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Isn't a drop kick technically a knock on?

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Isn't a drop kick technically a knock on?

Postby Kuppi » Sat, 09 Feb 2019, 20:11

Question is given in the head line. Another question: If you knocked on a ball, could you not just try to touch it with a foot anyhow? Wouldn't this be a drop kick attempt technically?

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Re: Isn't a drop kick technically a knock on?

Postby snapper37 » Sat, 09 Feb 2019, 20:43

Kuppi wrote:Question is given in the head line. Another question: If you knocked on a ball, could you not just try to touch it with a foot anyhow? Wouldn't this be a drop kick attempt technically?



A dropped kick ball needs to make contact with the ground before contact with your foot. A ball dropped straight down isn't a knock on as the ball needs to travel forward.

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Re: Isn't a drop kick technically a knock on?

Postby jonny24 » Thu, 14 Feb 2019, 20:27

But balls can and do move forward during the drop phase - maybe only slightly but still forward. I guess if you tried hard to make it look like it was a drop kick you might get away with it.

If it hasn't hit the ground yet then kicking a dropped ball shouldn't result in a knock on anyway.
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Re: Isn't a drop kick technically a knock on?

Postby Tobar » Thu, 14 Feb 2019, 21:39

The ball must be dropped in control and with the intent of kicking it. So if you drop a pass you don't have control. And if you do have control then drop it and sneakily kick it, you'll get away maybe 1% of the time if you have an inexperienced ref because it was clearly a fuck up.

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Re: Isn't a drop kick technically a knock on?

Postby Tintifax » Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 07:50

Try a Dropgoal = not against the principle of the game ("Score Points").

Knock on = against the principle of the game ("go forward" - the man not the ball must gain space- except kicking play)

There are similar examples in other game-situations i.e. why a player must not pull over an opponent in ruck (the player pulls the player from onside to offside- against "contest posession").
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Re: Isn't a drop kick technically a knock on?

Postby Thomas » Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 09:26

Two videos;

A drop kick and a drop goal very similar




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Re: Isn't a drop kick technically a knock on?

Postby Tobar » Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 13:55

A drop goal is by definition a drop kick

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Re: Isn't a drop kick technically a knock on?

Postby Thomas » Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 14:16

Tobar wrote:A drop goal is by definition a drop kick


yes you are right. just showing the video, the drop of the ball is exactly the same

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Re: Isn't a drop kick technically a knock on?

Postby Werner » Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 14:57

Have a look in the Definitions:

Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward ...
Drop-kick: After being intentionally dropped to the ground from the hand or hands
Kick: An act made by intentionally hitting the ball with any part of the leg or foot

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Re: Isn't a drop kick technically a knock on?

Postby NedRugby » Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 22:55

Werner wrote:Have a look in the Definitions:

Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward ...


9 times out of 10 a ref will give a knock-on if the ball is fumbled or dropped and goes straight down or sideways. It really has to go very clearly backwards for it to be allowed.

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