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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 13:14

Brazil has zero. With luck 1.
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 14:00

carbonero wrote:Tucuman wants to revive the provincial tournament in March/April of 2020. Why don’t they join forces with SLAR just for next year to make the season more compelling? The league can go from February 15 to April 11. Seven rounds, semifinal and final. Teams:

1. Olimpia - Asunción
2. Peñarol - Montevideo
3. Tupis XV - Sao Paulo
4. Cóndores XV - Santiago
5. Naranjas - Tucumán
6. Dogos - Córdoba
7. Ñandúes - Rosario
8. Jaguares XV - itinerant team based in Buenos Aires that plays in nearby cities like La Plata, Junin, San Nicolás, Mar del Plata, Pinamar, Bahia Blanca, Tandil, Pergamino, etc.

The UAR plans to hire around 35 professionals for SLAR/Arg. XV. They should be dispersed in the four local teams. Still mostly amateurs sides but sprinkled with some professionals. In a perfect world, Rosario would take players from Entre Ríos, Tucumán from Santiago del Estero and so on. If the provincial unions play hardball, assign the remaining players to Jaguares XV or send them to foreign franchises.

A semi-pro league is much more reasonable to start indeed and if there's interest from more than one Argentine city it starts to become a better project. You can't rely the league on the other countries, that's what we've learnt.

But what's the source?
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby ficcp » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 17:58

So far, there is not conclusive information. We must wait until November 29th for the official disclosure. Unofficial informations have been contradictory, so let´s wait a couple of weeks.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 18:27

ficcp wrote:So far, there is not conclusive information. We must wait until November 29th for the official disclosure. Unofficial informations have been contradictory, so let´s wait a couple of weeks.

I meant souce for the Argentina provinces project.
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Re: South American League (LAR)

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sat, 16 Nov 2019, 02:22

carbonero wrote:Tucuman wants to revive the provincial tournament in March/April of 2020. Why don’t they join forces with SLAR just for next year to make the season more compelling? The league can go from February 15 to April 11. Seven rounds, semifinal and final. Teams:

1. Olimpia - Asunción
2. Peñarol - Montevideo
3. Tupis XV - Sao Paulo
4. Cóndores XV - Santiago
5. Naranjas - Tucumán
6. Dogos - Córdoba
7. Ñandúes - Rosario
8. Jaguares XV - itinerant team based in Buenos Aires that plays in nearby cities like La Plata, Junin, San Nicolás, Mar del Plata, Pinamar, Bahia Blanca, Tandil, Pergamino, etc.

The UAR plans to hire around 35 professionals for SLAR/Arg. XV. They should be dispersed in the four local teams. Still mostly amateurs sides but sprinkled with some professionals. In a perfect world, Rosario would take players from Entre Ríos, Tucumán from Santiago del Estero and so on. If the provincial unions play hardball, assign the remaining players to Jaguares XV or send them to foreign franchises.


This would actually be the perfect format for a semi-pro/pro league in Sth America in my opinion. Argentina being the dominant nation should have always formed the based with the respective other nations entering one team a piece to start. Ideally running longer than just 7 weeks though. Double round robin over 14 would be my personal choice.

Start small and look to build the overall level of professionalism as things progress. Chase exposure and sponsorship. Treat like an actual business. In time if the likes of say Uruguay are presenting teams arguably too strong for the competition then they could add a 2nd team and so on.

I would even support WR providing direct funding especially for this purpose. This would help drive the overall quality of these nations. Similar for something likes this in Europe.
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby carbonero » Sat, 16 Nov 2019, 03:27

I said nine weeks which is probably too much. You are already fucking with club season.

Also, the provincial unions will never commit to professionalism. If the big clubs miss around five players each in the first semester, they would kill the project in a heartbeat.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 18 Nov 2019, 15:33

Currently there is no clear path for a 19 year old Argentine from a Salta club to become a professional.

Having a province team tournament or the Súper Liga would be very helpful.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Mon, 18 Nov 2019, 18:11

Corinthians is back do negociations table as a sole Brazilian franchise. Not confirmed but they are resuming the talks.
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 20 Nov 2019, 21:20

Two SLAR games every Friday from February 28th until May. Five franchises:
https://hablemosderugby.com/2019/11/20/ ... la-muerte/

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 21 Nov 2019, 17:56

Seems a month too late. It would clash with the South American Championship.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Thu, 21 Nov 2019, 18:17

Armchair Fan wrote:Two SLAR games every Friday from February 28th until May. Five franchises:
https://hablemosderugby.com/2019/11/20/ ... la-muerte/

Friday matches is smart. Doesn't clash with club rugby. Much better.
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Thu, 21 Nov 2019, 18:59

NaBUru38 wrote:Seems a month too late. It would clash with the South American Championship.


South American Championship probably won't be in May anymore as the tests were moved from June to July. Besides the talks are if is kept in the calendar it will be a development competition (but they promised this before...)
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 22 Nov 2019, 00:09

Armchair Fan wrote:Two SLAR games every Friday from February 28th until May. Five franchises:
https://hablemosderugby.com/2019/11/20/ ... la-muerte/


BTW, this guy misleads how was the planning of SLAR. It was a total caos, not something careful like he suggests.
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby carbonero » Fri, 22 Nov 2019, 00:30

He clearly changed his tune after Piñeyrúa started feeding him info but I don't think he is suggesting anything in that piece.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby Tobar » Sat, 23 Nov 2019, 20:13

Apparently Arata is forgoing his last season with Houston and staying in Uruguay.

https://twitter.com/ignaciochans/status ... 13216?s=21

The Brazilian team is also supposedly called As Cobras. It’s a cool name but as an English speaker I can’t help but see Ass Cobras so that is already my favorite team name ever.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Sun, 24 Nov 2019, 00:29

Cobras won't happen and in Portiguese it sounds silly, it would become a joke here. This name was only part of a study, never official.

They are negociating with Corinthians to be the only team. It was frozen but now moving forward.
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby carbonero » Sun, 24 Nov 2019, 19:19

The Córdoba franchise will be called Los Ceibos > https://twitter.com/CORDOBAXV/status/11 ... 5079971840

It is our national flower. Pumas 7s used to have a kit inspired on it >
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Sun, 24 Nov 2019, 23:01

Rodolfo Ambrosio isn't Brazil's coach anymore. Maybe he's set to return do Córdoba (his home city)? Maybe with Los Ceibos?
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby argie » Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 01:51

victorsra wrote:Rodolfo Ambrosio isn't Brazil's coach anymore. Maybe he's set to return do Córdoba (his home city)? Maybe with Los Ceibos?


It will be great. He gained a lot of international experience with the Tupis and would be a magnificient coach for Los Ceibos. He has my support.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby Blurandski » Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 02:56

Colombia reportedly are going to have a team in 2020.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby carbonero » Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 03:23

Wow. Nobody saw that coming.

This is a pleasant surprise. A five team league would have been a bummer.

victorsra wrote:Rodolfo Ambrosio isn't Brazil's coach anymore. Maybe he's set to return do Córdoba (his home city)? Maybe with Los Ceibos?

The staff of Arg. XV is supposed to run the franchise.

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby victorsra » Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 03:26

Blurandski wrote:Colombia reportedly are going to have a team in 2020.


Source?

When it is about SLAR you can't trust anything without a real source.
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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby Tobar » Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 03:45

I would also be interested in seeing this source. Or just anywhere that you’re getting this from as I doubt they can afford it.

Peñarol announced as the Uruguayan side

https://twitter.com/CAP__Rugby

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Re: South American League (LAR)

Postby carbonero » Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 04:01

The source is Chans. The team will be called Cafeteros Pro.

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