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3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby RugInt » Fri, 01 Mar 2019, 10:33

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby victorsra » Fri, 01 Mar 2019, 14:38

http://www.portaldorugby.com.br/noticia ... em-jundiai

Brasil: 15 Daniel Sancery, 14 Lucas "Zé" Tranquez, 13 Lorenzo Massari, 12 Moisés Duque, 11 Robert Tenorio, 10 Josh Reeves, 9 Lucas "Tanque" Duque, 8 André "Buda" Arruda, 7 Arthur Bergo (c), 6 Cleber "Gelado" Dias, 5 Luiz "Monstro" Vieira, 4 Matteo Dell'Acqua, 3 Jardel Vettorato, 2 Wilton "Nelson" Rebolo, 1 Caique Segura;

Suplentes: 16 Yan Rosetti, 17 João "Sininho" Talamini, 18 Pedro Bengaló, 19 Michael "Ilha" Moraes, 20 Alexandre "Texugo" Alves, 21 Douglas Rauth, 22 Stefano Giantorno, 23 Ariel Rodrigues;

Chile: 15 Christian Huerta, 14 Tomás Ianiszewski, 13 José Ignacio Larenas, 12 Vicente Ayarza, 11 Gonzalo Lara, 10 Francisco González Moller, 9 Domingo Saavedra, 8 Martín Sigren (c), 7 Thomas Orchard, 6 Eduardo Orpis, 5 4 Javier Eissmann, 3 Nicolás Ovalle, 2 Claudio Iturra, 1 Vittorio Lastra;

Suplentes: 16 Augusto Böhme, 17 Thomas Garrido, 18 Claudio Zamorano, 19 Mauricio Gómez, 20 Augusto Sarmiento, 21 Camilo Sánchez, 22 Juan Pablo Perrotta, 23 Juan Pablo Larenas;
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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby 4N » Fri, 01 Mar 2019, 14:58

Chile had called up an Aussie RL player Jaden Laing earlier in the tournament. Did he get injured or dropped?

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby victorsra » Fri, 01 Mar 2019, 15:05

BTW, Felipe Sancery injured, Lucas Abud rested.
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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby victorsra » Fri, 01 Mar 2019, 15:06

RugInt wrote:Venue: Sao Paulo
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The venue isn't' São Paulo. It is Jundiaí.

Jayme Cintra stadium:

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby Canalina » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 21:39

I hoped in some more spectators. It seems there's more enthusiasm for Brazil outside the nation (between all the rugby fans in the World) than in the nation

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby 4N » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 22:07

Canalina wrote:I hoped in some more spectators. It seems there's more enthusiasm for Brazil outside the nation (between all the rugby fans in the World) than in the nation


Based on the crowd for a match vs Chile? Pretty sure they wouldn’t be a big draw in Italy either. Brazil got 35k vs NZ Maori. Not inflated by thousands of traveling fans like most Italy home crowds either.

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 22:27

As much as Brazil's pack has improved, their back play seems to be regressing from previous years. Poor handling and decision making so far and Chile sniffing a victory.

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 22:28

Come on, no need for a cheap shot at him for his nationality. I'd have expected a better crowd as well given good efforts on this area by CBRu

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 22:33

It's going to take time for the ARC to build its audience.

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby qwerty » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 23:02

It will suffer a major blow when the US leaves it for the Nations League

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby 4N » Sat, 02 Mar 2019, 23:09

Good effort Chile. Like the commentators said, you could see this game was their “final” and they were playing hard for a win. Brazil looked a little flat after their big performance last week.

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby ficcp » Sun, 03 Mar 2019, 00:16

It was not a bad result for Chile considering :

1.- There was not "one clear team" for the ARC, I think Lemoine used more than 30 players because is carrying out a developing process.

2.- THere was only one professional player : Lastra, who plays in Italy. There are several professional players in Spain, France UK and USA but they could not integrate the National team due to commitments with their clubs.

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 03 Mar 2019, 00:26

Armchair Fan wrote:Come on, no need for a cheap shot at him for his nationality. I'd have expected a better crowd as well given good efforts on this area by CBRu

How so? The only nation that draws well in this competition is Argentina at home. Surprised we drew as well as we did in Round Rock considering the trash marketing. The last time we were in Montevideo it wasn't brimming at the top. Canada plays at Westhills which is a 2500 seat venue.

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby victorsra » Sun, 03 Mar 2019, 03:30

Very bad match from Brazil. Very poor attendance. 923 people...


I was in the box next to Lemoine and he was really mad with his team
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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby victorsra » Sun, 03 Mar 2019, 03:33

Bruce_ma_goose wrote:As much as Brazil's pack has improved, their back play seems to be regressing from previous years. Poor handling and decision making so far and Chile sniffing a victory.

Chile deserved to win. We did nothing. Lucky that Josh Reeves is a reliable kicker.
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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby victorsra » Sun, 03 Mar 2019, 03:34

Canalina wrote:I hoped in some more spectators. It seems there's more enthusiasm for Brazil outside the nation (between all the rugby fans in the World) than in the nation

I always told you this.

We had an awesome crowd for the Maoris and some good ones at Pacaembu. But outside Pacaembu Stadium the matches loose ts glamour and people give a damn to attend... Very sad. But in defense it was in middle of Carnival... Very unlikely to see people travelling to Jundiaí...
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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sun, 03 Mar 2019, 07:01

Perhaps it would be better to play most of the matches in one city for now, build up a supporter base, and then look at other locations.

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby victorsra » Sun, 03 Mar 2019, 18:15

Well, that's problematic. CBRu is always criticised for the fact that the Tupis seldom play outside the São Paulo state. Of course the most safe place to play is São Paulo City, but the city has a stadiums problem. Pacaembu is obviously the best choice but it is sometimes bigger than what the Tupis really need. And small stadiums in São Paulo are in bad conditions...

For me the best strategy would be what France does with Paris and other cities:

- CBRu make a partnership with Nacional AC to renovate Estadio Nicolau Alayon, that has the perfect size for the Tupis and a good location. Rugby could have the right to use it one day in the weekend. If there is a match that need more than 7.000 seats, go to Pacaembu;

- If it is to play outside São Paulo chose one strategic city (specially state capitals) with plenty time to promote the match. To have 1 match outside São Paulo State every year would be really important;

But this plan will never happen as I don't see willing to make any partnership with a football club for a stadium... they won't spend money in it.

Of course instead of Nacional AC the other option would be Ibirapuera Stadium, with also reat location. But as I said before it is closed, might be demolished and needs mor money to renoate with a track and field facilities making it real trouble.
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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby qwerty » Sun, 03 Mar 2019, 19:09

Would be great if CBRu controlled Ibirapuera the way URU controls Charrúa, and after some renovations it became the home of Brazilian rugby.

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby victorsra » Sun, 03 Mar 2019, 19:51

It would be perfect. But the state government (that owns it) is giving a crap to sports and offered for private investors the area to build a shopping mall (the area is in the middle of a really rich area of the city). Their idea is to give the area to private inverstor to build a modern indoor arena in the place of the current gimnasium and allow them to build the mall replacing the stadium...

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Best thing for rugby would be to join forces with American Football to co-own the stadium... as Athletics alreeady have a nearby facility that is track and field-only and has about 1.000 seats, called Centro Olímpico.
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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby TheStroBro » Mon, 04 Mar 2019, 03:07

Too bad one of those abandoned World Cup Stadiums couldn't be transferred to CBru...

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 04 Mar 2019, 04:15

victorsra wrote:Well, that's problematic. CBRu is always criticised for the fact that the Tupis seldom play outside the São Paulo state. Of course the most safe place to play is São Paulo City, but the city has a stadiums problem. Pacaembu is obviously the best choice but it is sometimes bigger than what the Tupis really need. And small stadiums in São Paulo are in bad conditions...

For me the best strategy would be what France does with Paris and other cities:

- CBRu make a partnership with Nacional AC to renovate Estadio Nicolau Alayon, that has the perfect size for the Tupis and a good location. Rugby could have the right to use it one day in the weekend. If there is a match that need more than 7.000 seats, go to Pacaembu;

- If it is to play outside São Paulo chose one strategic city (specially state capitals) with plenty time to promote the match. To have 1 match outside São Paulo State every year would be really important;

But this plan will never happen as I don't see willing to make any partnership with a football club for a stadium... they won't spend money in it.

Of course instead of Nacional AC the other option would be Ibirapuera Stadium, with also reat location. But as I said before it is closed, might be demolished and needs mor money to renoate with a track and field facilities making it real trouble.


For the longest time Australia only ever played games in the strongest rugby states, most games were played in either Sydney or Brisbane for the best part of 100 years, with a few exceptions here and there, but wasn't until the mid 90's games where games started to be moved to other areas of the country, Canberra, Melbourne, Perth, with the occasional match in Adelaide, Newcastle and Gold Coast. Point being, I think Brazil should focus on the areas where rugby is the strongest, and build to other areas over time.

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Re: 3 March: Brazil v Chile ARC

Postby victorsra » Mon, 04 Mar 2019, 07:25

TheStroBro wrote:Too bad one of those abandoned World Cup Stadiums couldn't be transferred to CBru...


All empty WC stadiums (Brasília, Manaus, Recife and Natal) are in 4 cities with small rugby communities and very far from main rugby centers. The other 9 WC stadium are with 1st or 2nd division football clubs, not empty. Also CBRu would also need to move their offices.
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