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Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby BigG » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 07:34


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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 10:34

Working Class Rugger wrote:
NaBUru38 wrote:French and English clubs are concerned about player welfare. Yeah right...


Lol. Yeah, if they really were concerned they'd do something about their own schedules. Complete joke.


After the San Francisco announcement Premiership Rugby did. They've built in total rest weeks from the competition, rest weeks for individual players, dropped the total minutes players are allowed on the field, dropped the "involvements" of more than 20 minutes players are allowed, added in minimum rest periods over the summer before pre-season can start, announced how they are going to monitor it and also announced how rest will be shared with the RFU with RWC squad members rested from the 2020 summer tour, Lions tourists rested for 10 weeks following the tour plus rested totally in at least one 2021 Autumn test.

But because we haven't done exactly what you want and chopped down games to go bust I guess none of that counts :twisted:

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby Silver Fox » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 10:41

sk 88 wrote:They've built in total rest weeks from the competition, rest weeks for individual players, dropped the total minutes players are allowed on the field, dropped the "involvements" of more than 20 minutes players are allowed, added in minimum rest periods over the summer before pre-season can start, announced how they are going to monitor it and also announced how rest will be shared with the RFU with RWC squad members rested from the 2020 summer tour, Lions tourists rested for 10 weeks following the tour plus rested totally in at least one 2021 Autumn test.

Didn't know that :thumbup: :thumbup:
Sounds a bit like the players playing passport we once touched on and briefly discussed on this forum.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 11:10

sk 88 wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
NaBUru38 wrote:French and English clubs are concerned about player welfare. Yeah right...


Lol. Yeah, if they really were concerned they'd do something about their own schedules. Complete joke.


After the San Francisco announcement Premiership Rugby did. They've built in total rest weeks from the competition, rest weeks for individual players, dropped the total minutes players are allowed on the field, dropped the "involvements" of more than 20 minutes players are allowed, added in minimum rest periods over the summer before pre-season can start, announced how they are going to monitor it and also announced how rest will be shared with the RFU with RWC squad members rested from the 2020 summer tour, Lions tourists rested for 10 weeks following the tour plus rested totally in at least one 2021 Autumn test.

But because we haven't done exactly what you want and chopped down games to go bust I guess none of that counts :twisted:


Are you telling me you see any real value in the Premiership Rugby Cup being included in the schedule? If it's in order to give academy players a run then wouldn't investing the A-League be a better use of resources?

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 11:31

Yes because it's a higher standard than the A League played to bigger (paying) crowds. Teams charge, more or less, full price for a Cup game and get pretty decent crowds. The guys paying are usually the bench or fringe players, with some injured players returning to fitness too. It has little to nothing to do with the workload of first team players, if it was scrapped you'd see smaller squads and fewer younger players kept on (maybe a good thing to focus people on the standards needed) but next to no impact on first team minutes. Arguably they would be higher as you'd have fewer alternatives and no shop window to try them in.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby TheStroBro » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 15:39

sk 88 wrote:Yes because it's a higher standard than the A League played to bigger (paying) crowds. Teams charge, more or less, full price for a Cup game and get pretty decent crowds. The guys paying are usually the bench or fringe players, with some injured players returning to fitness too. It has little to nothing to do with the workload of first team players, if it was scrapped you'd see smaller squads and fewer younger players kept on (maybe a good thing to focus people on the standards needed) but next to no impact on first team minutes. Arguably they would be higher as you'd have fewer alternatives and no shop window to try them in.

It really is a bullshit competition. The problem with Northern Hemisphere Rugby is you don't have a true off-season. Premiership Final ends and some of these squads report in mid-july. But an easy way to increase the length of the off-season is to truncate the Champions Cup.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby NaBUru38 » Sun, 10 Mar 2019, 15:27

The Premiership Rugby Cup should be played the same day as the Premiership senior matches.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby Canalina » Sun, 10 Mar 2019, 22:18

Sorry if it was already posted, Eddie Jones inclines to a relegation/promotion mechanism in 6N

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... ugby-union

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 11 Mar 2019, 20:22

According to the BBC, world Rugby is open for format changes, such as removing the semifinals.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby Working Class Rugger » Mon, 11 Mar 2019, 21:21

NaBUru38 wrote:According to the BBC, world Rugby is open for format changes, such as removing the semifinals.


Here's a no nonsense format change. Increase the number of teams in each division by 2 from 12 to 14. Split the 14 teams in each division into two groups of 7. Use the soon to be July and November test windows. Three games each in both. Winner of each group plays in the final. The rest get combined into a single table using for and against etc. to determine rankings 3-14. The 14th teams gets relegated and replaced by the winner of the 2nd division for the next year.

Six Nations and REC run as usual. RC and the soon to be moved ARC again run as usual. This way pretty much all of the top 28 get 11 or so competitive games a year. Or they could run it over a two year period. Again with 14 team in each and again split into two groups. First year you play all the teams in your group again three in the South and three in the North. The second year you play crossover games with the other group. Top four move on to the finals. Bottom team could either be automatically relegated or enter a play off against the winner of the 2nd div.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby BigG » Mon, 11 Mar 2019, 21:41

Working Class Rugger wrote:
NaBUru38 wrote:According to the BBC, world Rugby is open for format changes, such as removing the semifinals.


Here's a no nonsense format change. Increase the number of teams in each division by 2 from 12 to 14. Split the 14 teams in each division into two groups of 7. Use the soon to be July and November test windows. Three games each in both. Winner of each group plays in the final. The rest get combined into a single table using for and against etc. to determine rankings 3-14. The 14th teams gets relegated and replaced by the winner of the 2nd division for the next year.

Six Nations and REC run as usual. RC and the soon to be moved ARC again run as usual. This way pretty much all of the top 28 get 11 or so competitive games a year. Or they could run it over a two year period. Again with 14 team in each and again split into two groups. First year you play all the teams in your group again three in the South and three in the North. The second year you play crossover games with the other group. Top four move on to the finals. Bottom team could either be automatically relegated or enter a play off against the winner of the 2nd div.


Agree with "Increase the number of teams in each division by 2 from 12 to 14."
Relegation/ promotion, i.e. change of structure of the tournament is unacceptable for Six Nations' management. Increase of NO of participants is a big headache for those guys from WR, though it would be a good solution. In general expect no change in other words no World League (Nations Championship).

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby Working Class Rugger » Mon, 11 Mar 2019, 21:56

BigG wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
NaBUru38 wrote:According to the BBC, world Rugby is open for format changes, such as removing the semifinals.


Here's a no nonsense format change. Increase the number of teams in each division by 2 from 12 to 14. Split the 14 teams in each division into two groups of 7. Use the soon to be July and November test windows. Three games each in both. Winner of each group plays in the final. The rest get combined into a single table using for and against etc. to determine rankings 3-14. The 14th teams gets relegated and replaced by the winner of the 2nd division for the next year.

Six Nations and REC run as usual. RC and the soon to be moved ARC again run as usual. This way pretty much all of the top 28 get 11 or so competitive games a year. Or they could run it over a two year period. Again with 14 team in each and again split into two groups. First year you play all the teams in your group again three in the South and three in the North. The second year you play crossover games with the other group. Top four move on to the finals. Bottom team could either be automatically relegated or enter a play off against the winner of the 2nd div.


Agree with "Increase the number of teams in each division by 2 from 12 to 14."
Relegation/ promotion, i.e. change of structure of the tournament is unacceptable for Six Nations' management. Increase of NO of participants is a big headache for those guys from WR, though it would be a good solution. In general expect no change in other words no World League (Nations Championship).


The changes I suggest wouldn't impact upon the Six Nations in any way. They'd still be played during the current window. As would the REC. The Nations League would run during the July/November windows and those windows only.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby NaBUru38 » Wed, 13 Mar 2019, 15:16

I understand why you propose to add more teams, and having multiple groups is a great idea.

However that format would add even more matches between Six Nations and between SANZAAR teams, which I oppose.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby Thomas » Wed, 13 Mar 2019, 16:22

Interesting Article in today's Guardian about Friday's Meeting. it was also in the news this morning but didn't pick up the connection

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/13/rugby-union-crossroads-dublin-summit

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby 4N » Wed, 13 Mar 2019, 23:24

Jake White’s idea is interesting. It would avoid the mismatches of Japan or USA in the RC.

"Why not launch a world league that features Scotland, France, Fiji, Argentina, Japan, Georgia, Tonga, Italy, the USA and Samoa, and then have the top six teams in the world tour each other on an alternating basis?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/inter ... rld-league

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 14 Mar 2019, 13:06

Nations Championship second tier reduced from 12 to 10 teams...
https://twitter.com/WorldRugby/status/1 ... 66464?s=19

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby iul » Thu, 14 Mar 2019, 14:08

Again they mention relegation from 6N. If that happens I'm fine withthe whole thing.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby Bogdan_DC » Thu, 14 Mar 2019, 14:46

iul wrote:Again they mention relegation from 6N. If that happens I'm fine withthe whole thing.

“However, as you would expect in an ambitious, complex and multi-stakeholder project, not everyone is in full agreement on the way forward, including the matter of promotion and relegation."

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby TheStroBro » Thu, 14 Mar 2019, 15:22

Still Shite.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby 4N » Thu, 14 Mar 2019, 15:36

The idiots fuck this up every time. Instead of correcting Belgiumwe and Namibiawe they removed them completely (not in division 2 or 3). :roll:

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby TheStroBro » Thu, 14 Mar 2019, 16:18

The protection of the Lions, and the fact that randoms say they can't tour T2s when they're no longer T2s tells me one thing. This is about control of the game in the hands of the Tri-Nations and the Home Nations. Fugg dat.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby Blurandski » Thu, 14 Mar 2019, 16:24

TheStroBro wrote:The protection of the Lions, and the fact that randoms say they can't tour T2s when they're no longer T2s tells me one thing. This is about control of the game in the hands of the Tri-Nations and the Home Nations. Fugg dat.


You're completely overreacting. In all things ever there's a segment of the population that wants nothing to change, the key is to slowly boil the frog. Turn up the heat too quickly and it'll hop off.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby Thomas » Thu, 14 Mar 2019, 16:32

Put the Frog in the blender :lol: :lol: :lol:

Looking at the video, looks like Namibia and Belgium are missing? or is the new video for practical purposes only?

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby 4N » Thu, 14 Mar 2019, 16:37

Blurandski wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:The protection of the Lions, and the fact that randoms say they can't tour T2s when they're no longer T2s tells me one thing. This is about control of the game in the hands of the Tri-Nations and the Home Nations. Fugg dat.


You're completely overreacting. In all things ever there's a segment of the population that wants nothing to change, the key is to slowly boil the frog. Turn up the heat too quickly and it'll hop off.


You must be confusing this with a talk you had with an old boy at your club because no one here resists positive change. The purpose of this forum is basically to empower T2s. What Stro, myself and others don’t want is a plan that is transparently for Tier 1 finances being sold as an opportunity for T2.

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Re: Your feelings on the World League proposal (poll reset)

Postby Blurandski » Thu, 14 Mar 2019, 16:57

4N wrote:
Blurandski wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:The protection of the Lions, and the fact that randoms say they can't tour T2s when they're no longer T2s tells me one thing. This is about control of the game in the hands of the Tri-Nations and the Home Nations. Fugg dat.


You're completely overreacting. In all things ever there's a segment of the population that wants nothing to change, the key is to slowly boil the frog. Turn up the heat too quickly and it'll hop off.


You must be confusing this with a talk you had with an old boy at your club because no one here resists positive change. The purpose of this forum is basically to empower T2s. What Stro, myself and others don’t want is a plan that is transparently for Tier 1 finances being sold as an opportunity for T2.


I'm referencing this convo he had with the Ulster fan: https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/com ... s/eiifica/

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