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Canadian World Cup team

Postby snapper37 » Tue, 05 Mar 2019, 20:30

Potential players for this years world cup (thanks MarvinParsons) i can't keep track of whose in or out of the loop.

In 2015 we took 33 players

3 hookers
5 props
3 locks
4 flankers
2 8th

3 1/2 backs
2 flyhalfs an
5 centres
3 wings
3 fullbacks

Prop:
Buydens
DSD
Illnicki
Tierney
Keith
Barker
Brouwer
Kotlewski

Hooker:
Barkwill
Piffero
Howard
Quattrin
Jordan Olson

Lock:
Beukeboom
Baillie
Olmstead
Keys
Sheppherd
Josh Larsen
Polson


Loose:
Heaton
Ardron
Rumball
Campbell
Blanchet
Moonlight
Penny
Dobravaky
T Larson

9:
Mack
McKenzie
McRorie
Percillier
Ferguson

10:
O'leary
Parfrey

Povey?

Centres:
Braid?
Trainor
Blevins
Hearn
Fraser
Barton
Du Toit
Moor

Outside Backs:
DTH
Evans
Paris
Hassler*
Sauder
Coe
Lloyd
Staller

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby Canadaman » Tue, 05 Mar 2019, 21:12

I have it on good authority that only 2 specialist hookers will be going. Barker will be the 3rd. Also expect McRorie to cover 9/10.

Also, I have read that squad size limit will be 31 players.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby Buffalo » Tue, 05 Mar 2019, 21:25

Why has this list been posted twice and Ben LeSage left off it both times? He’s been favoured as a starting 13 in recent history over Nick Blevins and would almost certainly still be starting if he didn’t have to go back to UBC.

I am curious about why you’d pick John Moonlight and Travis Larsen to go to Japan. Travis Larsen has been decent enough with Austin but he has only hit the field for Canada A. Not sure how he warrants a trip to Japan. And Moonlight looked solid in his appearance with the Arrows but hasn’t played high level XVs in years. Instead focusing on 7s and now his career as a fireman.Sounds like some James Bay bias leaking into the selection process haha.

My preferred yet still trying to be realistic 31 Man roster

Props: Hubert Buydens, Noah Barker, Rob Brouwer, Jake Ilnicki, Matt Tierney, Cole Keith
Hooker: Ray Barkwill, Eric Howard
Locks: Brett Beukeboom, Evan Olmstead, Josh Larsen, Mike Shepperd
Back Row: Kyle Baillie, Justin Blanchet, Lucas Rumball, Matt Heaton, Tyler Ardron
Scrum-Half: Phil Mack, Andrew Ferguson, Will Percillier
Fly-Half: Shane O’Leary, Gordon McRorie
Centres: Ciaran Hearn, Ben LeSage, Conor Trainor, Connor Braid(if he wants to come over from the 7s program in July)
Back Three: Matt Evans, Taylor Paris, Theo Sauder, Andrew Coe, DTH van der Merwe(if recovered)

I’m interested in seeing Jordon Olson after more time with the team. He’s fairly brand new to the set up and hasn’t had a lot of time with the boys so I’m not surprised he didn’t look amazing against Argentina XV. Eric Howard is killing it in MLR but none of the national coaches in recent history seem to have a lot of faith in him so the back up to old man Barkwill could be wide open. I’d love for Piffero to go, either as a starter or replacement, but I doubt his career would allow him to be away from July to October.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby marvinparsons » Tue, 05 Mar 2019, 21:40

I was just picking guys off the top of my head. Sure there are some missing. I've never been too impressed by Lesage, but he wasn't intentionally omitted.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby Canadaman » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 00:52

I will try to give my take on the 31 man roster Canada will send to Japan. The list will not be who I select, but who I think Jones will select.

For the squad I will assume all on healthy and willing to go.

Forwards (17)
Props: (6)

LH: Buydens, Brouwer, Barker(also hooker cover)
TH: Tienery, Ilnicki, Keith

Hooker: (2)

Piffero, Olsen

Locks: (4)

Olmstead, Beukeboom, Larsen, Sheppard

Backrow: (5)

Ardron, Baille, Rumball, Blanchett, Heaton

Backs (14)

Halfbacks: (3)

Mack, McRorie (10 Cover), Perciller

1st5 (2)

O'Leary, Parfrey (FB cover)

Centres (4)

Hearn, Trainor, LeSage, Blevins

Outside Backs (5)

DTH, Evans, Paris, Sauder, Coe

My big Calls: Barkwill won't make it. Age has finally caught up to him. DSD has just blown too many chances and will not make it. Parfrey will but mainly due to being a FB cover as well.

Starting line up, if all are healthy:

1. Buydens
2. Piffero
3. Tienery
4. Olmstead
5. Baille
6. Blanchett
7. Rumball
8. Ardron

9. Mack
10. O'Leary
11. DTH
12. Hearn
13. Trainor
14. Paris
15. Evans

16. Olsen
17. Brouwer
18. Ilnicki
19. Beukeboom
20. Sheppard
21. McRorie (9-10 cover)
22. Coe
23. Sauder

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby Run34 » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 01:35

My 31-man squad for the 2019 RWC

Hooker (3)

Ray Barkwill
Eric Howard
Benoit Piffero

Prop (5)

Hubert Buydens
Jake Ilnicki
Clint Lemkus (Eligible in August)
Djustice Sears-Duru
Matt Tierney

Lock (4)

Brett Beukeboom
Josh Larsen
Evan Olmstead
Mike Sheppard

Backrow (5)

Tyler Ardron
Kyle Baillie
Justin Blanchet
Matt Heaton
Lucas Rumball

Scrum-half (3)

Phil Mack
Jamie Mackenzie
Will Percillier

Fly-half (2)

Gordon McRorie
Shane O'Leary

Centre (4)

Nick Blevins
Ciaran Hearn
Ben LeSage
Conor Trainor

Back-three (5)

Matt Evans
Kainoa Lloyd
Taylor Paris
Theo Sauder
DTH van der Merwe

My Starting XV

01. Hubert Buydens
02. Ray Barkwill
03. Jake Ilnicki
04. Mike Sheppard
05. Evan Olmstead
06. Kyle Baillie
07. Lucas Rumball
08. Tyler Ardron
09. Phil Mack
10. Gordon McRorie
11. DTH van der Merwe
12. Ciaran Hearn
13. Conor Trainor
14. Taylor Paris
15. Theo Sauder

16. Benoit Piffero
17. Clint Lemkus
18. Matt Tierney
19. Brett Beukeboom
20. Justin Blanchet
21. Will Percillier
22. Shane O'Leary
23. Matt Evans

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby GentsRugger » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 01:40

Hey fellas, if you're looking for the full list of Canadian players (some are yet to be fully capped but have played for Canada 'A' or trained with the national team) here you go.

http://www.americasrugbynews.com/player ... ol-canada/

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby snapper37 » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 04:21

Run34 wrote:My 31-man squad for the 2019 RWC


Prop (5)

Hubert Buydens
Jake Ilnicki
Clint Lemkus (Eligible in August)
Djustice Sears-Duru
Matt Tierney



Very much doubt that Lemkus will jump everybody and make the trip to Japan with having no international games under his belt.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby snapper37 » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 04:23

Canadaman wrote:I will try to give my take on the 31 man roster Canada will send to Japan. The list will not be who I select, but who I think Jones will select.

For the squad I will assume all on healthy and willing to go.

Forwards (17)
Props: (6)


Hooker: (2)

Piffero, Olsen




As much as i think we need to move on from Barkwell, he brings something that the others don't...niggle.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby snapper37 » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 04:26

Buffalo wrote:Why has this list been posted twice and Ben LeSage left off it both times? He’s been favoured as a starting 13 in recent history over Nick Blevins and would almost certainly still be starting if he didn’t have to go back to UBC.

I am curious about why you’d pick John Moonlight and Travis Larsen to go to Japan. Travis Larsen has been decent enough with Austin but he has only hit the field for Canada A. Not sure how he warrants a trip to Japan. And Moonlight looked solid in his appearance with the Arrows but hasn’t played high level XVs in years. Instead focusing on 7s and now his career as a fireman.Sounds like some James Bay bias leaking into the selection process haha.

My preferred yet still trying to be realistic 31 Man roster

Props: Hubert Buydens, Noah Barker, Rob Brouwer, Jake Ilnicki, Matt Tierney, Cole Keith
Hooker: Ray Barkwill, Eric Howard
Locks: Brett Beukeboom, Evan Olmstead, Josh Larsen, Mike Shepperd
Back Row: Kyle Baillie, Justin Blanchet, Lucas Rumball, Matt Heaton, Tyler Ardron
Scrum-Half: Phil Mack, Andrew Ferguson, Will Percillier
Fly-Half: Shane O’Leary, Gordon McRorie
Centres: Ciaran Hearn, Ben LeSage, Conor Trainor, Connor Braid(if he wants to come over from the 7s program in July)
Back Three: Matt Evans, Taylor Paris, Theo Sauder, Andrew Coe, DTH van der Merwe(if recovered)

I’m interested in seeing Jordon Olson after more time with the team. He’s fairly brand new to the set up and hasn’t had a lot of time with the boys so I’m not surprised he didn’t look amazing against Argentina XV. Eric Howard is killing it in MLR but none of the national coaches in recent history seem to have a lot of faith in him so the back up to old man Barkwill could be wide open. I’d love for Piffero to go, either as a starter or replacement, but I doubt his career would allow him to be away from July to October.



Moonlight played great in his first MLR game and will get 8 games straight when they end back up at Toronto, and will bring a level of toughness to the back row that we are missing.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby grande » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 13:53

I'm really surprised to see people rating Olson over Piffero. I think Barkwill is still our best technical hooker (even if he shouldn't be playing a full game), followed by Piffero/Howard (not sure who's better of these two), with Olson far behind. I see a lot of promise in him, but he's not there yet.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby Was_a_Kat » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 14:39

I really hope we turn the page on some older guys.

If we take Barkwill, he should be a 50 minute man. I’ve grown to respect him, but the writing has been on the wall for some time. I know top players don’t grow on trees but there should have been a plan in place.

I’m okay with Mack if the coaches are convinced he is our clear best option. But I remember the 1999 RWC where Williams took the job from Graf in the months leading up. Maybe that happens now.

I prefer Hearn to Blevins. More versatile in skills and positions, and also a kicking option. Do we have a clear choice for kicking points right now? Blevins has been a faithful player, but continuing to give him starts doesn’t seem forward thinking.

One thing we seem to lack right now is high impact players in the back row, which for years seemed like our position of strength. Maybe I’m misjudging the talent and would love to be proven wrong.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby grande » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 18:10

I'd say O'Leary is probably our best current point kicker...

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby Was_a_Kat » Thu, 07 Mar 2019, 19:10

I’m not sure if he is a top 2 choice at 10 for the coach.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby Buffalo » Thu, 07 Mar 2019, 22:17

Was_a_Kat wrote:I’m not sure if he is a top 2 choice at 10 for the coach.


He’s the top pointer scorer in the RFU Championship. How stupid could our coaching staff be to view him as a top 2 option if he’s available. I still believe if it wasn’t for his father, Pat Junior wouldn’t get anywhere near the opportunities he has had, and continues to receive, despite showing he doesn’t belong at an international level time and time again, unless playing a completely subpar nation like Chile. McRorie is at least serviceable, if unspectacular. Even if Jones prefers McRorie as starting 10, having O’Leary on the bench offers cover for 10, 12, and 13 at a decent level along with another class kicking option.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby Was_a_Kat » Fri, 08 Mar 2019, 00:21

Buffalo wrote:
Was_a_Kat wrote:I’m not sure if he is a top 2 choice at 10 for the coach.


He’s the top pointer scorer in the RFU Championship. How stupid could our coaching staff be to view him as a top 2 option if he’s available. I still believe if it wasn’t for his father, Pat Junior wouldn’t get anywhere near the opportunities he has had, and continues to receive, despite showing he doesn’t belong at an international level time and time again, unless playing a completely subpar nation like Chile. McRorie is at least serviceable, if unspectacular. Even if Jones prefers McRorie as starting 10, having O’Leary on the bench offers cover for 10, 12, and 13 at a decent level along with another class kicking option.


I’d love to see O’Leary get every opportunity to be the first option, but I don’t know if at this point he is any more likely to even make the team than Parfrey.

I largely agree with your thoughts on Junior. It can’t all be dad though, because at this point a coach could say “we gave him a fair shot” and move on. We are well beyond a courtesy cap or three by now.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby marvinparsons » Fri, 08 Mar 2019, 15:09

I think Parfrey has worked himself into a position similar to Barkwill. 10 is a specialist position and you have to be technically proficient to play there and know the team's game plan. Like Barkwill Parfrey is technically proficient. He can pass, kick, provide structure, not make egregious errors, play OK defense. He's in good physical shape, he's dedicated, knows the teams patterns etc. He has the overall skills of a 10.

However, like Barkwill, he is athletically not an international player, nor should he even be in the conversation. He can't make anything happen. He's too slow, not powerful enough, not quick etc.

It is an indictment of entire rugby structure that you have these guys making it to the national team and staying there. Obviously rugby isn't attracting athletic talent and/or it isn't training the athletes it does have or offering them the incentives to get to this level.

The question isn't favouritism with Parfrey. It is how much time/money did he spend to get himself to his current level? If there was a more athletically talented kid in Regina playing at age 15, which I guarantee there was, what happened to him? Why don't more athletic people want to play rugby or keep playing?

Given that we have plummeted to tier 3 status you'd think there'd be a review of rugby in the country writ large, but that has yet to happen.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby snapper37 » Fri, 08 Mar 2019, 16:31

marvinparsons wrote:I think Parfrey has worked himself into a position similar to Barkwill. 10 is a specialist position and you have to be technically proficient to play there and know the team's game plan. Like Barkwill Parfrey is technically proficient. He can pass, kick, provide structure, not make egregious errors, play OK defense. He's in good physical shape, he's dedicated, knows the teams patterns etc. He has the overall skills of a 10.

However, like Barkwill, he is athletically not an international player, nor should he even be in the conversation. He can't make anything happen. He's too slow, not powerful enough, not quick etc.

It is an indictment of entire rugby structure that you have these guys making it to the national team and staying there. Obviously rugby isn't attracting athletic talent and/or it isn't training the athletes it does have or offering them the incentives to get to this level.

The question isn't favouritism with Parfrey. It is how much time/money did he spend to get himself to his current level? If there was a more athletically talented kid in Regina playing at age 15, which I guarantee there was, what happened to him? Why don't more athletic people want to play rugby or keep playing?

Given that we have plummeted to tier 3 status you'd think there'd be a review of rugby in the country writ large, but that has yet to happen.



Personally there has been a attitude at RC that it's Victoria or noting, and I believe there are too many youth teams that are pay to play. I've seen a lots of kids who think they are something special because they played National U18,U20 or some other Provincial rep team. We needs rep teams that are built on talent and not cash.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby Canadaman » Fri, 08 Mar 2019, 21:18

Parfrey is not the problem, he is a symptom of the problem. Too long quality teenage rugby players have quit the sport for a variety of reasons. They are lost to us. A lack of professional opportunities and the pay to play model have been factors. This is where the MLR can help us. Unfortunately, it won't help us in 2019, if things progress well, I have heard Vancouver might be getting their act together but it is still early on the front, we could have a semi respectable side in 2023 again.

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Re: Canadian World Cup team

Postby Canadaman » Mon, 11 Mar 2019, 19:41

So, the ARC is over and it was another disaster for us. TBH, if we played in our first two games the way we played in the last two, we probably go 3-2, but oh well.

So, who's stock has increased?

Blanchet - viable backrow option, could see a shifting of backrow starters to accommodate him
McRorie - has shown that he can be serviceable at 10. Will he be the bench option for 9 and 10, or does he start?
Buydens - Yes, he is old but he has shown that the other options at 3 are simply not working
Piffero - proved that he could be a starter


Decreased

DSD - Honestly, would no be surprised to see him not on the plane.
Mackenzie - struggled when he played, might get the June test series to prove he still has it.
Parfrey - was a disaster at 10. Should not be on the plane.
Barkwill - because he was absent. Gave others a chance to show that they could start.

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