, Scotland, Argentina, Italy, Japan, Samoa, Tonga, Fiji.
T3: USA, Georgia, Romania, Canada.
T4: Uruguay, Brazil, Namibia, Germany, Russia, Portugal, Spain.

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Re: New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 08:35

Yes, rugby'dom in full of crazy ideas

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Re: New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 08:52

Actually a really interesting idea and list.

Are you sure that Tonga has really beaten someone from your t1 in the last decade? I can't find anything on a quick search, but you might be right.
If so, there apparently wouldn't be any consequences apart from them dropping to T3, as all T3 have beaten another T2 (as well).
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Re: New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby linushector » Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 09:18

Tonga beat France at the 2011 RWC, didnt they

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Re: New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 09:20

linushector wrote:Tonga beat France at the 2011 RWC, didnt they


Thanks! You are correct.
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Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby victorsra » Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 16:40

Really cool concept.

A T5 is also possible to list.
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Re: New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby NedRugby » Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 17:26

Sounds like a crazy idea, but when you see the list it looks about right.

T5 would include Chile, Paraguay, Kenya, Madagascar, Moldova, Poland, Belgium, Czechia, Hong Kong.
Netherlands would be T6.

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Re: New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby grande » Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 20:14

This is a really neat concept. I wonder how difficult it would be to include all the teams in the WR ranking... And how many tiers that would make.

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Re: New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby NedRugby » Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 22:24

You could tweak it by changing the period from a decade to 5 years or so.

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Re: New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby Amargo » Wed, 12 Dec 2018, 09:01

grande wrote:This is a really neat concept. I wonder how difficult it would be to include all the teams in the WR ranking... And how many tiers that would make.


Not that difficult but it is possible to not have all the teams. It would depend on the results.

NedRugby wrote:You could tweak it by changing the period from a decade to 5 years or so.


I wanted to include at least the two las RWC, but obviously the time window is kind of arbitrary.

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Re: New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 12 Dec 2018, 09:25

Amargo wrote:Not that difficult but it is possible to not have all the teams.


Why? The last tier are simply the teams that haven't beaten anyone above.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby ShyLockNo5 » Wed, 12 Dec 2018, 09:50

:thumbup:
Amargo wrote:Because why to work when you can procrastinate instead. I came with a tier system based on the fact that the All Blacks hade been the powerhouse of international in the last decade. So each tier is defined by having defeated an opponent of the upper tier during the last ten years while New Zealand serving as Tier 0. I now that the international calendar make this classification somewhat biased because not all the teams have the same opportunities of facing superior opposition.
I'll just put the list here. I'm sure that somebody will find a way to find some mistake.

T0: New Zealand
T1: Ireland, South Africa, Australia, England, France.
T2: Wales, Scotland, Argentina, Italy, Japan, Samoa, Tonga, Fiji.
T3: USA, Georgia, Romania, Canada.
T4: Uruguay, Brazil, Namibia, Germany, Russia, Portugal, Spain.

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Re: New Zealand's world tiers list

Unread postby Thomas » Wed, 12 Dec 2018, 16:32

There are 10 tiers in League Rugby in the UK and you can go all the way to number 1 all the way to number 10 (it has happened), this doesn't include the Merit leagues for social clubs and 2nd XV Competitions.

Using that analogy why can there be 10 tiers?

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