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Re: German rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 08:53

Rumpelstilzchen wrote:
HDHead wrote:Hey all,

have you heard about the plans of implementing a new European professional championship?
What do you think about it? Wilhelm has informed the german rugby community via Twitter. It seems like 1880 wants to join the competition.

There have been talks about a league like that for years now. I don't see how this could work financially with teams here not even able to compete in the Continental Shield. Focus should be on improving the Bundesliga so that more than one club can slowly develop towards professionalism.


I never understood this logic. The situation is this:

We've got one single club in Germany, Frankfurt 1880, which has everything an international successful club has: sponsors, a really big grassroots and a great youth base with over 300 kids, which happens to be so competitive, that they win tournaments in England and France. They also apparemtly are good enough to form All-Black-material like Anton Segner (https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/anton-segner/ ) And they are not dependent on the expat community like about 50% of all clubs in Germany, but extremely successful in implementing themself in their quarter of Frankfurt. Or in short: a healthy club with potential.

But still Frankfurt 1880 does not have any real influence how the other clubs will evolve. So this club should simply stop were they are? I am not saying that there aren't other clubs which could get up to their level (there are), but nobody should be hindered to reach out for new goals. And developing other clubs is not a goal for a club, but for individual persons or a federation. And afaik individual guys from Frankfurt try to develop other clubs through the federation, which is great.

But the logic Frankfurt shouldn't play on a higher level, because other clubs need to get to their level first, is just flawed.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: German rugby

Postby HDHead » Wed, 11 Dec 2019, 13:04

RugbyLiebe wrote:
I never understood this logic. The situation is this:

We've got one single club in Germany, Frankfurt 1880, which has everything an international successful club has: sponsors, a really big grassroots and a great youth base with over 300 kids, which happens to be so competitive, that they win tournaments in England and France. They also apparemtly are good enough to form All-Black-material like Anton Segner (https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/anton-segner/ ) And they are not dependent on the expat community like about 50% of all clubs in Germany, but extremely successful in implementing themself in their quarter of Frankfurt. Or in short: a healthy club with potential.

But still Frankfurt 1880 does not have any real influence how the other clubs will evolve. So this club should simply stop were they are? I am not saying that there aren't other clubs which could get up to their level (there are), but nobody should be hindered to reach out for new goals. And developing other clubs is not a goal for a club, but for individual persons or a federation. And afaik individual guys from Frankfurt try to develop other clubs through the federation, which is great.

But the logic Frankfurt shouldn't play on a higher level, because other clubs need to get to their level first, is just flawed.


Hey RugbyLiebe,

you are describing some interesting points. But I believe we must get into a deeper analysis to understand 1880s success and its development.
To be honest I totally disagree with you. The most important reason behind 1880s success is Uli Byszios financial engagement.
Uli Byszio is not only investing money into 1880, he has the full financial control about “1880s Rugby employees” (around 16 people I guess). They get paid by him (not by 1880), they are sleeping in “his beds” and are totally dependent on his good will. 1880s main sponsors (that are only providing a small amount of money, compared to Ulis financial support) are mainly good friends of him (e.g. Mr. Gonder). I hope we totally agree, that Uli employees are needed to keep 1880 on track. So maybe you have already identified my main point. 1880 success is not based on a concept nor on strong or sustainable (!!) structures. Its unfortunate to say, but 1880 is totally dependent on Uli Byszio, only he decides what to do. I know Uli is selling something he calls “Frankfurter Konzept” and he does in a persuasive way. But if someone knows the background of his activities, 1880s lustre is getting weak.

Second point: it is also too simple to say that Anton Segner is a product of 1880s great youth program. Anton Segners success is based on his diligence and incomparable professional mindset. As soon as Tim Manuwatu left (his coach), Anton did. He was 15 years old and started playing at the age of 10, I guess.

So, let me ask an important question: How many original 1880 players are part of the 1st Team 1880 squat?

Third point: Uli is president of DRJ and part of DRV Präsidium. If he does not have huge influence on DRVs activities, who does? Uli has not voted against cancelling Germanys participation in the U18 Youth EM and it is unclear whether U16 and U18 DRJ Teams will continue their work in 2020. I strongly believe it is wrong to say that 1880 has not got the ascendancy they need, to take part in a professional European Rugby League.

Finally: Rumpelstilzchen has told us something we need to focus on. It is not sure at all whether such an international league will be established. If so, 1880 should give it a try, as long as they are able to.

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Re: German rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 11 Dec 2019, 15:50

Looks like an interesting discussion building up.

1.)
I was under the impression, that 1880 had attracted enough money to actually pay those coaches. As much as 16 paid guys sound from a regular rugby perspective, my local 5th division soccer club will still have a higher budget, and be assured 1880 even has a higher attendance at their games than that very soccer club. But even if they are still dependent on Byszio, what's the point? EVERY single bloody sports team is dependent on sponsors or benefactors. And there are less reliable ones than a former player of this very club.

2)I hate this negativity prevailing in German rugby. If one of your home-grown players is internationally thought to become an All Black (as rugby pass suggested this very week https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-unkn ... world-cup/ ) it is time to give his home club some props for introducing him to the game and creating an atmosphere where somebody whose parents never really knew what rugby is, seems to be a serious candidate for the best team in the world. What more can a club do than create a surrounding for players who want to go all the way? In my eyes that's what they did.
One can belittle it, but that's a hell of an achievement, from a club with close to no youth in what 15 (?) years?

About the players in the starting team:
I took the lineup for the last Bundesliga game 2019 against Neuenheim:
own youth: Marcel Becker, Emil Rupf, Fritz Segner, Luis Lemperle (all U20), Hassan Rayan, Lukas Deichmann were in the starting line-up.
Of those players I am 100% sure. Don't we have an ex-coach from Frankfurt in this very forum to tell us more or if I missed something?
In my eyes those are solid numbers for a German champion, is this the best possible achievement? No, but as always reality kicks in. Better set goals that you only partly achieve than talking bad about others.

3) this has nothing to do with the club. But I think it is great, that Byszio doesn't keep in the background but gets actively involved in the German youth organisation. Basically a point I always criticized about Wild. Knowing how tough it is to build up a grass roots program, I have nothing but respect for Byszio. If somebody that dedicated as a bonus is willing to spend his money on it and doesn't hesitate to get involved in the tiresome work of a sports offical, that's even better imho. Lets see what is practicable without that money and from my own experience as someone who literally build up a grass roots youth program on my own, there is quite a bit to take from the 1880 setup. As long as somebody comes up who has achieved something like Frankfurt, I trust his judgement even as I've never talked with him.
There is no official announcement about any youth teams not taking part in a Euro competition. If this should happen, we will see.

I 100% agree on your last paragraph.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: German rugby

Postby sanitycheck » Thu, 12 Dec 2019, 12:04

RugbyLiebe wrote:
About the players in the starting team:
I took the lineup for the last Bundesliga game 2019 against Neuenheim:
own youth: Marcel Becker, Emil Rupf, Fritz Segner, Luis Lemperle (all U20), Hassan Rayan, Lukas Deichmann were in the starting line-up.
Of those players I am 100% sure. Don't we have an ex-coach from Frankfurt in this very forum to tell us more or if I missed something?
In my eyes those are solid numbers for a German champion, is this the best possible achievement? No, but as always reality kicks in. Better set goals that you only partly achieve than talking bad about others.

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That would be me.

Having been involved in the club for a couple of years in both Seniors and Youth, I can tell you it is a very well oiled machine that has had its growing pains since its inception nearly 10 years ago . Even after I had left I heard that it had changed even more (for the positive ) to iron out some of the necessary challenges that pop up in all rugby clubs.

The second season after I had left saw the first of the U18s come through that was at the beginning of the youth project. Names already mentioned Becker, Rupf, Segner, Lemperle had all come through that group of players (there are many others, I believe that a total of 42 players have been used so far in this first round of the BL - MANY of those former youth players from the last 5 years) , and for them to step into a team mixed with some long term veterans of the team that also came out of the youth of the club plus the reinforcements , then to win the competition is quite an achievement. Some other names that have been used this season from the youth the last few years are Oliver Stein, Phillip Grimm, brother Max Grimm and Johan Niederberger then when you mix that in with names like Jens Listmann, Hassan Rayan, Lukas Deichmann and Franzi Schroeter, it makes up quite a healthy base of youth developed players. When Frankfurt was in their "pro" days so to speak in the late 2000's early 2010's they won the comp with predominantly foreign professionals. The model changed to focus on youth development and its starting to reap the benefits now - and will only get better.

Regarding Anton Segner, he didn't "leave" because Tim Manawatu left, his plan was always to go to NZ to do a year away on exchange and hopefully make the first XV, naturally us as the coaching group could see his potential and didn't rule out higher honors - and this came to fruition, he was already on Scott Robertson's radar even before he was selected for the first xv. The kid dedicated and applied himself to rugby the moment he started up in U12s (a couple of years before my time). He was podgy, overweight and unfit . He quit drinking soft drink, ate healthy and trained his ass off with a healthy mix of skill work and fitness on off training days - totally dedicating himself to his craft. On the days he didnt have team training, he would run laps of the running track while other teams trained on the pitch. Then when he was old enough he got in the gym. On top of that, he is an exceptional individual off the pitch, good nature, positive attitude, works hard outside of rugby in his schooling, no ego, coachable and always striving to improve - no surprise he was named Captain of the 1st XV. SC1880 can most certainly take a lot of credit for his early development and providing him an environment to achieve and the connections to be able to take the next step- the Manawatu brothers in particular did great work with him over a long period of time. Going to NZ has only springboarded his development and he is thriving in the near professional environments he is in. Anton set the goal years ago and he is well on the way to achieving it.

To suggest that Uli Byzsio's financial involvement is the sole success of the project is a bit disingenuous - yes , it helps but it is not the be all and end all . There is a really dedicated group of coaches/managers and parents that have all bought into the vision and the "long game" of the payoff is slowly slowly coming. Look at Berliner RC (BRC) youth dept , they have one full timer and whilst they haven't had the same on field success "internationally" so to speak that 1880 has had, they have always been the arch rival/nemesis of 1880 over many years sharing German champ titles between them. Their model is different to 1880's but the spine of the success still relies on coaches/managers and parents to buy in .

Im in Sweden now, and at the (literally) very ground level of a youth project here with big focus on building from the ground up and I am implementing many of the things I learned at 1880 within the obvious differing constraints and challenges that the rugby environment here offers hopefully replicating the project around Sweden to increase youth participation in the game. Building a youth department is not easy, so you can only take your hat off to what 1880 has achieved since it turned its focus to youth.
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Re: German rugby

Postby novac » Thu, 12 Dec 2019, 13:22

At the moment there are three championships played between european Clubs: Champions Cup, Challenge Cup and the Continental Shield. In the Continental Shield there should take part teams from Italy, Georgia, Romania, Russia, Spain, Portugal, Germany and Belgium. This year there were only four teams from Italy, one from Georgia and one from Belgium plus the two teams from Challenge Cup, the russians from Enisey and romanians from Timisoara. How is this Continental Shield working? Last year there was also Heidelberg RK from Germany. Why there was no team from Germany this year? Why Frankfurt didn't play in the Continental Shield? Or will they play next year?

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Re: German rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 12 Dec 2019, 13:30

There is no Continental Shield no longer. There will be something new apparently starting in April with Frankfurt involved.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Rumpelstilzchen » Thu, 12 Dec 2019, 17:15

So now that there is a bit more information about this new league I'm more supportive of it. There is no problem with teams seeking some thougher opposition and with a 14-game regular Bundesliga season there should be plenty of time for a continental cup format. This is different to Frankfurt entirely leaving the Bundesliga.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Platonese » Tue, 17 Dec 2019, 18:42

At the moment Frankfurt is the only club in german rugby which could afford the expenses of such a competition (travel, hotel, "monday off" etc). Many first division clubs still struggle with the costs of 7 or 8 "one-day-bus-trips" per season.

All in all it would be great to have a competetive tier-3-club-tournament. This would obviously not bring in any money, because the product is not worth it from a sponsors point of view. But it would definetly raise the level of match quality and therefore prepare team in the long term for a possible start in the Challenge Cup.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Rumpelstilzchen » Tue, 17 Dec 2019, 22:42

Platonese wrote:Many first division clubs still struggle with the costs of 7 or 8 "one-day-bus-trips" per season.

Which is absolutely ridiculous. Teams in the Bavarian 3rd and 4th league have longer distances than Bundesliga clubs and they're not struggling.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Saracenswulfpackdef » Tue, 24 Dec 2019, 08:15

Continental Club Rugby League („CCRL“) from a German point of view
Additional facts from Russian media not mentioned in the thread on t2rugby dedicated to this topic:
1. The importance to avoid lopsided matches was stressed.
2. Something bigger, a league like stated in the working title, was explicitly stated as the underlying aim. Meaning a round robin rather than this initial knock-out schedule.
3. One source indeed mentioned a „Belgian team – Kirumo“ as the last participant, not named in the initial press release and statements.
4. All this is upon us with a backdrop of modifications in the tier1 world, where access for the two Italian franchises to the highest level will solely be on a meritocratic basis. Not a guaranteed seed for at least one of them.
5. And, on top of that, ideas floating to convert the current two layer European competition into a league. In one design with three layers of 12 teams each with Pro14, Top14, and the Englisch premiership being equally represented in each of them (away from the current pool and knock-out phases.) So no guest places any more like the ones for Calvisano and Enissey in the future.
6. A sponsor for subsequent seasons still has to be found.
Thanks to Manuel Wilhelm and Mathias Haase, both of (or renowned experts on) the German federation, for breaking the news domestically without much further ado.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Saracenswulfpackdef » Tue, 24 Dec 2019, 08:21

A few remarks:

The results of each club playing in a higher system has historically been poor. Besides few upsets against Stade Francais or Worcester. Or that infamous odyssey of Connaught to Siberia a couple of years ago.
This would have been a problem as well, had the German team not been stripped of their place in the lower echelon of the European club competition (The European Rugby Challenge Cup. The Heidelberg Titans aka Heidelberger Ruderklub were replaced by the European club federation, Calvisano lined up for the 2019/20 season instead.)
It is the same for Russian or Romanian sides in the Challenge Cup or for German and Belgian sides now mixing with the main CCRL teams – for a few matches their squad is not up to the required standards (half a dozen matches for the Challenge Cup, perhaps only two for the CCRL.) Parachuting in some extras of higher quality just for these games is not that productive. As the matches are spread across different parts of the season. Therefore the time for a team to gel is lacking.
That obstacle might be why point1 above was made. It is noteworthy that the more meaningful contribution for the Titans were not players seconded from other German clubs. But specialists from abroad like O’Grady, Riekert, Human, or Tongan world cup player Siegfried Fisi’ihoi. It remains to be seen how SC Frankfurt 1880 with its New Zealand ties will go about this. A local challenger, BSC Offenbach, is upping their standards with a lot of players from France.

To add to 3.: Perhaps the name of the Belgian participant is meant to be Royal Kituro Avia Schaerbeek RC. It had the prowess to participate in cross border competitions before.

Points 4. and 5. illustrate the logic of this proto league. To be the incubator for an Eastern European kind of Top14 league. The needs of Mediterranean clubs do not fit with the necessity of Russians ones to use more summer months (which was convincingly argued in the main tread.) Georgian, German and Benelux sides seem likely to be more malleable in this respect.
For Romania, Russia and eventually Georgia such a league would mean that everybody who is in, would not do much else all year. And the clubs out would lose all of their best players to those top sides.
On that scale, there is another obstacle for Mediterranean teams: How many competitive sides could they muster to play at that level. (The initial one discussed being that the timing of the new competition is geared to Russian needs. And therefore stretching into the summer break elsewhere.)
That applies as well in the case of Italy due to the draining of the player pool by their Pro14 sides Zebre and Treviso.
Sending just one combined side was not a lasting concept in the case of Romania and Belgium in the past. An obvious problem here is the lack of tradition and identification.
Apart from the Georgian players such stints sometimes do not work out at all. How many games did Romanian ace Catalin Fercu actually play in the first team in 2014/15 when at Saracens?
And how much does it help the Georgian international side if 20 to 30 of their props benefit from a pro contract in France or an English speaking nation? While nobody bothers with their backline hopefuls.

What is missing is a bit of clarity on Georgia. Yes, so many of their players are employed abroad. But Batumi, a local side, was not a pushover in the European Shield at all. Beating the eventual winner, the Titans, at home. Local Georgian talent might prosper in such a theatre and add a lot.
To people close to Georgia, the talking point is predominantly the participation of a national representative team in the Currie Cup. Schedules are out of sync with Europe. So that team would have to draw on local players as well. Employees of the pro leagues could only be available if their, say French club, would not really need them at the moment and would see the best use of them in lending them away to get them some playing time (like it is frequently done in England. But who would pick up the compensation for that?)

Eastern Europeans players in the CCRL would be exposed to a higher, denser level of competition. In the case of Russia that would matter in particular. Since there is sufficient money in their club game, much fewer of their top player go abroad to play in the three tier1 pro leagues. So the horizon can do with some widening.
So some boxes would therefore be ticked for the three big Eastern European nations with such a league. Quite a step forward. Their forward dominated playing styles are pretty similar however. A bit less perhaps for Russia. See their success in sevens when it was a priority. That should be a driver to look across the continent in a Western direction.
But for the inaugural eight participants it will initially be two to seven challenging games with the actual number depending on their respective competitiveness.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 24 Dec 2019, 09:30

The possibility of having a Belgian team was mentioned un the official announcement. It said the 8th entrant is meant to be either Belgian or a 3rd Romanian side.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Tue, 24 Dec 2019, 11:53

Is there a possibility of having two German teams eventually? Heidelberger and Frankfurt.
Russia are set on having 4 teams. Romania have 4 strong teams: Timisoara, Stiinta Baia Mare, Dinamo Bucuresti and Steaua Bucuresti. With a team each from Georgia and Belgium, that's 12 teams, which is a good number for a league.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Tiernster » Tue, 24 Dec 2019, 18:05

Medium term would teams from this league move back to Epcr, the traditional calender would need to change slightly but maybe swapping the December weeks to October /November and January to March would actually be enough.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Chester-Donnelly » Tue, 24 Dec 2019, 19:12

Tiernster wrote:Medium term would teams from this league move back to Epcr, the traditional calender would need to change slightly but maybe swapping the December weeks to October /November and January to March would actually be enough.


The problem with that is it would clash with the internationals. So as to not clash with the November internationals or the Six Nations / Rugby European Cup, and not fall in the Continental winter, the league needs to be held after March and before mid-October.

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Re: German rugby

Postby STMKY » Wed, 25 Dec 2019, 07:04

The ideal climate option is from April to October. It can fit 25 weeks. Playing in November, December and March is stupid given that there will be many Russian clubs and organizers from Russia. This will be not a problem for clubs from Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and Romania.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 27 Dec 2019, 04:08

STMKY wrote:The ideal climate option is from April to October. It can fit 25 weeks. Playing in November, December and March is stupid given that there will be many Russian clubs and organizers from Russia. This will be not a problem for clubs from Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and Romania.


Ideally, I'd like to see this league align with the likes of SR, MLR and the SLAR with the REC moved to the same window as both the RC and ARC. Mainly because I think it could open up the opportunity to include more teams in say the RC via a promotion/regulation set up. Have a 7 team RC with the current 4 plus Japan and Fiji and the next highest ranked team outside of the 6Ns. Which I think would be Georgia. Six games each. Two games then a week break followed by another two games and another week break. Whichever regional championship they come from the next best team would be promoted for that year.

Have the ARC and REC play out their schedules and have the top 3 progress into a 8 team (including Samoa and Tonga) knockout competition in November with the winner playing the bottom ranked RC team in the 4th week for the chance to go up.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Raven » Fri, 27 Dec 2019, 16:49

Chester-Donnelly wrote:Is there a possibility of having two German teams eventually? Heidelberger and Frankfurt.
Russia are set on having 4 teams. Romania have 4 strong teams: Timisoara, Stiinta Baia Mare, Dinamo Bucuresti and Steaua Bucuresti. With a team each from Georgia and Belgium, that's 12 teams, which is a good number for a league.


I don´t think there´s an interest from Wild to repeat what he did with HRK in previous years. German Rugby is stuck in a bit of a pickle right now, the relegation to the Trophy, the unavailability of many names we had gotten used to seeing (some due to retirement, or because they stepped down of the international stage), lack of funds for the entire national programme... (they are even asking for individuals to help fund German Rugby https://www.rugby-verband.de/jetzt-auch ... ertuetzen/ which is a noble idea, but strange given the grade of success they had achieved at some point)

It is now down to the Sevens team to bring some positive results, hopefully, to keep the general interest up. Having the Oktoberfest 7s again would help, but nothing has yet been announced ( https://oktoberfest7s.com/ ), I think by this time last year we already knew the 7s were going to happen in 2019...

If they could find a way to have a Polish, German, Belgian and Dutch league somehow, it would be great and I think less money / travel demanding.

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Re: German rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 16 Jan 2020, 16:22

Germany has a new XV national coach setup with the two South Africans Melvine Smith and Byron Schmidt.

https://www.rugby-verband.de/neues-trai ... rzen-adler

The test matches against Switzerland (Feb 29th) and Lithuania (March 21st) will be played both in Heidelberg.
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Re: German rugby

Postby Vultureblack » Sun, 19 Jan 2020, 06:33

Bissio - is that the bloke of Frankfurt 1880? Now giving interviews in Russian.
https://rugger.info/news/30562
January 12, 2020
"Ulrich Bissio: 'By the end of the third year we hope to win this tournament»
We spoke with the President of the Frankfurt 1880 club about the Continental club Rugby League starting in April this year.
In the debut season, clubs from Russia, Romania and Germany will participate in the tournament.
Mr. Bissio how do you feel about the emergence of the League, what you see in it prospects for your club?
– We are very excited to take part in this tournament. We are sure that it will have high standards and we will have to work hard to compete with other teams. But the fact that the tournament opens up new horizons is very good for the development of our game. The prospect of meeting opponents from different countries is interesting, because each has its own style.
What impact can the League have on the development of German and European Rugby?
– I think we needed a similar tournament in Germany to raise the level of our players. The more game styles the participating team meets on the way, the higher its level will become. I think that the Continental League will find support in Germany and will arouse great interest among players from all over the country.
Fighting in this tournament will be an additional incentive for the growth of teams in your national championship?
- Playing at a higher level will give German Rugby players more ambition and motivation to improve their professionalism. If World Rugby is really determined to develop the game, rather than specific tournaments, then the League will become of great importance not only in Germany, but throughout Europe. I really hope that both World Rugby and Rugby Europe will support this initiative.
Which of the famous participants in the opening draw have you met? Who are your favorites?
– As a club-with none of the declared teams. But we have players from the Rotherham Titans who have successfully participated in the Challenge Cup when they had the opportunity.
We see Russian teams as the strongest and favorites in this tournament. However, I think that if we are a little lucky and have enough time, we will be able to compete with them and even upset them a couple of times.
There are several months left before the start of the tournament, and most of this time will be in the winter. How will you prepare, on what bases? Will you become Legionnaires especially for the games of the Continental League?
– We are lucky because we have a 4G field where you can train in the winter. At this time we will focus on basic skills and physical shape to be sure that you will be able to compete at this level. To strengthen our game, we signed several players, including one Rugby League star. This should raise the level of Frankfurt. I really hope that over these months, our team will become even stronger.
What are your goals for the tournament? Which place will you consider a success?
– I think that the first year will be difficult to judge. I remember how the Titans struggled in their debut year in the Continental Shield, and in the third season they played in the final. So now it's important for us to make sure that we are able to compete in matches and see what we need to improve to move forward. For Frankfurt, participation in the League is a three – year project. By the end of the third year, we hope to win the tournament. This is a big statement, but we believe in Germany and that everything is possible under the right conditions.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Saracenswulfpackdef » Sun, 19 Jan 2020, 06:59

Yep, Bissio, that's the one indeed. Make no mistake because of that look of an aged surfer dude. He's got a PhD. And in his pomp, he was quite an athlete. Helped his country to acquit herself well at the Hong Kong sevens. Money wise he is not Dr. Wild, but not a beach bum either.

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Re: German rugby

Postby Saracenswulfpackdef » Sun, 19 Jan 2020, 09:17

And did not somebody write on the forum dedicated to the Continental Club competition, that the whole thing is called off? Old farts like Simon Halliday and his federation being obstinate again like they had been with the Heidelberg Titans?

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Re: German rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sun, 19 Jan 2020, 11:14

Saracenswulfpackdef wrote:And did not somebody write on the forum dedicated to the Continental Club competition, that the whole thing is called off? Old farts like Simon Halliday and his federation being obstinate again like they had been with the Heidelberg Titans?


Yeah. Strange that those involved are actively talking about the upcoming comp while there are supposed rumours of its demise. Certainly doesn't seem so.

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Re: German rugby

Postby suofficer » Fri, 31 Jan 2020, 11:18

A bit off topic, but we are going to Cologne on tour this summer from London. The tour operator has mucked us around quite a bit as we have requested a friday night game. They have finally come back and offered us Aachen. It seems to be about an hour drive away from Cologne , we play in Level 6 here in England. We are looking for a good game, not a high level one. But something to base tour around. How do you think that opposition sounds ? also any reccommendations for bars in cologne....

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Re: German rugby

Postby Raven » Fri, 31 Jan 2020, 13:29

I´ll PM you mate.

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