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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby theDarky » Wed, 05 Feb 2020, 20:50

Is it the same for all the teams ? all the players are in contract with their union ?

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Wed, 05 Feb 2020, 23:11

Not SLAR but a Colombian signs with RUNY making him the first Colombian in MLR. Hell, just playing for Old Blue alone would’ve put him in contention talent wise for the Tucanes so maybe now he’ll get noticed and be considered.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Pichulonko » Wed, 05 Feb 2020, 23:39

If Austin's rugby franchise can be named after a stiff drink then so can Brazil's. I personally like the As Caipirinhas name for the franchise much better than that of a snake or a rodent.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Wed, 05 Feb 2020, 23:50

At least caipirinha exists and is the national drink

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Thu, 06 Feb 2020, 02:50

:lol:
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Pichulonko » Thu, 06 Feb 2020, 16:19

Selknam has finalized their roster

These are the 27 Chileans on the team:

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 06 Feb 2020, 21:08

argie wrote:This is the article we are talking about, with the interview of Ignacio Chans to Daniel Hourcade:
https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/da ... 0194171348

Hourcade: Chilean Rugby is Social, Without Any Commitment
http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2019/0 ... ommitment/

So it was Hourcade, not Lemoine. My mistake.

Anyway, my point is that Selknam will help Chilean rugby a lot.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 06 Feb 2020, 21:12

I still think that Cobras was better for a single team, or city/state names if there were multiple Brazilian teams.

Likewise I can't support Peñarol. My uncles would disown me...

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Pichulonko » Thu, 06 Feb 2020, 22:40

President of Chile Rugby, Cristian Rudloff gave an interview last July in which he covered everything about the current status of rugby in Chile including the up and coming SLAR. At that time he went on record saying that they had three offers from Chilean fútbol clubs to partner into the newly formed professional rugby franchise but he declined them all on grounds that it would alienate a potential new audience simply because of existing fútbol allegiances. He added that it would be wiser to follow the Argentine model and give the franchise a brand new name creating a sense of national identity this embracing all supporters.

Judging by what has happened with Peñarol and specially Corinthians I have to hand it to the man for avoiding potential disaster.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Thu, 06 Feb 2020, 22:57

Pichulonko wrote:President of Chile Rugby, Cristian Rudloff gave an interview last July in which he covered everything about the current status of rugby in Chile including the up and coming SLAR. At that time he went on record saying that they had three offers from Chilean fútbol clubs to partner into the newly formed professional rugby franchise but he declined them all on grounds that it would alienate a potential new audience simply because of existing fútbol allegiances. He added that it would be wiser to follow the Argentine model and give the franchise a brand new name creating a sense of national identity this embracing all supporters.

Judging by what has happened with Peñarol and specially Corinthians I have to hand it to the man for avoiding potential disaster.


He was damn right.

And write this: it won't be a surprise if in 2021 we have a neutral name instead Corinthians.
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Thu, 06 Feb 2020, 23:57

NaBUru38 wrote:I still think that Cobras was better for a single team, or city/state names if there were multiple Brazilian teams.

Likewise I can't support Peñarol. My uncles would disown me...


On the bright side, Nacional will hopefully have a wealthy fan with your uncle’s mindset who will support the creation of a rugby club out of spite

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby 4N » Fri, 07 Feb 2020, 00:27

Judging by what has happened with Peñarol ... I have to hand it to the man for avoiding potential disaster.


Their social media seems to have a strong following. Will be interesting to see how they do in terms of attendance.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby carbonero » Fri, 07 Feb 2020, 00:55

The early returns in Uruguay/Paraguay support the football pathway. Peñarol has been solid all around but Olimpia is an absolute revelation. A generic franchise wouldn’t create all this hype: fan engagement, decent foreign signings, football stadium, etc. Maybe that doesn’t translate to attendances but it is a promising start...

Also, Chile rejected offers of football clubs because these proposals were not attached with private investment. If Colo Colo offered the same deal as Peñarol, where some members of the front office are pitching in from their own pockets to fund the franchise, the federation would be dumb to look elsewhere.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 07 Feb 2020, 00:57

NaBUru38 wrote:I still think that Cobras was better for a single team, or city/state names if there were multiple Brazilian teams.

Likewise I can't support Peñarol. My uncles would disown me...

How is the % of Uruguayans that don't support Peñarol and Nacional? I believe Danubio and Defensor have loyal fans that dont support the big 2 but I guess it is a very small %, right?
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Raven » Fri, 07 Feb 2020, 08:54

Tobar wrote: On the bright side, Nacional will hopefully have a wealthy fan with your uncle’s mindset who will support the creation of a rugby club out of spite


Let´s hope Nacional will be able to create a franchise for 2021, but before that let´s see how this first season goes before starting to daydream.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 07 Feb 2020, 13:49

It looks like Brazil won't have foreign players at all. Expect anouncements next week.
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Fri, 07 Feb 2020, 14:32

victorsra wrote:
NaBUru38 wrote:I still think that Cobras was better for a single team, or city/state names if there were multiple Brazilian teams.

Likewise I can't support Peñarol. My uncles would disown me...

How is the % of Uruguayans that don't support Peñarol and Nacional? I believe Danubio and Defensor have loyal fans that dont support the big 2 but I guess it is a very small %, right?


According to a couple of quick searches, the two clubs seem to own around 70%-80% of the country’s fan base. In a situation like this, I am fine associating with a club because of how big they are in the country. Corinthians, however, makes it very polarizing for everyone else in the country and even the same city.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 07 Feb 2020, 14:39

Yes. I found that Danubio and Defensor (3rd and 4th biggest clubs) have each one around 1,5%.

Only counting São Paulo, Corinthians has around 30-35%, while São Paulo FC is around 17-20%, Palmeiras around 15% (Corinthians more or less = São Paulo + Palmeiras) and Santos around 5%. Around 25% don't support football clubs (people don't realise but a big part of Brazilians don't like football... nationwide this number passes 35%, specialy where there aren't major clubs).
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Fri, 07 Feb 2020, 19:48

victorsra wrote:Yes. I found that Danubio and Defensor (3rd and 4th biggest clubs) have each one around 1,5%.

Only counting São Paulo, Corinthians has around 30-35%, while São Paulo FC is around 17-20%, Palmeiras around 15% (Corinthians more or less = São Paulo + Palmeiras) and Santos around 5%. Around 25% don't support football clubs (people don't realise but a big part of Brazilians don't like football... nationwide this number passes 35%, specialy where there aren't major clubs).


The Sao Paulo rugby club has the opportunity to be a club to represent all of Sao Paulo, including football fans and people who do not care for football. Similar to Glasgow Warriors. Glasgow is divided between Celtic and Rangers and people who do not like football, but united by the rugby club.
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 07 Feb 2020, 20:21

Now it is like choosing Celtic and telling Rangers to f*off.
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby victorsra » Fri, 07 Feb 2020, 22:49

Here: RSSF stats for fans in Brazil: http://rsssfbrasil.com/miscellaneous/torcidas.htm#s29

The last one, from 2018, with aprox numbers and only clubs that passed 1%

1º Flamengo (RJ) 18 % = 37,8 million fans
2º Corinthians (SP) 14 % = 29,4m
3º São Paulo (SP) 8 % = 16,8m
4º Palmeiras (SP) 6 % = 12,6m
5º Vasco (RJ) 4 % = 8,6m
Cruzeiro (MG) 4 % = 8,6m
Grêmio (RS) 4 % = 8,6m
7 Santos (SP) 3 % = 6,3m
Internacional (RS) 3 % = 6,3m
10º Atlético Mineiro (MG) 2 % = 4,3m
11º Bahia (BA) 1 % = 2,1m
Botafogo (RJ) 1 % = 2,1m
Fluminense (RJ) 1 % = 2,1m

- none: 22 % = 46,2m

In other words, too many clubs, all rivals. Not smart to choose one, even if it is a huge one. The % doesn't help.
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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby NaBUru38 » Fri, 07 Feb 2020, 23:38

About 45% Peñarol, 35% Nacional, 5% other clubs.

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Tobar » Sat, 08 Feb 2020, 01:12

NaBUru38 wrote:About 45% Peñarol, 35% Nacional, 5% other clubs.


I think you’re missing 15%

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Re: Superliga Americana de Rugby (SLAR)

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Sat, 08 Feb 2020, 01:38

Tobar wrote:
NaBUru38 wrote:About 45% Peñarol, 35% Nacional, 5% other clubs.


I think you’re missing 15%


15% is probably not interested in football.

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