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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Mon, 27 Jan 2020, 15:12

Nothing.

Brazil still with no news. Chile hasn't anounced the squad yet. The others are booming.
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Mon, 27 Jan 2020, 21:09

TheStroBro wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
victorsra wrote:Long term plan only exists if it touches other crucial areas for development, thinking about the future. It isn't a long term plan for Brazil, it is exactly the opposite: short-term plan.

It might be long term for Uruguay and Argentina. Not sure about Paraguay and Chile.


I tend to agree with Tobar here. This year is about getting something on the pitch. Next year is about doing it again. Third year is about sorting out where everything sits long term there absolutely should be some kind of long term talent development set in place. Notably at the U20s/U18s and ideally 16s level. But that's probably more a year 5-10.


MLR was a bit different. These are extremely poor Unions trying to fund professional teams, you could say it could lead to investment...but will it?


If the $1 million backing for these teams is correct then that is hardly “extremely poor unions.” But idk what the relevance is here other than a dig at the fact that the unions are involved.

To add to what WCRugger is saying, I think there are very few things that new fans will remember from the first year of the league. One of the most important that I can think of is blowouts - fans would get turned off if they think every game is going to be 62-10 and may even just think that’s a normal rugby score. I doubt they will remember whether or not the players are Paraguayan or Brazilian as there will likely be many changes in the following year.

After the first season, you would hope that the teams become more involved with local talent. Even if they don’t sign them, the teams can at least practice with them or organize friendlies against them. They can also include u20 players as part of their practice squad until they are able to create their own academy systems. Since there is heavy union involvement I would be surprised if they didn’t have some sort of integrated plan with the domestic players.

And as for Victor’s comments on Brazil, well, that is concerning as they seem to be taking a very short term approach to this. One can hope that the sport becomes popular so more clubs can form and young players don’t have to travel 800km to a game.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Mon, 27 Jan 2020, 21:52

Thats what CBRu leaders say: if we qualify to the RWC, rugby will boom in Brazil. So, whatever our clubs are in bad shape and we barely have junior rugby.

But do you believe that things work that way? Brazil is successful in team sports. 5 times world champions in men's soccer, 2 times world champions in men's basketball (long time ago, ok), 1 time Olympic silver medalist in women's basketball, 3 times world champions and 3 times Olympic gold medalist in men's volleyball, 2 times Olympic gold medalist in women's volleyball and 1 time world champions in women's handball (and, well, how is our handball now? pretty poor).

Rugby won't boom here because the Tupis played and lost all matches in a RWC... we are not talking about a country that a participation in a world championship in any sport is a big thing. It means nothing for the general public. We'll only boom from a RWC participation if our rugby has reasonably solid foundations, which it hasn't now.
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby TheStroBro » Mon, 27 Jan 2020, 22:24

Tobar wrote:
If the $1 million backing for these teams is correct then that is hardly “extremely poor unions.” But idk what the relevance is here other than a dig at the fact that the unions are involved.

To add to what WCRugger is saying, I think there are very few things that new fans will remember from the first year of the league. One of the most important that I can think of is blowouts - fans would get turned off if they think every game is going to be 62-10 and may even just think that’s a normal rugby score. I doubt they will remember whether or not the players are Paraguayan or Brazilian as there will likely be many changes in the following year.

After the first season, you would hope that the teams become more involved with local talent. Even if they don’t sign them, the teams can at least practice with them or organize friendlies against them. They can also include u20 players as part of their practice squad until they are able to create their own academy systems. Since there is heavy union involvement I would be surprised if they didn’t have some sort of integrated plan with the domestic players.

And as for Victor’s comments on Brazil, well, that is concerning as they seem to be taking a very short term approach to this. One can hope that the sport becomes popular so more clubs can form and young players don’t have to travel 800km to a game.


There may be $1M for the team in Argentina from a private owner, the only private owner in the competition. The rest of the teams are Union held and they're investing their HP grants in the project which will make it pretty rough on them if this goes south, think about RIM and what that did to USAR. The travel for these teams will be rough which costs money.

We'll see.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby carbonero » Mon, 27 Jan 2020, 22:50

Olimpia, Peñarol and Ceibos have private investors. They will be in charge of payroll during the first five months of the year. The HP grants will then be used to keep the local players signed through the second semester.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby NaBUru38 » Tue, 28 Jan 2020, 00:21

carbonero wrote:Flash revealed kits > Image

El Clon is a low end shop chain owned by one of the Peñarol Rugby franchise owners. Certainly not the typical rugby club sponsor.

NGE is a French public infrastructure company that is part of the UPM 2 Central Railway project. So it's an international sponsor, and also related to railways as the origins of the Peñarol club.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby NaBUru38 » Tue, 28 Jan 2020, 00:23

victorsra wrote:It might be long term for Uruguay and Argentina. Not sure about Paraguay and Chile.

Pablo Lemoine said that Chilean rugby was strongly amateur, so they couldn't develop.

Having a professional team will be a major change for them, even more then for Uruguayan rugby.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Tue, 28 Jan 2020, 01:43

carbonero wrote:Olimpia, Peñarol and Ceibos have private investors. They will be in charge of payroll during the first five months of the year. The HP grants will then be used to keep the local players signed through the second semester.


$1 million US was announced as the backing for both Ceibos and Peñarol

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Blurandski » Tue, 28 Jan 2020, 03:33

NaBUru38 wrote:
victorsra wrote:It might be long term for Uruguay and Argentina. Not sure about Paraguay and Chile.

Pablo Lemoine said that Chilean rugby was strongly amateur, so they couldn't develop.

Having a professional team will be a major change for them, even more then for Uruguayan rugby.


Amateurism is a cancer on the sport. Hopefully SLAR is the chemotherapy.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Tue, 28 Jan 2020, 04:03

Blurandski wrote:
NaBUru38 wrote:
victorsra wrote:It might be long term for Uruguay and Argentina. Not sure about Paraguay and Chile.

Pablo Lemoine said that Chilean rugby was strongly amateur, so they couldn't develop.

Having a professional team will be a major change for them, even more then for Uruguayan rugby.


Amateurism is a cancer on the sport. Hopefully SLAR is the chemotherapy.


Amateurism by option maybe. Most countries simoly dont have market for professionalism.
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby carbonero » Tue, 28 Jan 2020, 04:27

Olimpia announced that they will host SLAR matches in their football stadium “Para Uno”. I guess the renovations in the national stadium won´t be ready for March. Football fans whining about the pitch in 3,2,1…

They are also looking to play Salta in late February > https://rugbydesalta.blogspot.com/2020/ ... stoso.html

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Pichulonko » Tue, 28 Jan 2020, 04:43

NaBUru38 wrote:Pablo Lemoine said that Chilean rugby was strongly amateur, so they couldn't develop.

Having a professional team will be a major change for them, even more then for Uruguayan rugby.

When did Lemoine say that about Chile? As a matter of fact he has said the complete opposite, mainly that with the new focus on high performance along with the introduction of professional rugby, Chile is to grow leaps and bounds in a very short period of time.

http://farodeportivo.cl/pablo-lemoine-p ... un-tiempo/

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Tue, 28 Jan 2020, 12:11

Pichulonko wrote:
NaBUru38 wrote:Pablo Lemoine said that Chilean rugby was strongly amateur, so they couldn't develop.

Having a professional team will be a major change for them, even more then for Uruguayan rugby.

When did Lemoine say that about Chile? As a matter of fact he has said the complete opposite, mainly that with the new focus on high performance along with the introduction of professional rugby, Chile is to grow leaps and bounds in a very short period of time.

http://farodeportivo.cl/pablo-lemoine-p ... un-tiempo/


I think he’s thinking of when Daniel Hourcade said that Chile was too amateur

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Tue, 28 Jan 2020, 12:17

carbonero wrote:Olimpia announced that they will host SLAR matches in their football stadium “Para Uno”. I guess the renovations in the national stadium won´t be ready for March. Football fans whining about the pitch in 3,2,1…

They are also looking to play Salta in late February > https://rugbydesalta.blogspot.com/2020/ ... stoso.html


Read the tweet...already happening.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Pichulonko » Tue, 28 Jan 2020, 16:16

Tobar wrote:
Pichulonko wrote:
NaBUru38 wrote:Pablo Lemoine said that Chilean rugby was strongly amateur, so they couldn't develop.

Having a professional team will be a major change for them, even more then for Uruguayan rugby.

When did Lemoine say that about Chile? As a matter of fact he has said the complete opposite, mainly that with the new focus on high performance along with the introduction of professional rugby, Chile is to grow leaps and bounds in a very short period of time.

http://farodeportivo.cl/pablo-lemoine-p ... un-tiempo/


I think he’s thinking of when Daniel Hourcade said that Chile was too amateur


It's important to remember the context of the Hourcade interview. He was in Colombia, place where he was getting paid to help develop their high performance program. All he had to do was praise the great Colombian attitude towards professional rugby yet he couldnt help himself bring Chile down with his unnecessary biased comments.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 01:12

What was biased about his comment? He was being paid by Sudamérica Rugby to be in Colombia. You act like he was being paid directly by Colombians.

This was also after a multi-country tour to see the HP setups of different countries so it was not completely random.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby TuMachNach » Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 03:07

Pichulonko wrote:
Tobar wrote:
Pichulonko wrote:
NaBUru38 wrote:Pablo Lemoine said that Chilean rugby was strongly amateur, so they couldn't develop.

Having a professional team will be a major change for them, even more then for Uruguayan rugby.

When did Lemoine say that about Chile? As a matter of fact he has said the complete opposite, mainly that with the new focus on high performance along with the introduction of professional rugby, Chile is to grow leaps and bounds in a very short period of time.

http://farodeportivo.cl/pablo-lemoine-p ... un-tiempo/


I think he’s thinking of when Daniel Hourcade said that Chile was too amateur


It's important to remember the context of the Hourcade interview. He was in Colombia, place where he was getting paid to help develop their high performance program. All he had to do was praise the great Colombian attitude towards professional rugby yet he couldnt help himself bring Chile down with his unnecessary biased comments.


All I can add here is that Daniel Hourcade didn't seem biased when he commented that. Another thing is the way that his words sounds to many people... some people could find their words really rude but that's because of the way he expresses himself with a big addition of his accent. It is not surprise that some people in Argentina perceive Tucumán's accent as a rude one. So, I can imagine how this could sound for somebody outside Argentina who's not familiar with it. I understand if you replicate that he is on an important place in SAR and should care about what he says and how he says them but that line of thought could guide us to a nonsense discussion.

Well, I came here to share the last news of SAR and URT about players in Olimpia. According to this news, SAR and UAR came to a conclusion on their negotiations and all players who have signed for any franchise of SLAR will play this year. There's no information about how they came to this solution.

https://www.eltucumano.com/amp/noticia/ ... ssion=true

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 14:31

Yesterday a meeting of the Brazilian Rugby Union Council approved the franchise operation. They have a budget now (don't know how much), looks like (coming from people from the Council). Corinthians won't put money (they'll only give the name). Now we can expect news about stadium and squad, social media (I hope).
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Pichulonko » Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 14:47

Daniel Hourcade said that while Colombians would approach him for advice and to learn about the game Chile Rugby would only try to reach him to ask for more money from SAR and nothing else. This has nothing to do about his "tucumano" accent and everything to do with arrogance and wanting to suck-up to the people in Colombia.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 17:54

Pichulonko wrote:Daniel Hourcade said that while Colombians would approach him for advice and to learn about the game Chile Rugby would only try to reach him to ask for more money from SAR and nothing else. This has nothing to do about his "tucumano" accent and everything to do with arrogance and wanting to suck-up to the people in Colombia.


What is there to suck up to? What do the Colombians offer to Hourcade that Chileans don’t? And how is he biased, are you just saying that any negative opinion towards Chile makes him biased? If what you say above is true then it sounds like Colombians see the relationship as a way to learn and develop, something they haven’t had any of before given their short history and distance from the other countries. And Chile may be more established so they hope for financial support.

You just sound upset that he said something negative about Chile and positive about Colombia. It sounds like you’re the one with bias here.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby TuMachNach » Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 18:30

Pichulonko wrote:Daniel Hourcade said that while Colombians would approach him for advice and to learn about the game Chile Rugby would only try to reach him to ask for more money from SAR and nothing else. This has nothing to do about his "tucumano" accent and everything to do with arrogance and wanting to suck-up to the people in Colombia.


I found the interview of Daniel Hourcade. It was made for a podcast named "XV Rugby Podcast" in their first episode by Pato Albacete (an argentinean rugby journalist). In minute 09:34 he said literally:

"Vas a Chile, a Paraguay, a... todos te piden plata"

He said that all national unions ask SAR for money. Only Colombia seems to be the one which asks for advice in rugby development and nothing about money.

To understand the context, you must listen since the beginning of the interview till minute 09:34. He was saying that Colombia is doing things really good and he bet that they could reach a level above almost all (no Argentina) other SAR countries in 10 years. He explained how good their work is and the differences between them and other countries... so here came those words to all other countries in SAR and not only Chile. Once more, here is the external context: an interview in Argertina made by an argentinean journalist (I found it a really neutral environment).

P.S.: Here is the interview

http://www.ivoox.com/31127843

However you can find it in Spotify and many apps/pages, so there's no way you could not listen those words and understand the context.
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 18:57

People in Brazil that visited Colombia said this to me: we are screwed, they are doing things the right way and we aren't.
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Pichulonko » Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 20:07

Whatever. I'm not worried about Hourcade praising Colombia, after all their development is his meal ticket. What I criticize him for is that because of the position he holds within SAR he should watch what he says publicly about other unions. For instance Agustín Pichot would never be quoted saying something like that. He has much better judgement.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby argie » Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 20:51

This is the article we are talking about, with the interview of Ignacio Chans to Daniel Hourcade:
https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/da ... 0194171348

Hourcade: Chilean Rugby is Social, Without Any Commitment
http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2019/0 ... ommitment/

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby argie » Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 21:09

And Selknam is updating some non official news about signings:

- Ignacio Silva, back row (Chilean) (Captain)
- Rodrigo Bruno, flanker (Argentinian)
- Patricio Baronio, scrumhalf (Argentinian)
- Ignacio Albornoz, utility back (Argentinian)
- Bautista Stavile, flanker (Argentinian)
- Esteban Viale, prop (Argentinian)
- Latiume Fosita, utility back (Tongan)
- Vesi Rarawa, prop (Fijian)

https://www.rugbychile.cl/2020/01/29/ch ... irectorio/

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