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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 09 Oct 2019, 13:40

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby jservuk » Wed, 09 Oct 2019, 14:38

thatrugbyguy wrote:Unconfirmed reports now saying Japan v Scotland and England v France are to be cancelled. :shock:


Japan would be confirmed as quarter finalists then. Great!!

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby sk 88 » Wed, 09 Oct 2019, 14:44

Cue more sly insinuations it was "fixed" for them though.

Looking at it there is half a chance it might still be fine.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby 4N » Wed, 09 Oct 2019, 15:27

Canalina wrote:
Return_of_BG_97 wrote:I'm a Mexican with Italian heritage so I feel obligated to root for the Italians as well :D

Is there here a forum member without a bit of italian blood in the veins? :geek:

To note that the currently most popular italian political party is against the immigrants, but our immigrants fulfilled the world (or at least they fulfilled the forums)


It’s probably the modern day equivalent of all of our great-great-great grandfathers sitting around the piazza complaining about the king. :lol:

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby BigG » Wed, 09 Oct 2019, 16:37

Thomas wrote:
thatrugbyguy wrote:word on twitter saying the France v England match has apparently been moved from Yokohama to Oita, likely with no crowd. I thought matches couldn't be moved. :?:


Typhoon warning according to the BBC:
The category five super typhoon, the most powerful in the region this year, is on course to hit the main island of Honshu on Saturday.


For me as a geographer "The Geography Matters", for the WR "Money Matters".

It was silly to organize WC in Japan in the part of the year.

Bellow follows a brief note from internet about meteorological conditions in Japan:
July to October is the time when typhoon season is observed in Japan. The months of August and September show the witness the most occurrence of this natural phenomenon. Going by the study of Japan Meteorological Agency for the past 30 years, nearly 25 typhoons happen and 11 approach every year.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby Canalina » Wed, 09 Oct 2019, 18:09

An article says that next monday is national holiday in Japan (Day of Sport and Wealth) and that they are considering it like the most probable date for the postponed matches

4N wrote:It’s probably the modern day equivalent of all of our great-great-great grandfathers sitting around the piazza complaining about the king. :lol:

The goofy and corrupt king William Ross, commonly known by the complaining people as WR :)

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby Canalina » Wed, 09 Oct 2019, 18:19

Spectators amount broke already yesterday the 1 million barrier (1,003,450), strange that the organizers haven't still celebrated it

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby Edgar » Wed, 09 Oct 2019, 21:13

Bogdan_DC wrote: I guess you are aware of the fact that British didn't even award caps vs Romania until 80s so of course they didn't mention Romania. We were big bad boys from a communist country so they don't really want any advertising for us.


This in common with all teams outside of the 5 Nations, Australia, NZ & SA. Fiji, for example, defeated the 1977 Lions, but this was not counted as an official test. Comparisons between Romania and Canada in the last decades of the amateur era are of course subjective due to the absence of official rankings, organized tournaments or (most surprisingly) head-to-head encounters between the two sides. They only met twice during the amateur era, both times at the World Cup, and on both occasions the North Americans prevailed.

Meanwhile, this World Cup is turning into a major disappointment for the second tier fans. Japan getting through to the quarters is about all that can save it now, but that is far from assured, and will hardly turn it into a success regardless. The gap remains as pronounced as it ever was. For the first and only time since 2003 we're staring down the barrel of quarterfinal lineup featuring the 8 foundation unions. The margins may be closing but on how many occasions were the first tier teams genuinely threatened by second tier opponents?

Meanwhile, a Russian bid for the 2027 tournament looks set to proceed, though it seems like the real target will be 2031:

"There is a decision to organize the Rugby World Cup in Russia in 2027," Druzhinin said. "The criteria will be announced following the Congress [of the World Rugby], which is scheduled for October 31."

"We will be preparing a bid, this is a very complicated process with all entailing consequences, and we will be ready to submit the bid in 2020 or 2021," he continued. "This issue has already been raised by me in the government, we have been granted an approval and need to coordinate this issue with the Russian Sports Ministry."

https://tass.com/sport/1082218


:shock: England vs France officially "off?" https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-un ... d-20546055

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby 4N » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 00:31

Latest on Japan vs Scotland:

It has been suggested Scotland's match with Japan could delayed by 24 hours, even though that would be against tournament rules.


https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/49995604

I think it should be played and the rule against postponements changed.

Cheering for Japan to advance of course.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 00:36

It seems almost certain the games in Yokohama are going to be called off. What a terrible way for the pool stage to end. It means Japan will win Pool A and qualify for the quarterfinals but it's a very unsatisfying way for them to do it. Not that they haven't played great rugby, but it would have been nice to see them outright win against Scotland. But I guess you could call it karma, 4 years ago they we given a horrible schedule by World Rugby and were unlucky to progress, this year luck was on their side. All is not lost for Scotland though if Samoa upset Ireland, so they're still in with a shot. But yeah, this isn't the way it should have happened.

On a related note, if the game was played a Scotland won it would have once again left Japan out of the quarterfinals despite having won 3 games. To me, this shows the flaw of the 5-Team groups. No team, in my opinion, should ever win 3 out of their 4 games and fail to qualify for the second round, and I'd say this for any nation not just because it's a T2 nation. It was all well and good so long as the T1 nations were a step above other teams, but now there's more competition from Japan and Fiji the likelihood of this happening more is going to increase.

Also on a related note. How the hell WR didn't have contingency plans in place for this type of situation is beyond me. I get that you can't predict when bad weather could affect the schedule, but you can prepare for it. They should have allotted room in the calendar to reschedule games. There are enough days in the tournament where there are no games being played to make adjustments. If that meant pushing all the Sunday matches to Monday in empty stadiums, and moving the first two quarterfinals from next Saturday to next Sunday so that all 4 matches were played on the same day then that should have been planned for. I get the that World Cup is usually played in climate conditions that are relatively stable but they should have been fully prepared for this possibility given the tournament is taking place in the middle of Typhoon season.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby Return_of_BG_97 » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 02:20

Like I said, this reminds of when the 07 Women's World Cup was played in the middle of a storm. Holy hell that made for some rainy games.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 03:10

France v England, New Zealand v Italy cancelled. Sundays games are wait and see. As unlikely as it would have been for Italy to win, the fact they won't even get the chance to cause an upset is saddening.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby Canadian_Rugger » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 04:54

Again,

This tournament has been a real snoozer. Scheduling, #of red cards handed out. The fact teams are being eliminated having not played a match and people seem to be ok with that? It's a joke.

I was in r/rugbyunion and people were like "Italy wouldn't beat the All Blacks anyways,doesn't matter they didn't play"

It makes a joke of the tournament and pool play. Why even bother?

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby dropkick » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 06:34

This is farcical. Big advantage for some teams going into the knockout stages having an extra week off.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby Thomas » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 06:50

The real victims is not the teams but all the fans that have travelled to Japan and spent thousands of dollars, How do you expect a fan on a budget to travel to a new location if the match is moved without any excess costs involved?

Will there be traveller assistance? Most likely not.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby Thomas » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 06:57

According to the Guardian and the BBC

England v France and NZ vs Italy has been cancelled, Scotland vs Japan yet to be decided.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... hoon-looms

BBC as well: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49995604

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby sk 88 » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 08:02

There goes any chance of a second Japan RWC, at least until major voting reform happens.

If Samoa take care of business against Ireland, I have a feeling the Scots would not be so mardy about a cancellation then ...

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby vino_93 » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 08:31

Canalina wrote:
vino_93 wrote:Nzl vs Can : 34411 (86%) - Oita
Fra vs Usa : 17660 (82%) - Fukuoka
Geo vs Fij : 21069 (88%) - Osaka
Irl vs Rus : 26856 (89%) - Kobe
Rsa vs Ita : 44148 (87%) - Shizuoka
Eng vs Arg : 48185 (96%) - Tokyo
Aus vs Uru : 33781 (84%) - Oita
Jap vs Sam : 39695 (88%) - Toyota
Fra vs Ton : 28477 (94%) - Kumamoto
Nzl vs Nam : 48354 (97%) - Tokyo

Where do you find the attendances, Vino? I wanted to see if today's game broke the 1 million total barrier but I can't find any official source about spectators' figures

English wikipedia (going to each pool page).
But you can find it on French website Le Figaro too : sport24.lefigaro.fr/rugby/coupe-du-monde/210/2019/calendrier-resultats (double click on the game)

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby vino_93 » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 08:33

vino_93 wrote:
vino_93 wrote:
vino_93 wrote:
vino_93 wrote:Official attendances (with filling ratio, according official capacity provided by World Rugby)

Jap vs Rus : 45 745 (92%) - Tokyo
Ire vs Sco : 63 731 (88%) - Yokohama
Nzl vs Rsa : 63 649 (88%) - Yokohama
Ita vs Nam : 20 354 (85%) - Higashiosaka
Fra vs Arg : 44 004 (88%) - Tokyo
Eng vs Ton : 35 923 (87%) - Sapporo
Aus vs Fij : 36 482 (88%) - Sapporo


Update :
Wal vs Geo : 35 546 (79%) - Toyota
Rus vs Sam : 22 564 (88%) - Kumagaya
Fij vs Uru : 14 025 (86%) - Kamaishi
Ita vs Can : 16 984 (79%) - Fukuoka
Eng vs USA : 27 194 (90%) - Kobe


New update for you Canalina :D

Arg vs Ton : 21971 (92%) - Osaka
Jap vs Irl : 47813 (94%) - Shizuoka
Rsa vs Nam : 36449 (81%) - Toyota
Geo vs Uru : 24895 (97%) - Kumagaya
Aus vs Wal : 47885 (96%) - Tokyo
Sco vs Sam : 27586 (92%) - Kobe


Nzl vs Can : 34411 (86%) - Oita
Fra vs Usa : 17660 (82%) - Fukuoka
Geo vs Fij : 21069 (88%) - Osaka
Irl vs Rus : 26856 (89%) - Kobe
Rsa vs Ita : 44148 (87%) - Shizuoka
Eng vs Arg : 48185 (96%) - Tokyo
Aus vs Uru : 33781 (84%) - Oita
Jap vs Sam : 39695 (88%) - Toyota
Fra vs Ton : 28477 (94%) - Kumamoto
Nzl vs Nam : 48354 (97%) - Tokyo


Rsa vs Can : 28014 (93%) - Kobe
Wal vs Fij : 33379 (83%) - Oita
Sco vs Rus : 44123 (87%) - Shizuoka
Arg vs Usa : 24377 (95%) - Kumagaya

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby novac » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 08:37

thatrugbyguy wrote:France v England, New Zealand v Italy cancelled. Sundays games are wait and see. As unlikely as it would have been for Italy to win, the fact they won't even get the chance to cause an upset is saddening.


With the 2 Points for each team New Zealand tops Group B followed by one point by South Africa. In Group C England remains ahead of France.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 08:50

Canadian_Rugger wrote:Again,

This tournament has been a real snoozer. Scheduling, #of red cards handed out. The fact teams are being eliminated having not played a match and people seem to be ok with that? It's a joke.

I was in r/rugbyunion and people were like "Italy wouldn't beat the All Blacks anyways, doesn't matter they didn't play"

It makes a joke of the tournament and pool play. Why even bother?


I don't see anybody being ok with a lot from this tournament. Many games have been good but there's been a consistent stream of complaints regarding scheduling, red cards, inconsistent referees, the TMO's consistent butting in when not needed, the commentary from the world feed (Yes, I'm talking you, Sean Maloney), and now the lack of contingency in place for this. I've heard nothing but complaints outside of everyone saying Japan has been a wonderful host. This tournament has done a lot of good, but the governing body is being run by clowns. And for those saying the All Blacks were bound to win, whilst true, it means they would have gone two weeks without a match, whilst Ireland will have another game under their belt. Some players would prefer to play than not in a tournament like this because your rhythm can be lost .
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 08:52

Thomas wrote:The real victims is not the teams but all the fans that have travelled to Japan and spent thousands of dollars, How do you expect a fan on a budget to travel to a new location if the match is moved without any excess costs involved?

Will there be traveller assistance? Most likely not.


Games would have to have been played in empty arenas. People will get refunds for the matches of course, but not hotels.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby BigG » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 08:59

looks Italy is going to have the best ever result - 12 points (2 wins + 1 draw).

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby Canalina » Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 09:11

thatrugbyguy wrote:
Canadian_Rugger wrote:Again,

This tournament has been a real snoozer. Scheduling, #of red cards handed out. The fact teams are being eliminated having not played a match and people seem to be ok with that? It's a joke.

I was in r/rugbyunion and people were like "Italy wouldn't beat the All Blacks anyways, doesn't matter they didn't play"

It makes a joke of the tournament and pool play. Why even bother?


I don't see anybody being ok with a lot from this tournament. Many games have been good but there's been a consistent stream of complaints regarding scheduling, red cards, inconsistent referees, the TMO's consistent butting in when not needed, the commentary from the world feed (Yes, I'm talking you, Sean Maloney), and now the lack of contingency in place for this. I've heard nothing but complaints outside of everyone saying Japan has been a wonderful host. This tournament has done a lot of good, but the governing body is being run by clowns. And for those saying the All Blacks were bound to win, whilst true, it means they would have gone two weeks without a match, whilst Ireland will have another game under their belt. Some players would prefer to play than not in a tournament like this because your rhythm can be lost .

There have been a lot of complaints because the favorite sport of the people, much more than soccer, rugby and american football (and a little more than sex), is complaining

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