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2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 14 Jan 2019, 17:12

February 2:

Uruguay - Canada (at Montevideo)
Argentina XV - Brazil (at Neuquén)
Chile - United States (at Santiago)

February 9:

Argentina XV - United States (at Río Negro)
Brazil - Canada (at São Paulo)
Uruguay - Chile (at Montevideo)

February 16: break

February 22-23:

Canada - Chile (Friday, at Langford)
Argentina XV - Uruguay (at Buenos Aires)
United States - Brazil (at Houston)

March 1-2:

Canada - Argentina XV (Friday, at Langford)
United States - Uruguay (at Tukwila)
Brazil - Chile (at São Paulo)

March 8-9:

United States - Canada (at Tukwila)
Chile - Argentina XV (at Santiago)
Uruguay - Brazil (at Montevideo)

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby victorsra » Mon, 14 Jan 2019, 17:57

USA-Brazil changed to Austin.
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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby Canadaman » Mon, 14 Jan 2019, 18:58

Canada's ARC Roster Announced, Justin Blanchet finally gets a call up he could be a good bench backrower, can cover 6 and 7 I believe. Will Kelly is our U20 FH that has been in Wales, and Will Percillier I have been told is probably our SH of the future. Simple put he is awesome and might be our best ever.

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Canada Roster:

Kyle Baillie – (NOLA Gold/Atlantic Rock) Summerside, PEI
Noah Barker – (Utah Warriors/BC Bears) Courtenay, BC
Ray Barkwill – (Unattached/Ontario Blues) Niagara Falls, ON
Justin Blanchet – (Bedford Blues) Montreal, QC
Nick Blevins – (Calgary Hornets/Prairie Wolf Pack) Calgary, AB
Hubert Buydens – (NOLA Gold/Prairie Wolf Pack) Saskatoon, SK
Luke Campbell – (James Bay AA/BC Bears) Victoria, BC
Andrew Coe – (Markham Irish/Ontario Blues) Toronto, ON
Dustin Dobravsky – (Castaway Wanderers/BC Bears) Hanover, Germany
Guiseppe du Toit – (Toronto Arrows/BC Bears) Maple Ridge, BC
Doug Fraser – (Austin Elite/BC Bears) Ladysmith, BC
Ciaran Hearn – (London Irish/Atlantic Rock) Conception Bay South, NL
Eric Howard – (NOLA Gold/Ontario Blues) Ottawa, ON
Cole Keith – (Toronto Arrows/Atlantic Rock) Sussex, NB
Will Kelly – (Dragons/Ontario Blues) Ancaster, ON
Conor Keys – (Rotherham Titans/Atlantic Rock) Stittsville, ON
Ryan Kotlewski – (Westshore RFC/Prairie Wolf Pack) Calgary, AB
Josh Larsen – (Austin Elite) Parskville, BC
Ben LeSage – (UBC Thunderbirds/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC
Kainoa Lloyd – (Toronto Arrows/Ontario Blues) Mississauga, ON
Jamie Mackenzie – (Toronto Arrows/Atlantic Rock) Oakville, ON
Pat Parfrey – (Unattached/Atlantic Rock) St. John’s, NL
Nakai Penny – (Seattle Seawolves/BC Bears) Penticton, BC
Will Percillier – (Stade Francais) Mill Bay, BC
Lucas Rumball – (Toronto Arrows/Ontario Blues) Mississauga, ON
Theo Sauder – (Toronto Arrows/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC
Djustice Sears-Duru – (Seattle Seawolves/Ontario Blues) Oakville, ON
Mike Sheppard – (Toronto Arrows/Ontario Blues) Brampton, ON


https://rugby.ca/en/news/2019/01/roster ... st-matches

We will probably see a starting XV of:

1. DSD - Maybe Barker or Buydens
2. Barkwill
3. Keith
4. Larsen
5. Sheppard
6. Baille
7. Rumball - Blanchett will probably start on the bench, he can cover 6 and 7
8. Campbell

9. Mackenzie
10. Kelly ???? Parfrey will probably get his chance to lose this jersey first
11. Lloyd
12. Hearn
13. Coe
14. Fraser ???? No real specialist wingers in this squad, lots of centres though
15. Sauder

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby victorsra » Mon, 14 Jan 2019, 20:11

I was expecting Canada with players from European rugby...
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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby Canadaman » Mon, 14 Jan 2019, 20:14

victorsra wrote:I was expecting Canada with players from European rugby...


Canada is clearly using this tournament to blood some new players in preparation for the June warm ups for the WC. The two Wills are very highly thought of prospects in Canadian rugby and they play positions where we have been thin at lately (9 and 10).

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby victorsra » Mon, 14 Jan 2019, 20:42

One thing I don't understand (but probably you have discussed this in the Canadian rugby thread): why some national team players are not involved in the Arrows, while many Arrows players are out of the national team? Are those CRC players pro payed by RC? Or is Canada really still using amateur players now that you have a pro team? I know, MLR hasn't kicked off, but still it is intriguing.
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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby TheStroBro » Mon, 14 Jan 2019, 22:00

victorsra wrote:One thing I don't understand (but probably you have discussed this in the Canadian rugby thread): why some national team players are not involved in the Arrows, while many Arrows players are out of the national team? Are those CRC players pro payed by RC? Or is Canada really still using amateur players now that you have a pro team? I know, MLR hasn't kicked off, but still it is intriguing.

Some of the guys selected are part of the Centralized Training Group. Currently, Ray Barkwill for example has a CTG contract. Canada is definitely still relying on Amateur players to provide depth.

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby Tobar » Mon, 14 Jan 2019, 23:03

And because Canada’s selection system is crap. Hopefully the introduction of the Arrows will provide RC with a better and easier selection process. No way any of the CTG players have a better environment than the Arrows players.

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby TheStroBro » Mon, 14 Jan 2019, 23:27

Tobar wrote:And because Canada’s selection system is crap. Hopefully the introduction of the Arrows will provide RC with a better and easier selection process. No way any of the CTG players have a better environment than the Arrows players.


Why is there no way? They are all Full Time Rugby players. The criticism has been in the Canada Rugby thread that those whom are in the CTG aren't good enough to be there. If anything the environments are similar day to day, but the thing that the Arrows have that is different is match time.

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby victorsra » Tue, 15 Jan 2019, 00:16

But probably all Canadian national team players will be soon involved in the MLR? There are 3 more franchises coming..i they'll need players
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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby TheStroBro » Tue, 15 Jan 2019, 04:59

victorsra wrote:But probably all Canadian national team players will be soon involved in the MLR? There are 3 more franchises coming..i they'll need players

Having done the math, you'll cover 30 players with the foreign slots. But that still leads to 60-90 "domestic" players needing to come out of the woodwork. If it were me, I'd shut down the CTG after the WC and let it be known that players have to be playing professionally in MLR or overseas. Re-purpose those funds to age grade and sevens.

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby victorsra » Tue, 15 Jan 2019, 11:39

New England has already a squad, right? But Atlanta and DC dont.
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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby Buffalo » Tue, 15 Jan 2019, 14:41

My guess at the first choice Canadian lineup keeping the Repechage squad in mind and looking towards World Cup buildup.

1) Hubert Buydens
2) Ray Barkwill
3) Cole Keith
4) Josh Larsen
5) Mike Sheppard
6) Kyle Baillie
7) Lucas Rumball
8) Luke Campbell
9) Jamie Mackenzie
10) Pat Parfrey JR
11) Kainoa Lloyd
12) Ciaran Hearn
13) Ben LeSage
14) Theo Sauder
15) Andrew Coe

Not sure how I see them doing. I could see them finishing anywhere from 3rd(though unlikely) to 5th. USA should be too strong right now and Argentina XV is always a strong contender. Uruguay should be another contender and run out a team similar to what will be at the World Cup and they’ve had our number even when we’ve been at our best lately. Definitely can’t sleep on Brazil either. They have a solid pack that even gave the Maori some trouble to complement a decently exciting group of backs.

I am keen and hopeful to see what a combo of Will Percillier and Will Kelly can do together but I won’t hold my breath this year. And I’m glad Justin Blanchet has finally been called up and/or accepted the call. He’s been in a pro environment for years in England and could be a real asset at the World Cup. I also like that they’re bringing Nakai Penny in for a look. He’s an exciting prospect.

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby Tobar » Wed, 16 Jan 2019, 03:17

TheStroBro wrote:
Tobar wrote:And because Canada’s selection system is crap. Hopefully the introduction of the Arrows will provide RC with a better and easier selection process. No way any of the CTG players have a better environment than the Arrows players.


Why is there no way? They are all Full Time Rugby players. The criticism has been in the Canada Rugby thread that those whom are in the CTG aren't good enough to be there. If anything the environments are similar day to day, but the thing that the Arrows have that is different is match time.


You said it yourself, the match time is different.

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby victorsra » Wed, 16 Jan 2019, 10:56

Buffalo wrote:My guess at the first choice Canadian lineup keeping the Repechage squad in mind and looking towards World Cup buildup.

1) Hubert Buydens
2) Ray Barkwill
3) Cole Keith
4) Josh Larsen
5) Mike Sheppard
6) Kyle Baillie
7) Lucas Rumball
8) Luke Campbell
9) Jamie Mackenzie
10) Pat Parfrey JR
11) Kainoa Lloyd
12) Ciaran Hearn
13) Ben LeSage
14) Theo Sauder
15) Andrew Coe

Not sure how I see them doing. I could see them finishing anywhere from 3rd(though unlikely) to 5th. USA should be too strong right now and Argentina XV is always a strong contender. Uruguay should be another contender and run out a team similar to what will be at the World Cup and they’ve had our number even when we’ve been at our best lately. Definitely can’t sleep on Brazil either. They have a solid pack that even gave the Maori some trouble to complement a decently exciting group of backs.

I am keen and hopeful to see what a combo of Will Percillier and Will Kelly can do together but I won’t hold my breath this year. And I’m glad Justin Blanchet has finally been called up and/or accepted the call. He’s been in a pro environment for years in England and could be a real asset at the World Cup. I also like that they’re bringing Nakai Penny in for a look. He’s an exciting prospect.


Is this squad in your opinion better than 2017's squad (defeated in São Paulo)?
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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby Canadaman » Wed, 16 Jan 2019, 16:30

Don't remember off hand who was in the 2017 squad but there are some highly thought of young guys in this squad. What I remember about the 2017 squad is that is was heavy on the domestic veterans side. Think this one is more of a balance. We will probably lose to Uruguay but should beat Brazil. Also the 2017 squad hated their coach.

- Edit- just googled the 2017 ARC roster, it had quite a few young guys two, especially at lock and 6. M. Beukeboom, O'Gorman, Nott. Those guys were probably just not physically mature enough to take on adults, would have been nice to have them 2 years older and here now. The backs had a lot of guys who were good amateurs but never stepped up: Bowd, Staller.

So, is it better? In the backs I think this is better. In the forwards, about equal. Blanchet should have been here a long time ago.

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby victorsra » Wed, 16 Jan 2019, 16:56

If it is equal in the forwards it is good for Brazil, as the Tupis improved since 2017 in the contact.
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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby Canadaman » Wed, 16 Jan 2019, 17:05

victorsra wrote:If it is equal in the forwards it is good for Brazil, as the Tupis improved since 2017 in the contact.


No Tienery and Matt Beukeboom is a huge loss they are both much better now. No idea what O'Gorman is up too. Blanchett will help in the back row a lot and Baille has stepped up to another level too. He is too good for MLR. Keith will have improved too. So that is why I said about equal in the forwards. Backrow is probably better now but tight 5 is about the same. The veterans there are not as good as before. The youngsters from 2017 have improved but are not there and we have new youngsters, for the most part, taking there place. Backs is an upgrade though, IMO.

Now that I have thought about it more, I would go with a: 6. Blanchet, 7. Rumball, 8 Baille backrow. Wouldn't be surprised to see Blanchet be our bolter for the WC. He will make the squad for sure, wouldn't be surprised if he is bench or starts.

Done some thinking, for the first ARC match, I would like to see:

1. Barker
2. Howard
3. Keith
4. Larsen
5. Sheppard
6. Blanchet
7. Rumball
8. Baille

9. Mackenzie
10. Kelly
11. Lloyd
12. Hearn
13. LeSage
14. Coe
15. Sauder

Obviously, I am going by who was selected to the squad.

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby victorsra » Wed, 16 Jan 2019, 20:25

No Tienery and Matt Beukeboom is a huge loss they are both much better now. No idea what O'Gorman is up too. Blanchett will help in the back row a lot and Baille has stepped up to another level too. He is too good for MLR. Keith will have improved too. So that is why I said about equal in the forwards. Backrow is probably better now but tight 5 is about the same. The veterans there are not as good as before. The youngsters from 2017 have improved but are not there and we have new youngsters, for the most part, taking there place. Backs is an upgrade though, IMO.

Now that I have thought about it more, I would go with a: 6. Blanchet, 7. Rumball, 8 Baille backrow. Wouldn't be surprised to see Blanchet be our bolter for the WC. He will make the squad for sure, wouldn't be surprised if he is bench or starts.

Done some thinking, for the first ARC match, I would like to see:

1. Barker
2. Howard
3. Keith
4. Larsen
5. Sheppard
6. Blanchet
7. Rumball
8. Baille

9. Mackenzie
10. Kelly
11. Lloyd
12. Hearn
13. LeSage
14. Coe
15. Sauder

Obviously, I am going by who was selected to the squad.


Interesting.

BTW, Pacaembu Stadium looks to be unavailable (soccer). Morumbi and Allianz Parque are too big and expensive with São Paulo FC and Palmeiras having busy seasons... We might see Brazil's home matches moving to Barueri or São José dos Campos. CBRu has nothing official yet, let's wait.


EDIT: I've just checked soccer's fixtures.

Brazil vs Canada match is on Feb 9th. On Feb 10th Santos will play in Pacaembu (and soccer clubs are asses, they don't want an event the day before). Palmeiras play at home on Eeb 11th, but Corinthians and São Paulo play away... it would be interesting to see the Tupis returning to Morumbi (São Paulo FC's stadium) or debuting in Arena Corinthians (WC stadium). However it would require a big venue investment from CBRu that I'm not sure they'll want to do for the ARC....

In the other hand Arena Barueri is free (local club Oeste plays away). Canindé stadium is also available, as Portuguesa plays away too. São José dos Campos' stadium is available.
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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby NaBUru38 » Tue, 29 Jan 2019, 15:48

Next Saturday's Uruguay vs Canada match is scheduled at 21:40, which is uncomfortably late. I used to go by bus, but at midnight there's few buses moving.

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby Canalina » Wed, 30 Jan 2019, 06:47

It seems the whole tournament will be live (for the non americans) on World Rugby's website and socials

https://www.world.rugby/where-to-watch

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby victorsra » Wed, 30 Jan 2019, 14:37

Brazil vs Canada match will be in São José dos Campos (100km from São Paulo city), at the Estadio Martins Pereira
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Chile vs USA match is in Maipu, Greater Santiago, at the Estadio Santiago Brueras:
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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby qwerty » Sat, 02 Feb 2019, 19:55

FT CHILE 8 USA 71

Ouch...

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby Thomas » Sat, 02 Feb 2019, 21:19

Watched the game online, Chile were poor, I mean very poor. USA had a hard training session.

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Re: 2019 Americas Rugby Championship

Postby qwerty » Sat, 02 Feb 2019, 21:55

ARG 54-3 BRA FT

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