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Re: German rugby

Postby oldprussians » Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 18:13

Still nothing?

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Re: German rugby

Postby Masochist » Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 18:47

So there has finally been an effort to establish a competition between the German unions. The idea has been around since at least 2012. The RegioCup was played for the first time, with only the unions of Berlin, Hamburg and Lower Saxony competing. Even though the Hamburg union seems to be the driving factor behind this they struggled to get a whole team on the pitch.

Lower Saxony 71 - 15 Hamburg (only 11 Hamburg players)
Hamburg 21 - 55 Berlin (played Rugby 10s)
Berlin 19 - 39 Lower Saxony (or 21-39, contradicting results given. There's some Youtube footage)

Let's hope some more unions join the competition and it'll be taken more seriously.

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Re: German rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 12 Dec 2018, 09:28

oldprussians wrote:Still nothing?


Could be a good or a bad sign. I honestly don't know.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Wed, 12 Dec 2018, 09:48

Masochist wrote:So there has finally been an effort to establish a competition between the German unions. The idea has been around since at least 2012. The RegioCup was played for the first time, with only the unions of Berlin, Hamburg and Lower Saxony competing. Even though the Hamburg union seems to be the driving factor behind this they struggled to get a whole team on the pitch.

Lower Saxony 71 - 15 Hamburg (only 11 Hamburg players)
Hamburg 21 - 55 Berlin (played Rugby 10s)
Berlin 19 - 39 Lower Saxony (or 21-39, contradicting results given. There's some Youtube footage)

Let's hope some more unions join the competition and it'll be taken more seriously.


I guess it depends on how Germans view their respective regional identities. Such a format if ever properly formalised could be a good vessel to providing players with in theory higher levels of competition feeding into the national team.

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Re: German rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 12 Dec 2018, 10:16

Working Class Rugger wrote:
I guess it depends on how Germans view their respective regional identities. Such a format if ever properly formalised could be a good vessel to providing players with in theory higher levels of competition feeding into the national team.


That's the one problem. Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria i.e. have three-four different regional identities i.e. Travel distance between those rugby cities is another problem.
I think this is a very good idea in general, with some big hurdles on its way. It is still easier to implement in city-states like Berlin or Hamburg or very centered states like Heidelberg which makes up most of BW's athletes or Hannover in Lower Saxony. The problem is, that unlike all other countries where you have this regions, the Union is not able to fully fund it.

On another side: not only is the Oktoberfest 7s coming back to Munich in 2019 (first Oktoberfest weekend (21st/22nd of September), but also another club was founded in Munich based on the British expat school St. George's. They have already appeared in youth tournaments and with some players in adult games As the club is within the ESV Freimann, we have now three rugby clubs within 3km (RC Unterföhring, SV Studentenstadt Freimann (StuSta) and ESV Freimann). The new rugby Bermuda triangle of Munich. As Unterföhring has over and StuSta should have around 200 members, rugby is really gaining ground here in the north of Munich.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: German rugby

Postby oldprussians » Wed, 12 Dec 2018, 15:34

Working Class Rugger wrote:
Masochist wrote:So there has finally been an effort to establish a competition between the German unions. The idea has been around since at least 2012. The RegioCup was played for the first time, with only the unions of Berlin, Hamburg and Lower Saxony competing. Even though the Hamburg union seems to be the driving factor behind this they struggled to get a whole team on the pitch.

Lower Saxony 71 - 15 Hamburg (only 11 Hamburg players)
Hamburg 21 - 55 Berlin (played Rugby 10s)
Berlin 19 - 39 Lower Saxony (or 21-39, contradicting results given. There's some Youtube footage)

Let's hope some more unions join the competition and it'll be taken more seriously.


I guess it depends on how Germans view their respective regional identities. Such a format if ever properly formalised could be a good vessel to providing players with in theory higher levels of competition feeding into the national team.


S this an attempt to create pro regions as Ireland has?

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Re: German rugby

Postby Tobar » Wed, 12 Dec 2018, 19:16

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
I guess it depends on how Germans view their respective regional identities. Such a format if ever properly formalised could be a good vessel to providing players with in theory higher levels of competition feeding into the national team.


That's the one problem. Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria i.e. have three-four different regional identities i.e. Travel distance between those rugby cities is another problem.
I think this is a very good idea in general, with some big hurdles on its way. It is still easier to implement in city-states like Berlin or Hamburg or very centered states like Heidelberg which makes up most of BW's athletes or Hannover in Lower Saxony. The problem is, that unlike all other countries where you have this regions, the Union is not able to fully fund it.

On another side: not only is the Oktoberfest 7s coming back to Munich in 2019 (first Oktoberfest weekend (21st/22nd of September), but also another club was founded in Munich based on the British expat school St. George's. They have already appeared in youth tournaments and with some players in adult games As the club is within the ESV Freimann, we have now three rugby clubs within 3km (RC Unterföhring, SV Studentenstadt Freimann (StuSta) and ESV Freimann). The new rugby Bermuda triangle of Munich. As Unterföhring has over and StuSta should have around 200 members, rugby is really gaining ground here in the north of Munich.


How are the Oktoberfest 7s received locally? I remember not seeing too many people there but it was also not an official World Series stop and there was something about the ownership, like the mayor owned it or something like that.

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Re: German rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 12 Dec 2018, 19:59

Tobar wrote:
How are the Oktoberfest 7s received locally? I remember not seeing too many people there but it was also not an official World Series stop and there was something about the ownership, like the mayor owned it or something like that.


The mayor has nothing to do with it. It is more some former rugby players from Heidelberg who set it up.
Well there were over 20k people on the two days. Cameras were pointing on the empty stand though. The Olympic stadium actually got a grass pitch for the first time and now the city of Munich has granted 200k for 2019.
So it is well received. The city of Munich owns the Olympic park and they want to fill it with events - especially the stadium itself.
This has a lot of potential and with the move to the first Oktoberfest weekends, accomodation for the teams in the build-up to the event will be a lot cheaper.

Remember that the usual question when you play rugby is normally, if that is the sport where you wear helmets. This does a lot for the profile of rugby in Munich and Germany.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Thu, 13 Dec 2018, 01:17

oldprussians wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
Masochist wrote:So there has finally been an effort to establish a competition between the German unions. The idea has been around since at least 2012. The RegioCup was played for the first time, with only the unions of Berlin, Hamburg and Lower Saxony competing. Even though the Hamburg union seems to be the driving factor behind this they struggled to get a whole team on the pitch.

Lower Saxony 71 - 15 Hamburg (only 11 Hamburg players)
Hamburg 21 - 55 Berlin (played Rugby 10s)
Berlin 19 - 39 Lower Saxony (or 21-39, contradicting results given. There's some Youtube footage)

Let's hope some more unions join the competition and it'll be taken more seriously.


I guess it depends on how Germans view their respective regional identities. Such a format if ever properly formalised could be a good vessel to providing players with in theory higher levels of competition feeding into the national team.


S this an attempt to create pro regions as Ireland has?


Any idea how that would be received by Germans?

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Re: German rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 13 Dec 2018, 08:56

Working Class Rugger wrote:
Any idea how that would be received by Germans?


Concept is absolutely unknown nowadays and there is a reason it left soccer 22 years ago in the adult section. Financing is a problem as those regional identities are normally not similar with the state.

City selections, bolstered with players from regions close by, could be a way to go. Problem is funding. Regional selections are always funded from above. Will be tough to get public money for it, as the clubs in Germany normally get funds granted from the towns or counties. Not so much by the regions or states. In Bavaria the state and the 7 regions probably give less incentives to sport than a normal county. The state only gives money for coaching licences and if you build sport pitches and the surroundings.

But I still think, that this is not a bad next step.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Thu, 13 Dec 2018, 09:53

RugbyLiebe wrote:
Working Class Rugger wrote:
Any idea how that would be received by Germans?


Concept is absolutely unknown nowadays and there is a reason it left soccer 22 years ago in the adult section. Financing is a problem as those regional identities are normally not similar with the state.

City selections, bolstered with players from regions close by, could be a way to go. Problem is funding. Regional selections are always funded from above. Will be tough to get public money for it, as the clubs in Germany normally get funds granted from the towns or counties. Not so much by the regions or states. In Bavaria the state and the 7 regions probably give less incentives to sport than a normal county. The state only gives money for coaching licences and if you build sport pitches and the surroundings.

But I still think, that this is not a bad next step.


In the NRC here we use the respective cities that are the capitals of the participating states and territories with the exception of both NSW and QLD Country who represent a traditional structure. So we have Brisbane and QLD Country instead of the Reds. Sydney and NSW Country instead of the Tahs, Canberra instead of ACT etc.

That would be the model I would like to see used. Look at the capital of each state and base the teams there bolstered by players from teams in the state/region. So instead of Bavaria you'll have Munich etc. but with players sourced from all the clubs in Bavaria. In regarding funding it this is where I hope the World League concept isn't a dud and prove worthwhile as it costs $1.5m AUD a season to run the NRC and we have significant geographical challenges not faced in Germany. So if the World League got up then any monies received could go toward running and hopefully growing such a structure.

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Re: German rugby

Postby linushector » Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 10:34

Apperantly this kid has german heritage

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/brumbies ... -sensation

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Re: German rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 14:08

linushector wrote:Apperantly this kid has german heritage

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/brumbies ... -sensation


Do you have a source for a relevant German heritage?
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: German rugby

Postby linushector » Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 20:39


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Re: German rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 19 Dec 2018, 08:14

linushector wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.couriermail.com.au/sport/rugby/gps-rugby-2018-nudgee-colleges-reesjan-pasitoa-profiled/news-story/e7ae8d1568974d0bcf7233c079d59d35


Do you mind quoting the paragraph as this is behind a pay-wall?
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: German rugby

Postby oldprussians » Mon, 07 Jan 2019, 19:50

Do we know who is the coaching staff?

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Re: German rugby

Postby germanbullsfan » Mon, 07 Jan 2019, 20:38

Dont mind , the german Rugby a 15 is dead since it chopped itself from the Wild Life Supportsystem , and the other one is burning money for nothing

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Re: German rugby

Postby Rugga » Wed, 09 Jan 2019, 17:57

germanbullsfan wrote:Dont mind , the german Rugby a 15 is dead since it chopped itself from the Wild Life Supportsystem , and the other one is burning money for nothing


What’s that mean?

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Re: German rugby

Postby Tobar » Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 02:57

He's saying not to bother caring about the coaching staff because German 15s is dead ever since the Wild Rugby Academy ceased to exist (and gave the NT a high performance setup). I think "the other one" he's referring to is rugby 7s.

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Re: German rugby

Postby germanbullsfan » Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 05:34

Tobar got it

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Re: German rugby

Postby Tobar » Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 16:59

Yes! What do I win?

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Re: German rugby

Postby germanbullsfan » Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 18:47

One weekend all inclusive at your home , congratulations ! :D

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Re: German rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 11:10

Mike Ford stays German head coach

https://www.rugby-verband.de/mike-ford- ... zen-adler/

Preparation for the REC starts "in the next weeks" in Heidelberg and will include a training camp with the Netherlands.

Home games in the REC are:
- March 2nd against Russia in Heidelberg at 3pm
- March 17th against Spain in Cologne at 1 pm
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: German rugby

Postby NedRugby » Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 12:41

RugbyLiebe wrote:Preparation for the REC starts "in the next weeks" in Heidelberg and will include a training camp with the Netherlands.

Interesting. I hadn't heard about that, but it could be good experience for the Dutch team.

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