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2023 Rugby World Cup Host

2023 Rugby World Cup host

South Africa
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23%
Ireland
15
21%
Italy
32
45%
France
8
11%
 
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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby NaBUru38 » Sun, 24 Sep 2017, 00:37

I doubt that Asians, Africans or South Americans will vote for Ireland. Neither will tier 2 Europe.

They only have the Home Nations, United States, Canada and perhaps New Zealand.

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby Horsehead » Mon, 25 Sep 2017, 07:37

When is this decision made?

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby Thomas » Mon, 25 Sep 2017, 08:42

15th of November

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby sk 88 » Mon, 25 Sep 2017, 11:50

I think the technical committee is announcing a recommended bidder around 10th of October (don't quote me on that just rings a bell) it then goes to a vote. Its expected that the recommendation will win as the process was designed to try and stop/limit the horse trading of votes.

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby Thomas » Mon, 25 Sep 2017, 12:49

According to the World Rugby site:

The timetable is as follows:

25 September 2017 Bid presentations at World Rugby council meeting ( TODAY)
31 October 2017 Recommendation of World Rugby council based on the Evaluation report
15 November 2017 World Rugby announces host for the 2023 Rugby World Cup

https://www.worldrugby.org/news/252669

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby eal22 » Mon, 25 Sep 2017, 13:50

South Africa hosting the 2023 tournament is probably their best chance of qualifying at this point.

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Mon, 25 Sep 2017, 13:53

Yes, the torment of being just 3rd in the world and having lost just once this year. I think they will survive. :p

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby Figaro » Mon, 25 Sep 2017, 14:36

Bruce_ma_goose wrote:Yes, the torment of being just 3rd in the world and having lost just once this year. I think they will survive. :p


They would have to finish below 3rd in their 2019 group, which would require being beaten by Italy and either Namibia or the Repechage Winner.

Then, they would need to lose to Namibia AND the repechage winner to miss out on qualification to 2023.

If that happened, they'd be fondly reminiscing about the days when they were competitive against Japan for 80 minutes!

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Mon, 25 Sep 2017, 15:04

It could be a fair point for France. 4th in their group is not completely unthinkable (although extremely unlikely).

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby Thomas » Tue, 31 Oct 2017, 12:25

South Africa has been recommended to host the 2023 Rugby World Cup ahead of Ireland and France, the tournament's organising board has announced.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/41814037

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby germanbullsfan » Tue, 31 Oct 2017, 12:45

Big mistake ! Obviously they dont have any idea of the social and political situation in this country!

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby sk 88 » Tue, 31 Oct 2017, 13:23

Reading the document I think France might still be the favourite.

They are scored down for the Olympics being the year after (fair), for anti-doping being illegal so risking arrests for doping offenses(!!!) (yes that is seriously in the document as a bad thing), and for wishing to use Tier 2 officials as 4th officials and time keepers (!!!). They are also scored down slightly because St Ettienne does not have enough hotel capacity.

Their ticketing proposal is the best and so is their main finance package.


As an aside I stayed in Lyon during Euro 2016 and went to see Portugal v Iceland in St Ettienne, despite the match not kicking off until 9 at night I still got back to Lyon by 2 in the morning or so and it was fine. Travel time wise it was actually quicker getting to the stadium in St Ettienne than the new Lyon stadium!!!

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby Osmanperalta » Tue, 31 Oct 2017, 13:55

I think i was the only one who supported France (many rugby stadiums redevelopment) and Ireland did not see much of a legacy to our sport with the GAA stadiums and South Africa well with all its "political problems" (every fuckin.g country in the world have) for me is a good option.
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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby olivier » Tue, 31 Oct 2017, 17:26

Amazing decision ! SA ? Really ? They were close to give up months ago ! It seems venues did the difference for SA.

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby eal22 » Tue, 31 Oct 2017, 17:43

SA is the correct choice, Europe has had plenty of World Cups, South Africa will have waited 28 years by the time 2023 comes around.

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby olivier » Tue, 31 Oct 2017, 17:54

It seems France is worse noted than SA in venues because they are primary football venues with inadequate pitch size and possible conflict with football clubs. Fair point but stadiums are more modern ones by far...

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby BigG » Tue, 31 Oct 2017, 19:41

I have nothing against SA, but it is too far from Georgia, therefore a trip would be very expensive. Damn, I hoped about Europe to attend WC for the first time in my life.

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Tue, 31 Oct 2017, 23:07

NaBUru38 wrote:I doubt that Asians, Africans or South Americans will vote for Ireland. Neither will tier 2 Europe.

They only have the Home Nations, United States, Canada and perhaps New Zealand.


Not true, i was looking forward for France 2023. Best choice was france because of higher standard management, better stadiums.
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Many other things.

Anyways RSA 2023! They must try their best.

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 01 Nov 2017, 01:41

It's still pretty up in the air between France and South Africa. To be fair though it was kinda always going to come down to them, as much as there's passion in the Irish bid the other two countries have venues in place that could host the tournament tomorrow. Ireland would have to spend hundreds of million of dollars to upgrade a lot of their existing venues. Of their 12 venues only about half would satisfy the minimum requirements needed. In all honesty the Irish bid is commendable, but it's more about heart than it is about practicality. Right now I will say France is the best option. I expect all the European votes to go to them.

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby dropkick » Wed, 01 Nov 2017, 03:05

thatrugbyguy wrote:It's still pretty up in the air between France and South Africa. To be fair though it was kinda always going to come down to them, as much as there's passion in the Irish bid the other two countries have venues in place that could host the tournament tomorrow. Ireland would have to spend hundreds of million of dollars to upgrade a lot of their existing venues. Of their 12 venues only about half would satisfy the minimum requirements needed. In all honesty the Irish bid is commendable, but it's more about heart than it is about practicality. Right now I will say France is the best option. I expect all the European votes to go to them.



They're not the most sophisticated stadiums in the world yet there are plenty of stadiums over 40,000 capacity and only needed to be used for a few weeks that the tournament lasts.


There were complaints from some of the Irish bidding team that the stadiums were judged now and the government guarantee to upgrade stadiums wasn't taken into account.


What it does show is that small countries are wasting their time bidding in future. NZ might be the last of the small countries to host a world cup.


The weather and hotel prices should be more of a problem for an Irish bid.


Leaving Ireland aside, I'm surprised SA were ahead of France.


The unions have yet to vote and they might decide different. SA is isolated, have a high crime rate, a dodgy government and racial quotas.

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 01 Nov 2017, 04:10

I actually think you're correct about the small countries.

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby fullbackace » Wed, 01 Nov 2017, 07:04

sk 88 wrote:Reading the document I think France might still be the favourite.

for anti-doping being illegal so risking arrests for doping offenses(!!!) , and for wishing to use Tier 2 officials as 4th officials and time keepers (!!!).


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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby sk 88 » Wed, 01 Nov 2017, 08:32

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On the anit-doping point, given the unions run this risk at any 6N game, autumn international or Champions Cup game I don't really see why its suddenly a concern at RWC time. Unless this is the unions basically admitting they dope during a RWC?

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby germanbullsfan » Wed, 01 Nov 2017, 08:40

For a further promotion of rugby in Germany and the other central europe countrys its important that France gets the Rugby Europe Vote

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Re: 2023 Rugby World Cup Host

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 01 Nov 2017, 09:34

Shouldn't World Rugby be the ones trying to give Tier 2 officials World Cup experience? Why the hell is it the Union taking this step?

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