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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby Return_of_BG_97 » Sat, 12 Oct 2019, 16:05

Oh wow, imagine Latin football teams investing in rugby.

Chivas de Guadalajara Rugby in 10 years :D nah that club is too damn broke

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby ficcp » Sat, 12 Oct 2019, 17:09

No news of the franchise expected to operate in Chile. So far not any Rugby or Football club has anounced its participation in the League. A lot of consults and research but not any confirmed investor to finance the effort. My guess is that the League will have an experimental period in 2020 to really start with 6 or 8 teams in 2021.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Sat, 12 Oct 2019, 18:28

thatrugbyguy wrote:As in the football club?


The football club, as football clubs in Latin America are usually multi-sports clubs...
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Sat, 12 Oct 2019, 18:30

Return_of_BG_97 wrote:Oh wow, imagine Latin football teams investing in rugby.

Chivas de Guadalajara Rugby in 10 years :D nah that club is too damn broke

I think it is a really bad idea. All rugby people that aren't Corinthians supporters won't show up to watch it in the stadium and I doubt it will bring non-rugby supporters to the field - and if it brings them, it will be ultras menacing the atmosphere of the match.

Or do you think rugby people that are Atlas, America, Cruz Azul supporters would love to cheer for Chivas?

This together with CBRu's prestige among rugby community, that is in extremely low levels now. At leeast CBRu changed now its CEO and there is a good chance it changes its image. Without Danza perceptions might change. But anyway they are searching for football clubs because it looks nice in marketing presentations.
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby Return_of_BG_97 » Sat, 12 Oct 2019, 19:01

victorsra wrote:
Return_of_BG_97 wrote:Oh wow, imagine Latin football teams investing in rugby.

Chivas de Guadalajara Rugby in 10 years :D nah that club is too damn broke

I think it is a really bad idea. All rugby people that aren't Corinthians supporters won't show up to watch it in the stadium and I doubt it will bring non-rugby supporters to the field - and if it brings them, it will be ultras menacing the atmosphere of the match.

Or do you think rugby people that are Atlas, America, Cruz Azul supporters would love to cheer for Chivas?

This together with CBRu's prestige among rugby community, that is in extremely low levels now. At leeast CBRu changed now its CEO and there is a good chance it changes its image. Without Danza perceptions might change. But anyway they are searching for football clubs because it looks nice in marketing presentations.


I think you took my comment at face value, I was mostly being ironic.

Hell no, fans of those teams would not cheer for Chivas, Mexico is pretty regionalist as it is (though I do remember cheering on other Mexican teams in Libertadores, good times while it lasted). I think most Mexican clubs would probably not invest money in a rugby union team (except maybe América because they are owned by Televisa). Some new identity which "represents" all of Mexico might work better, but at the end of the day the curiosity of rugby will be the main driving factor. Things like this would be a long term investment, and keeping people engaged. (This is vaguely related to the proposal of a Mexican team joining this league down the line, which I heard a year ago but must have been scrapped). I think selling the idea of "Mexico vs the rest of Latin America" may work, but come on some Mexican franchise would need to be back-loaded with foreigners to help the team, and that would be counterproductive.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Sat, 12 Oct 2019, 23:38

sorry :lol:

Yeah, I am afraid of bad choices being made now...
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Sat, 12 Oct 2019, 23:47

Uruguay is the only country where football giants are a good option because 90% of the country is Nacional or Peñarol.

But a city like São Paulo, divided by 3 big clubs (Corinthians, Palmeiras and São Paulo + Santos supporters) is definitly a call for divide. They won't impact half of rugby's already existing community...
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 13 Oct 2019, 04:39

Return_of_BG_97 wrote:Oh wow, imagine Latin football teams investing in rugby.

Chivas de Guadalajara Rugby in 10 years :D nah that club is too damn broke


Xolos are taking serious looks at MLR. They're currently working with SD Legion to establish youth clubs in Tijuana.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sun, 13 Oct 2019, 05:08

TheStroBro wrote:
Return_of_BG_97 wrote:Oh wow, imagine Latin football teams investing in rugby.

Chivas de Guadalajara Rugby in 10 years :D nah that club is too damn broke


Xolos are taking serious looks at MLR. They're currently working with SD Legion to establish youth clubs in Tijuana.


Very interesting to read. Was wondering if they were still interested. Would be good to see both the Legion and SabreCats look to play the Mexican national team in some kind of preseason tri-series on a yearly basis to 1) test the waters and 2) prepare any future Mexican franchise for entry.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Sun, 13 Oct 2019, 08:39

There is an important different. Tijuana has just one football club - that is not one with long time tradition in Mexican football.

The problem about football clubs is in cities split in 2 or more clubs with fierce rivalry. In Mexico the cities with more than one big football club are Mexico City (America, Pumas, Cruz Azul), Guadalajara (Chiva, Atlas) and Monterrey (Monterrey, Tigres). In Brazil and Argentina, for exemple, all of the big cities have more than one club - some have 3 or even more.
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby Return_of_BG_97 » Sun, 13 Oct 2019, 09:09

victorsra wrote:There is an important different. Tijuana has just one football club - that is not one with long time tradition in Mexican football.

The problem about football clubs is in cities split in 2 or more clubs with fierce rivalry. In Mexico the cities with more than one big football club are Mexico City (America, Pumas, Cruz Azul), Guadalajara (Chiva, Atlas) and Monterrey (Monterrey, Tigres). In Brazil and Argentina, for exemple, all of the big cities have more than one club - some have 3 or even more.


Tijuana are definitely an oddity, funny enough they have a large fan-base in San Diego, but even some of these fans are Anglos(!), they represent not just Tijuana but also San Diego who have no MLS team.

Mexican teams in MLR would make more sense from a traveling standpoint; flying from Mexico City to Chicago is a lot less of a hassle than to Sao Paulo or Buenos Aires.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Wed, 23 Oct 2019, 19:35

Rumours here about SLAR: Brazil won't have two teams. We are struggling to be able to field one. CBRu broken. Wait for more news.
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby Working Class Rugger » Thu, 24 Oct 2019, 05:20

victorsra wrote:Rumours here about SLAR: Brazil won't have two teams. We are struggling to be able to field one. CBRu broken. Wait for more news.


Could be a blessing in disguise. Better for them to be competitive with one team than not with two. In fact. An argument could be made that the best way to have launched this was with each of the teams outside of Argentina having the one with Arg having as many as 3.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby carbonero » Thu, 24 Oct 2019, 23:23

“Jaguares XV” based in Córdoba > https://twitter.com/UgeAstesiano/status ... 7746075653

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby Working Class Rugger » Thu, 24 Oct 2019, 23:28

carbonero wrote:“Jaguares XV” based in Córdoba > https://twitter.com/UgeAstesiano/status ... 7746075653


So a Jaguars reserve side.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby carbonero » Thu, 24 Oct 2019, 23:39

I guess. The name is probably a stopgap until the UAR adds another franchise. What did you expected?

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 25 Oct 2019, 06:13

carbonero wrote:I guess. The name is probably a stopgap until the UAR adds another franchise. What did you expected?


Thought they may have gone with more provincial based squad.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby carbonero » Fri, 25 Oct 2019, 07:51

That was never going to happen. If the UAR limit themselves to provincial sides, only a fraction of their most promising players will be part of this experience.

Also, the provinces won’t lend their brands for the league. A common suggestion in the forum is to put a franchise in Tucuman, call it “Los Naranjas” and poach players from other northern provinces. However, salteños or santiagueños don’t want to play for Tucuman. And tucumanos don’t want them there either.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby NaBUru38 » Fri, 25 Oct 2019, 13:59

So one team in Argentina, one in Brazil, two in Uruguay. Are there any news from Chile and Paraguay?

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby ficcp » Fri, 25 Oct 2019, 16:37

Forget Chile for a while. It is obvious that there are too many problems to solve before to think in professional Rugby. Maybe in 2, 3 years or more time.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby carbonero » Fri, 25 Oct 2019, 18:51

Chile and Paraguay are on. They are already signing foreign players > https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/la ... 9101815059

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby ficcp » Tue, 29 Oct 2019, 17:44

It would be interesting to know who is signing players in Chile. If there is not any franchise formed yet, how can possibly be any entity signing players? I would like to get that info from Mr. Piñeyrua...In Chile is not possible to hire employees if the contractor does not have legal existence.

After the recent social unrest, the economic and politics priorities have changed. The local and foreign Investment will shrink in the short and medium term. It is very optimistic to assume that a potential investor in a new Rugby project will continue interested in accordance to previous investing plans and programs.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby ficcp » Tue, 29 Oct 2019, 17:57

In my opinion, the information provided by the president of Sudamerica Rugby should be more accurate and responsible. I understand his desire to establish a professional league, but to create non-real news will be harmful in the long term for the whole project.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Tue, 29 Oct 2019, 18:09

It all comes from Piñeyrua, right? That's always the same. He still believes Brazil wil field 2 teams and won't.
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby carbonero » Tue, 29 Oct 2019, 18:17

The unions are hiring the players. They control the sporting side of the franchise. Chile is also willing to participate without private investors > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gy6iDPkc1g

Also, I don’t want to downplay the social unrest in Chile, but even if there is an economic downturn in the short term, you are significantly in better shape than the rest of the countries involved. That can't be an excuse.

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