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Re: USA Rugby

Postby ihateblazers » Sat, 18 Mar 2017, 00:03

Interesting that the Strikers are a new franchise rather than an established club. That should leave the competition with flexibility to select clubs. It will allow teams to be set up in Sacramento and Obetz Ohio as mentioned before if a group of backers were interested.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Sat, 18 Mar 2017, 04:37

ihateblazers wrote:Interesting that the Strikers are a new franchise rather than an established club. That should leave the competition with flexibility to select clubs. It will allow teams to be set up in Sacramento and Obetz Ohio as mentioned before if a group of backers were interested.


The Strikers will be an interesting case study when it comes to building out an entire organization from professional side to youth outreach.

Although they are not currently a club, did some digging awhile ago and they have an alumni base. The Strikers name is one of a defunct club that was in Houston.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby ihateblazers » Sat, 18 Mar 2017, 08:20

TheStroBro wrote:
ihateblazers wrote:Interesting that the Strikers are a new franchise rather than an established club. That should leave the competition with flexibility to select clubs. It will allow teams to be set up in Sacramento and Obetz Ohio as mentioned before if a group of backers were interested.


The Strikers will be an interesting case study when it comes to building out an entire organization from professional side to youth outreach.

Although they are not currently a club, did some digging awhile ago and they have an alumni base. The Strikers name is one of a defunct club that was in Houston.


It could be a model to follow. It could possibly allow USA Rugby to decentralise the development pathways. They could offer elite coaching resources, facilities and possibly funding in the future. I don't think that an official academy​would be needed but a youth programme funneling through the schools and local clubs could eventually Morphy into one, in rugby you don't really need acadmies as long as the local schools and clubs are adequately run.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sat, 18 Mar 2017, 11:24

ihateblazers wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:
ihateblazers wrote:Interesting that the Strikers are a new franchise rather than an established club. That should leave the competition with flexibility to select clubs. It will allow teams to be set up in Sacramento and Obetz Ohio as mentioned before if a group of backers were interested.


The Strikers will be an interesting case study when it comes to building out an entire organization from professional side to youth outreach.

Although they are not currently a club, did some digging awhile ago and they have an alumni base. The Strikers name is one of a defunct club that was in Houston.


It could be a model to follow. It could possibly allow USA Rugby to decentralise the development pathways. They could offer elite coaching resources, facilities and possibly funding in the future. I don't think that an official academy​would be needed but a youth programme funneling through the schools and local clubs could eventually Morphy into one, in rugby you don't really need acadmies as long as the local schools and clubs are adequately run.


The pyramid model they've made public shows an intent to do something along those lines. It's something every one of the clubs involved should be doing. Looking to muster every High School and College club within their state or region under their banner. A way of doing this would be to actively run clinics for players and coaches alike focusing on skill and game development. Regular contact has a huge effect when drawing interest and support.

This would also include working with these clubs to develop action plans designed around growing their participation numbers.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby ihateblazers » Sat, 18 Mar 2017, 15:03

Working Class Rugger wrote:

The pyramid model they've made public shows an intent to do something along those lines. It's something every one of the clubs involved should be doing. Looking to muster every High School and College club within their state or region under their banner. A way of doing this would be to actively run clinics for players and coaches alike focusing on skill and game development. Regular contact has a huge effect when drawing interest and support.

This would also include working with these clubs to develop action plans designed around growing their participation numbers.


http://www.thisisamericanrugby.com/2013 ... e.html?m=1

I knew that Houston rang a bell. I remember reading about this and it is a pretty similar concept. Same idea of collaborating with local clubs and schools. Should also add Rugby Utah as another franchise which is attempting something similar.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby 4N » Sat, 18 Mar 2017, 19:10

Tony Ridnell‏ @tonyridnell

The moral crisis I face wrt my @TheRugbyChannel subscription is formidable. Feel obligated to support,but even for $5,what value?@USARugby


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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sat, 18 Mar 2017, 20:47

Fair to say I got it completely wrong about Rindell and USAR conspiring together to undermine PRO. Either that or he has had a recent falling out with them? If he is affiliated to the Major league project then he needs to be a bit more professional in his dealings with the union.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Sat, 18 Mar 2017, 23:42

Tony considers himself a change agent for USA Rugby. He wants our Union to move forward and on a sustainable path to grow the game and be a Tier 1 Nation.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby The Captain's Run » Sat, 18 Mar 2017, 23:57

Bruce_ma_goose wrote:Fair to say I got it completely wrong about Rindell and USAR conspiring together to undermine PRO. Either that or he has had a recent falling out with them? If he is affiliated to the Major league project then he needs to be a bit more professional in his dealings with the union.


I don't think Ridnell is associated with MLR in any official way. He's essentially just a blogger, whose writing primarily consists of critiques and attempts to instigate change from USA Rugby. This isn't a falling out; it's par for the course.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sun, 19 Mar 2017, 02:01

The Captain's Run wrote:
Bruce_ma_goose wrote:Fair to say I got it completely wrong about Rindell and USAR conspiring together to undermine PRO. Either that or he has had a recent falling out with them? If he is affiliated to the Major league project then he needs to be a bit more professional in his dealings with the union.


I don't think Ridnell is associated with MLR in any official way. He's essentially just a blogger, whose writing primarily consists of critiques and attempts to instigate change from USA Rugby. This isn't a falling out; it's par for the course.


Fairly certain while TR has a direct line to those behind the MLR he isn't actually associated with it.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby 4N » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 00:28

It's not just Ridnell speaking out. This is from the most famous American rugby coach in history probably, Cal-Berkeley's Jack Clark:

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 02:23

4N wrote:It's not just Ridnell speaking out. This is from the most famous American rugby coach in history probably, Cal-Berkeley's Jack Clark:

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https://m.facebook.com/tonyridnell/post ... 3902235528


Jack sounds a lot like my college coach, no confidence in the men who run USAR as it is just an old boys club. Same at the SRO level. In another sport Jack's voice would send tremors into the earth.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Coloradoan » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 15:51

RIM has been a huge failure. How many subscriptions to the Rugby Channel can they possibly have? And their handling of events so far underwhelms.

In more positive news, Taufete'e signs a long term deal with Worcester: http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/sport/wr ... _Warriors/

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 20:45

Coloradoan wrote:RIM has been a huge failure. How many subscriptions to the Rugby Channel can they possibly have? And their handling of events so far underwhelms.

In more positive news, Taufete'e signs a long term deal with Worcester: http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/sport/wr ... _Warriors/


Ridnell is quoting the subscription base at 7-8,000. Which doesn't cover the cost of licensing the 6N live, Aviva, or Super. Aviva's fee for broadcast here was $400k.

ETA: Notes on Collegiate Rugby Championships from Pat Clifton-http://www.rugbytoday.com/college/cliff-notes-thoughts-varsity-cup-d1a-utah-arizona-state

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 15:39

Local news profile on the Houston Strikers: http://www.chron.com/sports/article/Houston-rugby-league-looking-to-build-a-stadium-11019505.php

At the end of the article Turner notes that there are ten teams, who is the 10th team. And two more, if you get a southern west coast team that would be awesome.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby iul » Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 16:59

TheStroBro wrote:Local news profile on the Houston Strikers: http://www.chron.com/sports/article/Houston-rugby-league-looking-to-build-a-stadium-11019505.php

At the end of the article Turner notes that there are ten teams, who is the 10th team. And two more, if you get a southern west coast team that would be awesome.

They should add a couple of Canadian teams as well. 12 teams is perfect for a league.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Coloradoan » Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 17:25

Long term, absolutely. Short term I think there would be some competitive balance issues with Canadian talent basically spread over 2 teams and American talent spread over 10 teams (plus anyone not moving to one of those 10 teams, which is obviously a real issue as it didn't happen all the time in PRO either). Plus, the Canadian provinces need to make sure they're able to handle it off the field as well.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Buffalo » Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 18:30

There's no club team in Canada who could afford to pay players and take on the travel costs that would be associated with MLR. Even the CRC teams have little to no money currently. Though if any teams could eventually get the investment to participate it's probably the BC Bears and Ontario Blues.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby grande » Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 20:00

That being said, I'm super jazzed for the Ontario/Glendale game coming up.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby jonny24 » Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 23:25

Dammit, I'm won't even be able to watch that game, I'm in Barcelona that weekend.
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Re: USA Rugby

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby cardiffrcm » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 21:04

Coloradoan wrote:Glendale-BYU stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-x7FSfG2q0


Good to see Ben Landry back playing rugby.

Also good to see Nick Boyer back from injury; surely the long term answer as the Eagles scrum half.

The Raptors have Boyer, Shaun Davies and Timoteo on their books, and their fly halves are Holder and Magie. Plenty of depth.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Coloradoan » Sat, 25 Mar 2017, 23:34

cardiffrcm wrote:
Coloradoan wrote:Glendale-BYU stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-x7FSfG2q0


Good to see Ben Landry back playing rugby.

Also good to see Nick Boyer back from injury; surely the long term answer as the Eagles scrum half.

The Raptors have Boyer, Shaun Davies and Timoteo on their books, and their fly halves are Holder and Magie. Plenty of depth.


The true long term answers at 9 for the Eagles may be a bit younger. Very impressed by what I've seen from Cal's young scrumhalf Keanu Andrade. And Ruben de Haas has impressed as well.

Definitely good to see Landry back but the Eagles have a lot more depth at lock now than the last time he was playing. Never hurts to have talented athletes pushing for places though.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby Coloradoan » Sun, 26 Mar 2017, 03:08

Watched Cal-St Mary's. Quite a bit of young talent out there. SMC's prop Payton Talea was dominant in the scrum against Cal and was quite the handful with ball in hand as well. He's only a freshman so one to keep an eye on for the future. A couple freshmen stood out for Cal as well. Keanu Andrade had a good game at 9 and Sam Cusano had a good game on the wing. These are all guys who should be in the U20s, but who knows if Cal and SMC players will play U20s this year.

Entertaining match the SMC won 27-24. Their first win in Berkeley in over 40 years.

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Re: USA Rugby

Postby TheStroBro » Sun, 26 Mar 2017, 05:22

If only there was good governance over collegiate Rugby...

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