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9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby suofficer » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 07:50

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby NedRugby » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 08:18

Kick off is 13:15 CET. It has been changed to allow live TV broadcast which I think is the first time for the Dutch team. Unfortunately it's on a sports channel that you have to pay an extra subscription for so I think viewing figures will be tiny. The double header with the women's match against Germany has been flipped, so that match now follows the men's rather than the other way round.

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby NedRugby » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 08:23

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby suofficer » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 08:47

When I went to this fixture two years ago I was really impressed with how well it was run. There was an U18 game against a South African school I think as the under card. Face painting and a bouncy castle for kids, a fully functioning bar and it was really well attended.

How strong are Holland looking ?

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby suofficer » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 12:13

Antonio Cortes - AEIS Agronomia
Diogo Hasse Ferreira - Cascais
Francisco Bruno - GD Direito
Jean Sousa - US Montbaun
Joao Belo - CDUL
Joao Corte Real - CDUP
Joao Granate - GD Direito
Joao Moreira - AEIS Agronomia
Jorge Abecasis - CDUL
Jose Conde - Alcobendas
Jose D'Alte - AEIS Agronomia
Jose Rebelo de Andrade - AEIS Agronomia
Manuel Cardoso Pinto - RC Diok
Manuel Marta - CF Belenenses
Martim Cardoso - AEIS Agronomia
Nuno Macarenhas - Cascais
Rodrigo Freudenthal - CF Belenenses
Rodrigo Marta - CF Belenenses
Salvador Vassalo - Cascais
Sebastiao Villax - CDUL
Tomas Appleton - CDUL
Vasco Batista - CDUL
Vasco Ribeiro - AEIS Agronomia

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby NedRugby » Wed, 06 Mar 2019, 23:20

I think we are similar strength to the last couple of years. Some of the youngsters who have been coming through recently have been gaining experience abroad, so that could be a plus. We are seriously lacking home-grown talent in the front row, which they are trying to address. I haven't seen a match-day squad, but the enlarged training squad which was announced a month ago is as follows:

FORWARDS

PROPS
Hugo Langelaan; RC 't Gooi
Andrew Darlington; Maidenhead, UK
Kieran Hogg; Rugby Club Hilversum
Robin Moenen; Rugby Club DIOK
Joe Collins; Rugby Club 't Gooi
Tom Hiddlestone; Castricumse Rugby Club

HOOKERS
Mark Darlington; Maidenhead, UK
Ross Bennie Coulson; Rugby Club DIOK
Rik van Dijk; Haagsche Rugby Club

LOCKS
Jim Boelrijk; Rugby Club 't Gooi
Chesney Crosby; Rugby Club Hilversum
Quermy Warmerdam; Rugby Club Hilversum
Rikkert Verhofstad; Castricumse Rugby Club
Mark Wokke; Castricumse Rugby Club

LOOSE FORWARDS
Dirk Danen ; Rugby Club Hilversum
Vincent Wright; Maidenhead, UK
Wolf van Dijk; Ayr Rugby Club, UK
Kevin Krieger; Montpellier Heraud, FR
Duncan MacDonald; Haagsche Rugby Club
Robin Kok; Rugby Club 't Gooi
Tom Altink; Rugby Club DIOK
Blake Nightingale; Rugby Club Hilversum
Ben Hammerlink; Rugby Club 't Gooi

BACKS

SCRUM HALVES
Amir Rademaker; Ayr Rugby Club, UK
Luc Scholler; Haagsche Rugby Club
Maarten van Osch; Rugby Club the Dukes
Tony Hoogenboom; Castricumse Rugby Club

FLYHALVES
Danny Volker; Rugby Club Hilversum
Liam McBride; NZ
Jasey van Kampen; Stade Aurillacois Cantal Auvergne, FR

CENTERS
Storm Carroll; Rugby Club Hilversum
Rik Roovers ; Rugby Club Hilversum
Illie Greeve; Rugby Club DIOK
Quinten Koster; Loughborough University, UK
Lucas de Waaij; Rugby Club the Bassets

BACK 3
Josh Gascoigne; Rugby Club Hilversum
Sep Visser; Rugby Club Hilversum
Norbecio Mambo; Rugby Club 't Gooi
Siem Noorman; Haagsche Rugby Club
Daan van de Avoird; Rugby Club DIOK
Tausinga Kautai; Castricumse Rugby Club

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby victorsra » Thu, 07 Mar 2019, 04:03



This is really tricky.

In Portuguese we always call it "Holanda" (Holland), athough Países Baixos (=Netherlands) is also used.

I entered in the official Netherlands embassy to Brazil website and do you know what is their url? HolandaeVoce.nl (traslating, HollandAndYou.nl). But they use "Países Baixos" inside the website... :?
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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby suofficer » Thu, 07 Mar 2019, 07:41

Point taken about the use of "Holland" , no offense intended

Visser was probably one of the best players on the pitch two years ago. Suspect he will be a big threat again this weekend. From when we played Poland the Portuguese scrum seems to be a different animal so hopefully that gives a nice platform to start from.

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby NedRugby » Thu, 07 Mar 2019, 08:58

Most people won't take offence. In fact in popular culture Holland and Nederland are often used interchangeably. So you get football crowds chanting for "Holland" rather than "Nederland", and the popular TV show is called "Holland's got talent". To talk about Utrecht or Eindhoven in Holland would not be the same level of faux pas as talking about Glasgow or Cardiff in England.

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby iul » Thu, 07 Mar 2019, 12:55

Here in Romania everyone calls Netherlands "Olanda", which is the Romanian for Holland. The "official" Romanian name for Holland is "Tarile de Jos", meaning The low countries, and, for some bizarre reason the "official" name of the language is "neerlandeza", which I spent about 10 minutes once looking for on google translate because I was looking for "olandeza" but couldn't find it.

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby suofficer » Thu, 07 Mar 2019, 13:42

any sign of the dutch match day 23 ?

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby victorsra » Thu, 07 Mar 2019, 17:58

iul wrote:Here in Romania everyone calls Netherlands "Olanda", which is the Romanian for Holland. The "official" Romanian name for Holland is "Tarile de Jos", meaning The low countries, and, for some bizarre reason the "official" name of the language is "neerlandeza", which I spent about 10 minutes once looking for on google translate because I was looking for "olandeza" but couldn't find it.

Very interesting.

I guess all latin languanges have the same questions.

In Portuguese the name of the language and the people is "holandês". There is another word, "neerlandês", but 99,9% of people don't know this word exists (in Brazil at least, not sure about Portugal if they use "neerlandês", but I guess they don't).
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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby suofficer » Fri, 08 Mar 2019, 11:37

I really need to do some bets with dutch colleagues and the lack of a dutch match day squad is holding me back , sigh.

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 08 Mar 2019, 12:48

suofficer wrote:I really need to do some bets with dutch colleagues and the lack of a dutch match day squad is holding me back , sigh.

It's on Rugby Europe website:
https://www.rugbyeurope.eu/2018-19-reic ... s-portugal

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby suofficer » Fri, 08 Mar 2019, 12:58

Probably should have started there.....thank you.

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby 4N » Fri, 08 Mar 2019, 13:44

You can’t really make assumptions based on names these days but how many of the Dutch squad are residency or heritage players?

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby NedRugby » Fri, 08 Mar 2019, 23:40

Quite a lot are from abroad. Some on residence, others with Dutch (grand) parents. Of the starting 15, the Darlington brothers are English, Wright AU/GB, Nightingale GB, Hamelink NZ (Dutch roots), McBride NZ (Dutch mother), Gascoigne NZ. Also I think five of the eight replacements are foreign born.


I certainly hope they all have their eligibility sorted after last year's REC fiasco.

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby Wolves » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 12:55

Holland 0-6 Portugal

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby NedRugby » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 12:58

HT. Portugal lead 6-0. Big crowd by Dutch standards. Portugal played with a very strong wind in this first half so I'm not unhappy with the scoreline.

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby welshdragon2000 » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 13:03

Netherlands getting some joy from the scrum in that first half. Because of the wind they couldn’t really kick to touch from their penalties so if they can keep their dominance in the scrum second half then I think they have a very good chance of winning this one.

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby Wolves » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 13:36

Holland 0 - 11Portugal

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby Wolves » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 13:55

Holland 5 - 18 Portugal

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby NedRugby » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 14:02

Congrats Portugal. We missed a couple of chances early in the 2nd half which would have made the game more exciting, but the better team won.

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Re: 9th March Holland v Portugal : RET

Postby Silver Fox » Sat, 09 Mar 2019, 14:38

Yes, congrats to Portugal.
There wasn't much in it but they are still the better team.

Differences between the two are getting smaller but if I had to name one I'd say the main difference was the scrumhalves, especially the first half.
On the Dutch side Rademaker always needed an intial step or taking the ball in before making his action.
That gave the Portuguese an extra yard in defence and the consequent actions in Dutch attack easier to read.
Whereas the Portuguese actions looked more explosive and threatening.
One could argue the Portuguese look more used to higher tempo games.
It could be a climate ergo pitch thing.

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