Tier 2 & 3 Rugby Forum

Rugby World Cup 2019

Posts: 496
Joined: Sun, 19 Feb 2017, 18:10
National Flag:
GeorgiaGeorgia

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby BigG » Mon, 04 Nov 2019, 20:30

vino_93 wrote:
vino_93 wrote:Official attendances (with filling ratio, according official capacity provided by World Rugby)

Total attendance : 1 702 528 --> 90% of official average attendance


Is it possible to know what is No of locals and foreigners among attendees?

Posts: 5777
Joined: Sat, 05 Jul 2014, 02:44
National Flag:
AustraliaAustralia

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby thatrugbyguy » Tue, 05 Nov 2019, 03:53

It was reported a while back at least 600,000 visitors purchased tickets.

Posts: 781
Joined: Mon, 03 Jun 2019, 19:53
National Flag:
New ZealandNew Zealand

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby Edgar » Tue, 05 Nov 2019, 08:21

1. South Africa have become the first and, so far, only team to have won the Rugby World Cup despite losing earlier in the tournament. England, of course, were the first (and second) team to make the finals despite a previous loss in the tournament (1991, where they lost to the ABs in pool play, and 2007, where the final was a rematch of an earlier game in pool play where South Africa ripped them apart).

2. Makazole Mapimpi became the first Springbok to score a try in a World Cup final, followed shortly by Cheslin Kolbe. They are yet to concede one.

3. The Springboks seem to now win a tournament every 12 years - 1995, 2007 and now 2019.

4. Rassie Erasmus has more or less equalled Rod Macqueen's record for the amount of time between appointment as head coach and a World Cup win.

5. The Springboks are the first team to win the Rugby Champs or the Tri Nations and win the Rugby World Cup in the same year.

6. The 20-point margin is the second-equal highest winning score in a World Cup final. The record is still held by Australia in 1999, when they beat France by 23 points. 1987 also had a 20-point margin (albeit when tries were 4 points).

7. This is just the third time where the winning team scored 30+points. Australia and the All Blacks did it in 1999 and 2015 respectively.

World Cup holder performance

All Blacks, 21 June 1987 – 2 November 1991: Played 30, won 26, 3 losses, 1 draw. 88.3% success rate.
All the losses and the draw were v Australia.

Wallabies, 3 November 1991 – 24 June 1995: Played 28, won 22, lost 6. 78.6% success.
Losses to NZ, SA, France & England. 1995 was the last SH tournament played in Winter rather than Spring.

South Africa, 25 June 1995 – 6 November 1999: Played 54, won 38, lost 16. 70.4% success.
The birth of the pro era saw a leap in the number of tests played. SA became the first RWC holders to play (and lose to) the Lions.

Australia, 7 November 1999 – 22 November 2003: Played 45, won 29, lost 15, drew 1. 65.6% success.
Aussie became the first defending champions to play in (and to lose) a RWC final. They were also the first champions to record a 0% win rate against another team, going 0 – 5 v England.

England, 23 November 2003 – 20 Oct 2007: Played 47, won 21, lost 26. 44.7% success.
Worst. Champs. Ever. Failed to beat NZ, Ireland or Argentina at all. Had losing records v France, SA and Aust. The only so-called Tier 1 team they played that did win at least once was Italy.

South Africa, 21 Oct 2007 – 23 Oct 2011: Played 49, won 31, lost 18. 63.3% success.
Had losing records against only NZ and Aust, but went 50:50 v France, Ireland, and Scotland. Win rate declined year by year.

New Zealand, 24 Oct 2011 – 2 November 2019: (2011-15 / 2015-19 splits in brackets) Played 107 (54/53), won 93 (49/44), lost 10 (3/7), drew 4 (2/2). 88.78% (92.6%/84.9%) success. Marginally beats out 1987 All Blacks as best champs ever over all. Easily the best in the pro era. Even the weaker 2015-19 side has the 3rd best record after their 2015 and 1987 brethren. Winning record against every team played, except for the drawn Lions series. Losses to SA, Aus, Eng, Ire as well. Declined steadily from 100% in 2013 to only 77.3% this year.

& Here the all-time most tests without a loss or a draw for each of the Big Ten, as well as current (capped in 2019) players who have won every test they have appeared in so far:

New Zealand: Charles Piutau 17 from 17. Weber and Hemopo are both on 5, Jacobson 2 and Ennor and J. Ioane 1 each.
Ireland: Dan Leavy 11, 2016-2018. Addison 4, Haley 1.
South Africa: Hannes Brewis 10, 1949-1952. van Staden 3, Gqoboka & Elstadt 2, Ntubeni 1.
England: Jack Clifford 10, 2016-17. Matt Kvesic is on 4 from 4, Marchant 3, McConnochie & Robson 2 each.
Argentina: Pablo Gambarini 8, 2006-2008. No current 100% winners.
France: Jean-Louis Jordana 7, 1996-1997. Cros 2, Barassi & Mauvaka 1.
Wales: Seb Davies 7, 2017-18. No current 100% winners.
Australia: John Ryan 6, 1975-76. Rob Valetini is the only current 100% winner Wallaby on a 1 match winning streak.
Italy: Gianfranco Zanchi 5, 1953-57, & Fernando Pignotti 5, 1968 - 69. None current.
Scotland: Rory Hughes 4, 2015-2017. G. Stewart 3, Kerr 1.

Posts: 3
Joined: Wed, 16 Apr 2014, 20:07
National Flag:
South AfricaSouth Africa

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby haker » Fri, 08 Nov 2019, 12:02

Return_of_BG_97 wrote:Gotta be rooting for South Africa. The implications of a black rugby captain winning it all for the Springboks would be huge.


It could easily have happened twice before, taking the scores of the finals into account, though for other countries - 2003 (George Gregan) and 2011 (Thierry Dusautoir)

Vova12 wrote:Congratulations to South Africa. But this championship in my opinion is most uninteresting of those that i have seenBut this championship in my opinion is most uninteresting of those that i have seen


I couldn't agree more, when was the last World Cup with cancelled games (ok because of the weather, so fair enough) or uncontested scrums

User avatar
Posts: 5692
Joined: Sun, 27 Apr 2014, 11:50
National Flag:
ItalyItaly

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby Canalina » Tue, 10 Mar 2020, 22:21

The Japan federation would be mumbling to organize a re-match between Namibia and Canada in Kamaishi, according to

https://twitter.com/AsieRugby/status/12 ... 2293553153

A little research on google gave no other details. It would be a laudable idea, anyway

Posts: 5777
Joined: Sat, 05 Jul 2014, 02:44
National Flag:
AustraliaAustralia

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 10:16

That would be a great idea. Would it count as a RWC match?

User avatar
Posts: 5692
Joined: Sun, 27 Apr 2014, 11:50
National Flag:
ItalyItaly

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby Canalina » Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 10:33

No, I don't think. Maybe the entrance would be free for the ticket holders of the RWC match (my hypothesis, I haven't read anything about) but pretty sure the match wouldn't count for the RWC

Posts: 3432
Joined: Wed, 14 Oct 2015, 13:30
National Flag:
GermanyGermany

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 10:38

thatrugbyguy wrote:That would be a great idea. Would it count as a RWC match?


I second that. News of the Canadian rugby team cleaning up after the typhoon even made it into German tabloids. Why not build on that? Rugby Canada could profit from it.
Count it as a RWC match would be strange but also a media stunt.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

Posts: 5777
Joined: Sat, 05 Jul 2014, 02:44
National Flag:
AustraliaAustralia

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 10:53

As far as I'm concerned they may as well count it if it goes ahead. Same with the next time Italy plays the All Blacks. It's not going to change the course of who qualified for the quarterfinals but it would complete the tournament.

Posts: 966
Joined: Mon, 12 Jan 2015, 09:13
National Flag:
WalesWales

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby dwpeate » Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 13:40

Mind you, that would mean France and England would have had different quarterfinal opponents if we counted their last fixture.

Posts: 6969
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 02:51
Location: São Paulo
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby victorsra » Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 13:43

Harmless, but they should've done that before...
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

User avatar
Posts: 1334
Joined: Thu, 28 Apr 2016, 14:02
Location: Las Canteras, Uruguay
National Flag:
UruguayUruguay

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 16:34

https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/564996

The World Rugby claims a "cumulative live audience" of 501 million (adding all amtches). The final match had an average 45 million spectadors.

Posts: 5777
Joined: Sat, 05 Jul 2014, 02:44
National Flag:
AustraliaAustralia

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 23:48

That's about 10 million a match on average. I'm normally skeptical of TV figures from these world sporting organisations but 10 million is not out of the realms of possibility. Far more realistic than Fifa saying 40 Billion people watched their entire tournament.

Posts: 169
Joined: Mon, 10 Nov 2014, 06:54
National Flag:
ArgentinaArgentina

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby Hernan14 » Fri, 13 Mar 2020, 02:32

thatrugbyguy wrote:That's about 10 million a match on average. I'm normally skeptical of TV figures from these world sporting organisations but 10 million is not out of the realms of possibility. Far more realistic than Fifa saying 40 Billion people watched their entire tournament.


If I didn't read wrong it was 3.5 billion...Maybe it doesn't seem so unrealistic to me, because I am Argentine, while you are Australian...

Just to give you an idea ... when I was going to primary school, I clearly remember running from my school to my house (just two blocks away) to see the penalties between Argentina and Italy ... but I also clearly remember (I don't ask why) the match between Austria and USA (Austria won 2 to 1), without goals from Toni Polster ;) (off course, running from the school, and seeing it in the school)

Later in high school, we could watch the matches in the school auditorium, but I don't remember seeing any of Argentina, the one that remained in my mind was Paraguay versus Bulgaria ... a bitter 0 to 0 but the audience was bursting with public, public school boys obviously...how we laughed that day! :lol:

Korea-Japan, a bitterness, at that time I was going to University, but because the time of the matches, we only saw it on a giant screen in the Disco, yes, in the Disco. Not only matches of Argentina, again ...

Of course I grew up, and I started working, and since that time, one hour before and up to an hour after of the Argentina matches we have the day off to saw it where we will want...but, in the rest of the matches, you only need to just look at my teammates in front of they pc screens and ask them how the match is going ?, I don't know, maybe...Denmark v Peru or Saudi Arabia v Egypt...

But, of course, I'm from Argentina and you're from Australia... :thumbup:

Posts: 5777
Joined: Sat, 05 Jul 2014, 02:44
National Flag:
AustraliaAustralia

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 13 Mar 2020, 05:52

3.5 Billion is more reasonable, I keep seeing these 20-30 billion figure thrown around sometimes. Korea and Japan was the first time the World Cup was in a good time zone for us. Before then I was too young to watch any of the others because all the matches were on in the middle of the night, not only that but the last time Australia qualified was about 10 years before I was born, so there was little point in staying up even if I could. I didn't realise how big the event was until 2002.

Posts: 3432
Joined: Wed, 14 Oct 2015, 13:30
National Flag:
GermanyGermany

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 13 Mar 2020, 10:33

thatrugbyguy wrote:That's about 10 million a match on average. I'm normally skeptical of TV figures from these world sporting organisations but 10 million is not out of the realms of possibility. Far more realistic than Fifa saying 40 Billion people watched their entire tournament.


look at German tv figures for the soccer world cup 2018. The top 15 games had more than 254 million tv viewers alone.
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten ... tv-quoten/

I found a source, which says, that the group games (of them ALL were broadcasted on German free-to-air-tv) had an average of more than 9 million, so that's 432 million for the 48 group games + 240 million (16 games with an average of 15 million), so 0,672 billion views from Germany alone. But that's only tv figures. Live-Streaming had viewers of 5,5 million per game for the group stages, so if we take this number for all 64 games, we have 352 million views for all games.

It is save to say, that Germany, even with a desastrous tournament of our national team, produced way over 1 billion viewers alone for the FIFA WC 2018

Source for rough calculations: https://www.chip.de/news/Auch-ohne-Deut ... 14356.html
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

Posts: 5777
Joined: Sat, 05 Jul 2014, 02:44
National Flag:
AustraliaAustralia

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 14 Mar 2020, 02:14

Hernan's last post is actually a good topic for a thread, what are our earliest memories of being introduced to the sport.

Posts: 6969
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 02:51
Location: São Paulo
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby victorsra » Sat, 14 Mar 2020, 06:08

Hernan14 wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:That's about 10 million a match on average. I'm normally skeptical of TV figures from these world sporting organisations but 10 million is not out of the realms of possibility. Far more realistic than Fifa saying 40 Billion people watched their entire tournament.


If I didn't read wrong it was 3.5 billion...Maybe it doesn't seem so unrealistic to me, because I am Argentine, while you are Australian...

Just to give you an idea ... when I was going to primary school, I clearly remember running from my school to my house (just two blocks away) to see the penalties between Argentina and Italy ... but I also clearly remember (I don't ask why) the match between Austria and USA (Austria won 2 to 1), without goals from Toni Polster ;) (off course, running from the school, and seeing it in the school)

Later in high school, we could watch the matches in the school auditorium, but I don't remember seeing any of Argentina, the one that remained in my mind was Paraguay versus Bulgaria ... a bitter 0 to 0 but the audience was bursting with public, public school boys obviously...how we laughed that day! :lol:

Korea-Japan, a bitterness, at that time I was going to University, but because the time of the matches, we only saw it on a giant screen in the Disco, yes, in the Disco. Not only matches of Argentina, again ...

Of course I grew up, and I started working, and since that time, one hour before and up to an hour after of the Argentina matches we have the day off to saw it where we will want...but, in the rest of the matches, you only need to just look at my teammates in front of they pc screens and ask them how the match is going ?, I don't know, maybe...Denmark v Peru or Saudi Arabia v Egypt...

But, of course, I'm from Argentina and you're from Australia... :thumbup:


Cool.

The first FIFA WC I remember was 1994 and I haven't experienced the title in Brazil. Believe me I was with my parents in Salzburg, Austria in the day of the Brazil-Italy final. The tv in the hotel we booked was broken and we watched it in a small pub nearby. Pretty crazy day for a small kid.

Anyway, FIFA WC is a real thing in Europe, Latin America, Africa and parts of Asia. Like in Argentina, Brazil's matchdays are days off. In fact depends on when the matches are. If they are in the morning, yep, day off. If thet are in the afternoon, you usualy work in the morning.

My first RWC was 2003, the first one broadcasted properly to Brazil by ESPN. That final was what I needed to definitly become a fan.
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

Posts: 2758
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 09:18
Location: Bucharest
National Flag:
RomaniaRomania

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby amz » Sat, 14 Mar 2020, 10:39

thatrugbyguy wrote:Hernan's last post is actually a good topic for a thread, what are our earliest memories of being introduced to the sport.


Nice idea..my 2 cents...

My earliest memory is a soccer match on my home town stadium (Pitesti, neutral ground) between Universitatea Craiova and Dinamo Bucharest (Cup semifinal) in 1984, I remember I received a shiny bumper sticker with Dinamo's badge although I wasn't their supporter...I think it was 1984. Around the same time I watched first rugby match, Le Crunch, England - France and my grandpa explained me some rules.. 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles were also very good for Romania, I remember watching especially women gymnastics (Ecaterina Szabo, what a champion), athletics (Puica, Melinte), canoeing (Patzaichin)

Next football memory is Champions' Cup final, Barcelona - Steaua in 1986, I watched it on a black white TV and I still have the images in my mind of Duckadam stopping a penalty and Barbulescu (who died days ago) running to the Cup with his big Shrek type smile...

1991 was the first big memory about Oaks at RWC, I watched all the matches home with my grandpa :)

Romania's football team qualification to WC 1990 (after 12 years) I listened to a small portable radio at school, I skipped those 2 class hours...and before this in 1989 I skipped classes to see Steaua Bucuresti making it again in Champions Cup final (beating Galatasaray and PSV Eindhoven on the way). The WC for Romania was quite good with a win vs Soviet Union (I remember Dasaev's astonishment :D ) and a draw with Argentina with duel between Hagi and Maradona. I remember I had a tear when Ireland won at penalties.

1994 was probably the best WC for Romania, I was in high school, I watched the match with Colombia with parents, with Switzerland to a party where I was more busy making out with a chick who about to graduate (I was more of a freshmen, that was quite an performance :lol: ). From this WC I focused more on rugby and watched football less and less.

Posts: 6969
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 02:51
Location: São Paulo
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby victorsra » Sat, 14 Mar 2020, 18:16

I remember in 1994 and 1998 Romania was one of my favorito football teams.
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

Posts: 2758
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 09:18
Location: Bucharest
National Flag:
RomaniaRomania

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby amz » Sat, 14 Mar 2020, 20:40

victorsra wrote:I remember in 1994 and 1998 Romania was one of my favorito football teams.


heh, the whole country wish was to play versus Brazil which is a legend here in football, what a match that would have been after playing Argentina, the other big name from South America. even this day Prunea (the goalkeeper) is a subject of joke and sometimes bitterness for that lame charge to catch the ball before Kenneth Andersson. I still have some Paninini stickers from 1994 with Brazilian players (Taffarel, Jorginho, Romario, Alemao, Bebeto, Dunga, Leonardo). Was a lot of chat there that a Brazilian team plays so defensive minded.

Posts: 6969
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 02:51
Location: São Paulo
National Flag:
BrazilBrazil

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby victorsra » Sat, 14 Mar 2020, 20:48

amz wrote:
victorsra wrote:I remember in 1994 and 1998 Romania was one of my favorito football teams.


heh, the whole country wish was to play versus Brazil which is a legend here in football, what a match that would have been after playing Argentina, the other big name from South America. even this day Prunea (the goalkeeper) is a subject of joke and sometimes bitterness for that lame charge to catch the ball before Kenneth Andersson. I still have some Paninini stickers from 1994 with Brazilian players (Taffarel, Jorginho, Romario, Alemao, Bebeto, Dunga, Leonardo). Was a lot of chat there that a Brazilian team plays so defensive minded.


Romario's goal (a header!) against Sweden is one of the iconic moments of that WC. So hard that match... but yeah, Romania would have produced a big match in the semifinal. Răducioiu was on fire, Hagi was a genious...

For Brazilians, after the final, the most important match was the QF against Netherlands... what a classic. And Branco's goal... wow
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

Posts: 2758
Joined: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 09:18
Location: Bucharest
National Flag:
RomaniaRomania

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby amz » Sat, 14 Mar 2020, 20:56

victorsra wrote:For Brazilians, after the final, the most important match was the QF against Netherlands... what a classic. And Branco's goal... wow


Oh yes Branco, what a footballer. Him and Aldair are some of my all time favourite defenders... Aldair was simply steel with Brazilian finesse

Posts: 5777
Joined: Sat, 05 Jul 2014, 02:44
National Flag:
AustraliaAustralia

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 15 Mar 2020, 00:49

I'll start a new thread about this.

Posts: 781
Joined: Mon, 03 Jun 2019, 19:53
National Flag:
New ZealandNew Zealand

Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Unread postby Edgar » Wed, 18 Mar 2020, 20:56

Not sure how this turned into a thread about FIFA World Cup memories, but I saw every final live from 1982 til 2006. The expanded 82 tournament marked the first time New Zealand qualified and was covered extensively. Like everyone else I was much enamored with the dazzling Brazilians but nonetheless picked the Italians to beat them and win the final. Not sure why. Just a child's caprice. From that point on I became addicted to the event. I watched no other football at all - just the quadrennial world championship. But in 2010 I deliberately skipped the final and caught the ferry to the big island where no news could reach me. Why? Because I had picked Ghana to become the first African team to reach the semis (having perceived they might get a fairly easy route through the playoffs), and only the Hand of Suarez, followed by a typically diabolical exhibition of African penalty kicking, denied them! I watched many of the games in 2014 because I was on holiday in Zanzibar at the time and that was about the most interesting thing to do in the evenings. But once again I missed the final on principal. Only two years ago did my boycott end. I'd bought a new flat-screen TV just a few weeks before kick-off and all games were shown live. So that was my 8th final, and I picked France to win 4-1 :D (though Germany was my pre-tournament tip :oops: ).

Interestingly I have also seen 8 RWC finals because I missed the last one due to work. I could've taken the day off and watched it down at the Irish Bar easy enough, but somehow it just didn't bother me. I'm far more interested in the tier 3 tests between developing nations these days.

Meanwhile, seems the 2023 World Cup draw, absurdly scheduled for November this year, may now have to be postponed for reasons which require no explanation:

With global rugby in a state of inertia because of the Covid-19 pandemic, November’s draw for the 2023 World Cup may have to be postponed.

Now that rugby has been put on hold, teams will not have the opportunity to improve their rankings and their prospects for a better seeding at the draw.

A poor ranking at the time of the draw is likely to result in a “pool of death”.

The Springboks are top of the rankings, and a decision has yet to made on whether their incoming tour matches against Scotland and Georgia in July will be played.

If rugby gets the green light for resumption, the Boks will be in action against Georgia at the Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium on July 18.

Before that game the Boks are set to face Scotland in Cape Town on July 4 and in Durban on July 11.

The failure to finish the Six Nations tournament means a team like Wales are now sixth in the world rankings and uncertain of their future.

Wales’s summer tour to Japan and New Zealand, scheduled for June, is also in doubt after the game was shut down.

At present the draw for the 2023 Rugby World Cup will take place in November, and the rankings on November 22 will be used to determine the seedings.

Story continues here: https://www.heraldlive.co.za/sport/2020 ... ugby-draw/

PreviousNext

Return to Rugby Forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 17 guests