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2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby RugInt » Fri, 01 Mar 2019, 10:11

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby grande » Fri, 01 Mar 2019, 13:33

Team list for Canada here: https://rugby.ca/en/news/2019/02/jones- ... gentina-xv

1. Hubert Buydens – (NOLA Gold) Saskatoon, SK
2. Benoit Piffero – (Blagnac Sporting Club) Montreal, QC
3. Cole Keith – (Toronto Arrows) Sussex, NB
4. Conor Keys – (Rotherham Titans) Stittsville, ON
5. Kyle Baillie – (NOLA Gold) Summerside, PEI
6. Justin Blanchet – (Bedford Blues) Montreal, QC
7. Lucas Rumball – Captain(Toronto Arrows) Mississauga, ON
8. Dustin Dobravsky – (Castaway Wanderers) Hanover, Germany
9. Jamie Mackenzie – (Toronto Arrows) Oakville, ON
10. Gordon McRorie – (Calgary Hornets) Calgary, AB
11. Kainoa Lloyd – (Toronto Arrows) Mississauga, ON
12. Ciaran Hearn – (London Irish) Conception Bay South, NL
13. Nick Blevins – (Calgary Hornets) Calgary, AB
14. Andrew Coe – (Markham Irish) Toronto, ON
15. Theo Sauder – (Toronto Arrows) Vancouver, BC
16. Jordan Olsen – (Northland) Whangarei, NZ
17. Noah Barker – (Glendale Raptors) Courtenay, BC
18. Ryan Kotlewski – (Westshore RFC) Calgary, AB
19. Josh Larsen – (Austin Elite) Parksville, BC
20. Nakai Penny – (Seattle Seawolves) Penticton, BC
21. Will Percillier – (Stade Francais) Mill Bay, BC
22. Pat Parfrey – (Unattached) St. John’s, NL
23. Doug Fraser – (Austin Elite) Ladysmith, BC

I don't know why, but I like Piffero, and I'm glad he's getting the start. I'm also glad Gord McRord is starting at 10 over Parfrey. I hope Percillier gets put on fairly early, as I want him to start getting serious game time.

No real complaints with the lineup, but this is going to be a bloodbath regardless.

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby Was_a_Kat » Fri, 01 Mar 2019, 13:42

grande wrote:Team list for Canada here: https://rugby.ca/en/news/2019/02/jones- ... gentina-xv

1. Hubert Buydens – (NOLA Gold) Saskatoon, SK
2. Benoit Piffero – (Blagnac Sporting Club) Montreal, QC
3. Cole Keith – (Toronto Arrows) Sussex, NB
4. Conor Keys – (Rotherham Titans) Stittsville, ON
5. Kyle Baillie – (NOLA Gold) Summerside, PEI
6. Justin Blanchet – (Bedford Blues) Montreal, QC
7. Lucas Rumball – Captain(Toronto Arrows) Mississauga, ON
8. Dustin Dobravsky – (Castaway Wanderers) Hanover, Germany
9. Jamie Mackenzie – (Toronto Arrows) Oakville, ON
10. Gordon McRorie – (Calgary Hornets) Calgary, AB
11. Kainoa Lloyd – (Toronto Arrows) Mississauga, ON
12. Ciaran Hearn – (London Irish) Conception Bay South, NL
13. Nick Blevins – (Calgary Hornets) Calgary, AB
14. Andrew Coe – (Markham Irish) Toronto, ON
15. Theo Sauder – (Toronto Arrows) Vancouver, BC
16. Jordan Olsen – (Northland) Whangarei, NZ
17. Noah Barker – (Glendale Raptors) Courtenay, BC
18. Ryan Kotlewski – (Westshore RFC) Calgary, AB
19. Josh Larsen – (Austin Elite) Parksville, BC
20. Nakai Penny – (Seattle Seawolves) Penticton, BC
21. Will Percillier – (Stade Francais) Mill Bay, BC
22. Pat Parfrey – (Unattached) St. John’s, NL
23. Doug Fraser – (Austin Elite) Ladysmith, BC

I don't know why, but I like Piffero, and I'm glad he's getting the start. I'm also glad Gord McRord is starting at 10 over Parfrey. I hope Percillier gets put on fairly early, as I want him to start getting serious game time.

No real complaints with the lineup, but this is going to be a bloodbath regardless.


Parfrey will get credit for the win over Chile.

I like Piffero as well, maybe just because I’ve wanted an option to Barkwill.

Agree on Percillier.

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby snapper37 » Fri, 01 Mar 2019, 16:44

Would have preferred to see Perciller start. I'm not a fan of Mackenzie, he plays the game to slow.

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby marvinparsons » Fri, 01 Mar 2019, 17:24

Agree on Piffero and we have a Mitre 10 guy off the pine. You'd have to think he's an upgrade. Why isn't Penny getting more burn?

Also, I'm not having a go, but can someone tell me why Rumball is highly regarded? He's fairly big, but he doesn't dominate in contact, I can't recall him jackaling, his work rate is average to poor for a 6 or seven. His hands are decent. He doesn't screw up often, I guess that's something?

What am I missing? Or is just a dearth of better options? I mean to me Baillie or Larson look far superior.

I saw Rumball play at Queen's and hardly noticed him, which isn't what I'd expect for a Canadian/Arrows Captain.

Even his gait and feet are kind of strange (duck feet).

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby fullbackace » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 02:54

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby LittleGuy » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 03:11

Great start for Argentina, catastrophe for Canada.

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby fullbackace » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 03:31

Damn. knees are scary, hope it's not as bad as it feels.
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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby Buffalo » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 04:00

Canada has played better than I thought they would. Had lots of good chances and looked dangerous at times but just couldn’t finish them off. Not surprised they started to fade and make mistakes towards the end of the half. Argentina was making them move and work a lot. About 32 minutes in Argentina only lead 8-6 but go into the half up 21-6. Argentina just seem smarter and more talented overall, but that’s not surprising. I expect the score to open up a lot more, especially once Argentina starts bringing in subs.

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby grande » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 04:01

I missed the start, and was thrilled to see the score was only 8-6!

Then Argentina nearly immediately scored two tries to solidly take the lead... Ugh.

When Canada goes up on defence, we're pushing them back... but half the time we're not going up.

Had lots of good chances and looked dangerous at times but just couldn’t finish them off.


That's basically been the story of this team for about three years now.

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby LittleGuy » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 04:14

Canada are playing well but the scoreline is really bad, that clinical touch is all on Argentina's side.

Edit: Well deserved try for the boys. Glad the guys aren't folding the tent.

WOW! AWESOME STUFF! What a rally!

Edit Edit" Argentina with their 4th try, if they hand on to win, they get the title. Canada not quite packing it in yet.

Edit x3: Dubious Yellow card ends the game as a contest, and Argentina win the title, Canada only in play for a losing bonus point now.

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby grande » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 04:59

That yellow card was... strange. I could see a penalty, maybe, but it was awfully close.

That penalty try was a load of horseshit. That wasn't a wheel, Blue drove through.

Canada played almost all 80 minutes today. I'm thrilled with that. I was expecting a bloodbath, but Canada held up fairly well.

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby LittleGuy » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 05:02

Yeah despite the scoreline, this felt in many ways like the best Canadian effort in ages. The final penalty try was a crock on top of a wonky yellow and the opening try soft. Take away those two big blows and this is an extremely close Argentina win, which is what the game really seemed like.

I thought Piffero had a decent game, wish he could be the full time Hooker frankly but understand he has a good job outside of rugby.

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby victorsra » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 06:45

Congrats to both teams. Argentina champions and Canada playing good rugby :)
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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby NedRugby » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 14:47

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby snapper37 » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 17:10

1. Hubert Buydens – Was the anchor, Needs to shave though.
2. Benoit Piffero – Was decent enough, Barkwell could get left behind
3. Cole Keith – Looks young, needs more time to age and develop.
4. Conor Keys – Both did't standout
5. Kyle Baillie –
6. Justin Blanchet –
7. Lucas Rumball – Thought he played well
8. Dustin Dobravsky –
9. Jamie Mackenzie –
10. Gordon McRorie – Something about him seems odd, Clunky movements maybe.
11. Kainoa Lloyd – Not sure what he brings. No moves, no real speed.
12. Ciaran Hearn – He should be standing out at this level, he's an overseas pro and he looks like a average MLR player.
13. Nick Blevins –
14. Andrew Coe – Played well
15. Theo Sauder – Great under the high Ball, solid player
16. Jordan Olsen – Was interested to see what he could bring, Two terrible Lineout throws summed it up.
17. Noah Barker – i like his style but would like to see more mongrel out of him.
18. Ryan Kotlewski –
19. Josh Larsen –
20. Nakai Penny –
21. Will Percillier – Wish he started
22. Pat Parfrey –
23. Doug Fraser –

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby TheStroBro » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 19:13

Pretty good result, that?

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby Canadaman » Mon, 04 Mar 2019, 04:40

My reviews, agreed with the above at times and disagreed heavily at others.

1. Hubert Buydens – Was quite good. Still the starter, the battle is fore the back up position.
2. Benoit Piffero – Perhaps he has finally nailed down the starting position? Will be a good battle for the back up.
3. Cole Keith – Still very young for a prop. Him and Tienery will give us good service for many years to come.
4. Conor Keys – Was good enough. Squad player, might make it to WC
5. Kyle Baillie – Did well, might give Jones ideas of him partnering with Olmstead.
6. Justin Blanchet – Did well except for one dumb play at a ruck. Giving us back our backrow depth of years before.
7. Lucas Rumball – Played well enough, lead by example. Still think Hearn is a better 7.
8. Dustin Dobravsky – Who?
9. Jamie Mackenzie – I have liked him in the past, have said so many times, but man, was that a god awful performance.
10. Gordon McRorie – Not a natural 10. O'Leary better get a fair chance to start in the summer.
11. Kainoa Lloyd – Will be on the plane if there is a lot of injuries
12. Ciaran Hearn – Thought he did well enough. Is getting on in years though but should start in the WC at 12.
13. Nick Blevins – Will be a squad player but he better watch out. He is one of the guys who might think his ticket is booked but wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't go. (LeSage/Coe are booked)
14. Andrew Coe – Please do not let him anywhere near the 7s squad. They'll ruin him. He needs to get his ass over to Europe. Could be a winger/FB or Centre for us.)
15. Theo Sauder – Great on attack, exceptional even. Still needs to work on his D and his play under the highball. Argentina's second try was directly a result of him dropping an easy high ball

16. Jordan Olsen – Will forgive his L/O this time as I doubt he had much practice time this past week.
17. Noah Barker – DSD better hope he gets injured, as I am starting to think Barker will get his spot on the plane.
18. Ryan Kotlewski – Will be in tough to make it to the WC with Tienery, Ilnicki and Keith already booked.
19. Josh Larsen – Probably should have started, probably will next week.
20. Nakai Penny – Touch yellow but probably the correct call.
21. Will Percillier – Would still bring him off of the bench for now. Wouldn't be surprised if he wins the starter jersey by the time the WC starts.
22. Pat Parfrey – Less is more.
23. Doug Fraser – Tried hard but only injuries will see him on a flight to Japan.

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby Raven » Mon, 04 Mar 2019, 09:48

Clearly changing the approach ARG XV used to have for a few seasons (with a lot of rotating players to "broaden the base of players") has paid off. I quite enjoyed watching ARG XV, the looked compact and had a few good names to keep track of in there.

I am hoping the rumors of getting them into the Currie Cup pyramid are confirmed soon, would love to see them play those kind of games.

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby snapper37 » Mon, 04 Mar 2019, 17:00

Canadaman wrote:My reviews, agreed with the above at times and disagreed heavily at others.

1. Hubert Buydens – Was quite good. Still the starter, the battle is fore the back up position.
2. Benoit Piffero – Perhaps he has finally nailed down the starting position? Will be a good battle for the back up.
3. Cole Keith – Still very young for a prop. Him and Tienery will give us good service for many years to come.
4. Conor Keys – Was good enough. Squad player, might make it to WC
5. Kyle Baillie – Did well, might give Jones ideas of him partnering with Olmstead.
6. Justin Blanchet – Did well except for one dumb play at a ruck. Giving us back our backrow depth of years before.
7. Lucas Rumball – Played well enough, lead by example. Still think Hearn is a better 7.
8. Dustin Dobravsky – Who?
9. Jamie Mackenzie – I have liked him in the past, have said so many times, but man, was that a god awful performance.
10. Gordon McRorie – Not a natural 10. O'Leary better get a fair chance to start in the summer.
11. Kainoa Lloyd – Will be on the plane if there is a lot of injuries
12. Ciaran Hearn – Thought he did well enough. Is getting on in years though but should start in the WC at 12.
13. Nick Blevins – Will be a squad player but he better watch out. He is one of the guys who might think his ticket is booked but wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't go. (LeSage/Coe are booked)
14. Andrew Coe – Please do not let him anywhere near the 7s squad. They'll ruin him. He needs to get his ass over to Europe. Could be a winger/FB or Centre for us.)
15. Theo Sauder – Great on attack, exceptional even. Still needs to work on his D and his play under the highball. Argentina's second try was directly a result of him dropping an easy high ball

16. Jordan Olsen – Will forgive his L/O this time as I doubt he had much practice time this past week.
17. Noah Barker – DSD better hope he gets injured, as I am starting to think Barker will get his spot on the plane.
18. Ryan Kotlewski – Will be in tough to make it to the WC with Tienery, Ilnicki and Keith already booked.
19. Josh Larsen – Probably should have started, probably will next week.
20. Nakai Penny – Touch yellow but probably the correct call.
21. Will Percillier – Would still bring him off of the bench for now. Wouldn't be surprised if he wins the starter jersey by the time the WC starts.
22. Pat Parfrey – Less is more.
23. Doug Fraser – Tried hard but only injuries will see him on a flight to Japan.



Good reviews.
I think Barker goes to the World Cup as he can also play hook, DSD is now playing club rugby again as i guess his Seawolves gig didn't materialize. I also think that Percillier starts this week against the states, we need to see what he can do the starting. Someone who has more time needs to list all the possible players available to go. Lloyd, I'm not sold on yet, Mackenzie stays home

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby marvinparsons » Tue, 05 Mar 2019, 05:18

Off the top my head:

Prop:
Buydens
DSD
Illnicki
Tierney
Keith
Barker
Brouwer
Kotlewski

Hooker:
Barkwill
Piffero
Howard
Quattrin
Jordan Olson

Lock:
Beukeboom
Baillie
Olmstead
Keys
Sheppherd
Josh Larsen
Polson

Loose:
Heaton
Ardron
Rumball
Campbell
Blanchet
Moonlight
Penny
Dobravaky
T Larson

9:
Mack
McKenzie
McRorie
Percillier
Ferguson

10:
O'leary
Parfrey
Braid?
Povey?

Centres:
Trainor
Blevins
Hearn
Fraser
Barton
Du Toit
Moor

Outside Backs:
DTH
Evans
Paris
Hassler*
Sauder
Coe
Lloyd
Staller

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Re: 2 March: Canada v Argentina XV. ARC

Postby Was_a_Kat » Tue, 05 Mar 2019, 13:40

Marvin no LeSage?

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