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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 07:36

2 emergency venues would be ideal. They don't have to be massive facilities, a decent quality training field would be sufficient. If it means the games aren't televised and there's no crowd then that that's better then cancelling the matches. You can organise the teams to travel as long as there's 48-72 hours notice.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby ihateblazers » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 09:00

grande wrote:Just so y'all know, this isn't a regular typhoon. It's the strongest seen in 20 years, and 1400km across. A normal typhoon would affect a couple venues; this one is nearing down on at least five, possibly eight, depending on which way it heads.


Most people commenting have no idea of the severity of typhoons/hurricanes. The lasting effects are impossible to predict. Look at the impact hurricanes have on the south east of the US. Now consider that the whole of Japan barely covers the south Eastern American states. Maybe they could play the games in Korea or Singapore like the NFL moves game inland /s

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby amz » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 10:00

ihateblazers wrote:
grande wrote:Just so y'all know, this isn't a regular typhoon. It's the strongest seen in 20 years, and 1400km across. A normal typhoon would affect a couple venues; this one is nearing down on at least five, possibly eight, depending on which way it heads.


Most people commenting have no idea of the severity of typhoons/hurricanes. The lasting effects are impossible to predict. Look at the impact hurricanes have on the south east of the US. Now consider that the whole of Japan barely covers the south Eastern American states. Maybe they could play the games in Korea or Singapore like the NFL moves game inland /s


Nobody denies the weather issues and the intensity of the hurricanes. what everybody is crossed with is WR's amateurism and lack of contingency plans for such situations. I know the odds of such an intense typhoon were small but what the heck, you have to be prepared for the worst. I hope some class actions for tickets money and travel costs will be made by fans. The competition is distorted, there will always be a question mark over the winner of this World Cup. I guess they get what they deserved after the lack of any accountability for the mess with eligibility after 2018 REC.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 10:15

Conditions look awful for this match. Will probably level things. Anyway, I'm glad we finally get to play Georgia!

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby sk 88 » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 10:27

Hernan14 wrote:I know we aren't meteorologists, but I would like to know the WR criteria regarding which matches to suspend and which not, because observing the predictions (because they are only that, predictions) the conditions for tomorrow in Shizuoka near the end of the match between Australia and Georgia and in the hours after (this thinking about the safety of the fans) are much worse than the predictions indicated for Saturday at Toyota (AB's and Italy)

Similarly, in Fukuoka (Ireland v Samoa) the winds that are expected are much more dangerous than those expected for Toyota (seeing the forecasts, it will be windy there, but nothing that doesn't suffer in my city almost daily), although in Toyota the rains will be more heavy.

I excluded completely the match in Yokohama between France-England because all the forecasts are the worst there (both in the peligrosity of the wind and in the rain).

However I have the doubt, because I think the WR grabbed a map saw that Fukuoka was further from the main trail of the typhoon and..."ok, there the match can be played", and I reiterate, all wind forecasts indicate that they will be much more important in Fukuoka than in Toyota.

I hope it is understood, I don't discuss the suspension of the matches per se (we may or may not discourage whether they should reschedule or have planned a city change in advance to this situations), but really I don't understant the criteria that they used.


Very good post.

I would add that I don't understand why the venues that are hosting games cannot host one of the cancelled games too on the same day? There is plenty of time in the day to host two games, even if you wanted to clear the stadium after the first game and host a different crowd. I think in the circumstances broadcasters and fans would rather have two games on at the same time and have a choice of which to show/watch rather than a cancelled match!

World Rugby have been very opaque in this process, which is leading to more and more questions.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby sk 88 » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 10:30

Immenso wrote:On the subject of the possible 6 day turnaround between last pool match and quarterfinal.

That is the scheduled scenario for whoever progresses from the Japan v Scotland match. and it could have also been the same for Wales (however they will be playing their B team anyway this Sunday) if they hadn't finished second rather than first.

Here are the turnarounds for quarterfinalists:

Winner Pool A - (7 days if Japan or Scotland, 8 days if Ireland)
Runner up Pool A - (6 days if Japan or Scotland, 7 days if Ireland)
New Zealand 7 days (now 13 days)
South Africa - 12 days
England - 7 days (now 14 days)
Wales - 7 days
Australia 8 days
France 8 days (now 14 days)


I mean asking people to play on a Saturday after a Sunday game (6 days) is clearly very dangerous which is why you never ever see it every single week in professional rugby. :roll:

5 days is the same as Sunday to Friday which also happens to every team almost every season. These are not real excuses.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 10:32

Conditions suiting Georgia.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby sk 88 » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 10:38

ihateblazers wrote:
grande wrote:Just so y'all know, this isn't a regular typhoon. It's the strongest seen in 20 years, and 1400km across. A normal typhoon would affect a couple venues; this one is nearing down on at least five, possibly eight, depending on which way it heads.


Most people commenting have no idea of the severity of typhoons/hurricanes. The lasting effects are impossible to predict. Look at the impact hurricanes have on the south east of the US. Now consider that the whole of Japan barely covers the south Eastern American states. Maybe they could play the games in Korea or Singapore like the NFL moves game inland /s


Yes the typhoon is so terrible that the F1 grand prix is ........ entirely unaffected.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby Amargo » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 10:54

sk 88 wrote:
Yes the typhoon is so terrible that the F1 grand prix is ........ entirely unaffected.


https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/50009871

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby Grayday88 » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 11:04

We’ve said a lot about the games being cancelled but regardless of what you think about World Rugby’s decisions surely our first thoughts should be with the Japanese people who will lose their livelihoods, homes and sadly if predictions are to be believed lives. As much as I love rugby other things are more important

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 11:05

Considering last time Japanese GP was affected by a typhoon a driver died, I wouldn't take F1 as an example of anything.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 11:06

10-3 Australia at Halftime. Tough conditions. Good Georgian defence.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby NedRugby » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 11:09

HT Aus 10-3 Geo

Better performance by Georgia. Good defence but they haven't shown any incisiveness in attack.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 11:13

128 tackles in that first half from Georgia. :shock:

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby jservuk » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 11:34

Armchair Fan wrote:Considering last time Japanese GP was affected by a typhoon a driver died, I wouldn't take F1 as an example of anything.


I haven't checked but if you're referring the one in the 1980s, let's just say that times were very different then, and the emphasis on safety in F1 is very different since Senna/Ratzenberg deaths..

Mention of F1 is however apposite in this current typhoon debate. For as long as I can remember, F1 Japanese GP has been at this time of year, and they've largely avoided weather dangerous problems. On that basis perhaps we can forgive WR for thinking their chances of avoiding this were good as well.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby rey200 » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 11:42

it's really a thing to think about in the future. They have to adjust, that's my opinion.

Georgian lineout and mauls cost them. It's close but they really struggle to make meters in attack
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 11:45

The Wallabies are one dumb play away from gifting Georgia a try.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby NedRugby » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 11:49

55 minutes gone. Still 10-3. Nasty looking injury to the Georgian scrum half. Carried off in neck brace after clash of heads with his team mate.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 11:50

Attack needs to be the thing Georgia work on. Their defence tonight has been T1 level.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby NedRugby » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 11:54

Tim Visser, the most famous Dutch rugby player, is one of the commentators on Dutch television. He is repeating the mantra that Georgia is not worthy of a place in the six nations.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 12:01

Game on. :shock:

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby NedRugby » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 12:04

Try Aus . Followed by try Geo (unconverted). 9 points difference, 9 minutes to go.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 12:06

Left it too little too late. If their lineout and maul worked there's a good chance they would have been in with a real chance.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 12:12

27-8 Final score. To be honest, despite not having much in attack, Georgia should be proud of that defensive effort. They've had only 20% possession the whole game. Any other T2 nations would have leak 50-60 points even in these wet conditions. Great effort guys, plenty to work on, but a lot to be proud of.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2019

Postby rey200 » Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 12:16

NedRugby wrote:Tim Visser, the most famous Dutch rugby player, is one of the commentators on Dutch television. He is repeating the mantra that Georgia is not worthy of a place in the six nations.


yeah, because this game clearly states that they can't compete... conditions may have helped Georgia, but I'm not convinced. Australia had the far superior ball handling, most knock ons didn't come from easy lost balls, au contraire on the Georgian side... yes, there is a gap. Will it close? Maybe not. Let's not pretend that regular games against better teams will do magic. But I strongly believe that providing chances might help in the long run. Not playing is stupid.
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