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Postby martin.dunham » Tue, 22 Apr 2014, 15:30

Based off ARFU facebook page it looks like Div1 is reverting back to a semi-final/final format (opposed to round robin like last 2 years - used as RWC qualifying)...what a shame. (Source: https://www.facebook.com/events/1480292528849492)

Apr 23, 730pm (local) is Singapore at UAE in one semi-final for Div 1. From the Gulf Rugby Paper, shared onto ARFU's wall:

The Bill McLaren events are over, the season has officially ended and the M&Y have even had their last weekend training, so now it is time for the International matches to take the stage.
For Qatar, we wait for May, but for the UAE it is Wednesday the 23rd of April.
UAE will be playing Singapore at the 7evens at 7.30 pm, in what is becoming an ever more historical footnote in the history of UAE and Gulf rugby.
What happens after this game in terms of A5N hierarchy at this stage, no one is at all sure, but the players themselves will not be overly concerned. Such new beginnings for the UAE will also be one step at a time and Singapore will be a tricky enough encounter as it is.
The squad has been officially announced and within contains 5 Emirati players,
The 24-man squad, representing the UAE against Singapore on Wednesday is;

Forwards:
Ali Ghulam Shaheen
Adam Telford Jebel Ali Dragons
Jay Danielson Abu Dhabi Saracens
Mohamed Hassan Arabian Knights
Rossouw van Dijk Arabian Knights
Joe Cooper Jebel Ali Dragons
Mark Weissenborn Dubai Hurricanes
Graham Murphy Abu Dhabi Harlequins
Pete Sampson Abu Dhabi Saracens
Riaan Boshoff Abu Dhabi Saracens
James Parker Dubai Hurricanes
Chris Jones-Griffiths Abu Dhabi Harlequins
Daniel Minks Jebel Ali Dragons

Backs:
Cyrus Homayoun Jebel Ali Dragons
Adel Alhendi Abu Dhabi Harlequins
Neil Robert Pommerel Abu Dhabi Saracens
Mohammad Alawi Shaheen
Ray Gilburt Jebel Ali Dragons
Jono Bester Xodus Wasps
Michael Lancaster Xodus Wasps
Charlie Sargent Dubai Exiles
Chris Burch Dubai Hurricanes
Gareth Armstrong Xodus Wasps
James Elliot-Square Dubai Hurricanes

We wish them all the best and congratulate the many debut players for UAE International duty.


The other Div 1 semi final is May 10th in Hong Kong, Kazakhstan vs. Chinese Taipei. Most likely this is the curtain raiser for the Hong Kong-South Korea match.

While UAE may be favorite because of Top 5 experience, they have went with a number of new players so anything is possible. Singapore isn't too shabby a side either, wouldn't be surprised if this is a 10-15 point game.
Kazakhstan is the favorite over Chinese Taipei and my favorite to win this division.
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Schedule for Division 2 in Doha:

20 May - 17:30 Malaysia - Iran / 19:30 Qatar - Thailand
23 May - 17:30 3rd place / 19:30 final


IF ARFU keep up what they've been doing over the past year then all these games SHOULD be streamed live on their youtube channel (youtube.com/asian5nationstv) or at the very least uploaded there.
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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby martin.dunham » Tue, 22 Apr 2014, 15:31

Starting next year the A5N format is changing. I'll post what I pasted in the FIRA forums detailing the future:

submitted proposal to HSBC USD 8-900K including TV, in hope would be acceptable, but HSBC have reverted too much. TG suggests we need budget allowing for minimum USD 100K from HSBC and TG will get more and thinks USD500K is possible. HSBC will not want title sponsor rights in A5N 2014, so host unions can attract their own finance sector sponsors.
TG in discussions with other potential sponsors. But they will likely come on board in 2015 under revised competitions format.


Claude Atcher has told TG of potential TV coverage from Malaysia. TG: unless TV is sponsored, there will be no TV coverage.
Hence cost of Top 5 + Divs 1-3 = USD 467K TV was USD 400K in past years; Sean Moore trying to bring that down to USD 200K.
TG: ARFU can perhaps use some (200K?) of its reserves for this, or to upload whatever footage is available to You Tube etc. But should be last resort.
AS: Setanta would take any footage.
MO: IRB will be keen that last match in Tokyo (perhaps with the RWC trophy on show) be televised.


2014 will be last year in this format for Divs 3-5 with no automatic promotion or relegation from Div 3, 4 5 upwards and potential demotion from Div 2 for non-IRB full member unions, unless sponsorship can be found to support the ARC


Potential 2015 Men‟s 15s Format for “Asian Rugby Championship” (USD 350K budget)
Top 3: Japan, Korea, HK (Home & Away = 6 matches) = USD 45K
Promotion/Relegation match = 7.5K
HP: Above unions additional cross-regional tests (June and Nov player release windows). Sri Lanka hosts Serendib Cup.
Under current A5N rankings, Divisions below would be:
Div 1: Philippines, Sri Lanka, UAE, Kazakhstan (one location = 6 matches) = USD 75 + 7.5x3 = 97.5K
Followed 2 weeks later - after last (coinciding) day of Top 3 and Div 1 – by a repechage promotion/relegation match hosted by the highest IRB ranked union (to play in Top 3 the following year).
Div 2: Chinese Taipei, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia (one location = 1v4; 2v3 + LvL ; WvW) = 50 + 22.5 = 72.5
=USD222, 500 leaving USD 126.5
Regional Groups, examples:
Div 3A: Iran, Qatar, Guam, Indonesia,
Div 3B: India, Lebanon, Laos, Pakistan
Div 3C1/2: 2 Regional permutations of: China, Uzbekistan. . .Cambodia, Brunei, Mongolia, Afghanistan

Other competitions in 2014
3. AR7S (men‟s 7s)
IRB grant is USD 91K
TG will commit USD 100K from HSBC
Total 191K (minus 36 for referees at 3x12) = 155
For cost reasons back to 3 ranking rounds in 2014 with 11 core teams + 1 wild card (host)
Then, for instance, Thailand 7s becomes development level 7s tournament alongside UAERF‟s West Asia 7s allowing for most competitive team to become 11th core team in following year‟s series
USD 25 hosting fee x 3 = 75K
2K per 11 teams travelling = 22K x 3 = 66K
=141K total

*TG is Trevor Gregory, president of ARFU Executive Committee.
*AS is Asanga Senaviratne, Honorary (Honorable?) Secretary General.
*MO ???

These were from the ARFU Executive Meeting document annexes, that of course now require a login to access, but I think I still have it saved on my downloads if someone is interested in reading the notes, interesting stuff on many topics.
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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby martin.dunham » Fri, 25 Apr 2014, 20:48

Hey, live streaming for Hong Kong-Philippines tomorrow (or today depending where you are in the world) on ARFU youtube channel! Go to link below!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PGOFJdXqMY
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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby martin.dunham » Sat, 26 Apr 2014, 04:50

SRI matchday 23 v KOR:
1. Terence Henry, 2. Namal Rajapaksa (captain) 3. Sathya Ranathunga, 4. Hasitha Perera, 5. Sharo Fernando, 6. Danushka Perera, 7. Yositha Rajapaksa, 8. Bilal Hassen, 9. Roshan Weerarathna, 10. Niroshan Fernando, 11. Chamara Dabare, 12. Danushka Ranjan, 13. Dinesh Sanjeewa, 14. Sandun Herath, 15. Rizah Mubarak
16. Achala Perera, 17. Suhiru Anthony, 18. Heshan Kalhara, 19. Dinusha Chathuranga, 20. Srinath Sooriyabandara, 21. Lee Keegal, 22. Dushantha Lewke, 23. Chanaka Chandimal


Korea locks up bonus point in first half with 4th try v Sri Lanka. Korea spins wide to put No. 7 Kim Jeong Min into space for his 2nd try. Unsuccessful conversion by No.10 Lee. KOR 22-0 SLK

Sri Lanka on the board with a penalty in the 27th min by No.15 Rizah Mubarak. KOR 22-3 SRI

KOR respond with its first penalty of the match from No.11 Kim Won Yong. 32nd minute. Korea up 25-3 after 32 minutes, Korea with 4 tries 2 conversions 1 penalty so far to Sri Lanka's 1 penalty.

Halftime 30-3 after try to No.3 Park Jong Yeul. Conversion missed.

Try Korea. No.8 Lee Kwang Moon scores from the back of a 5m scrum. 54th min. Con good. KOR 37-3 SRI

7th try for KOR again from strong forward play. No.16 Son Young Gi scores from rolling maul. No.11 Kim converts 20min to go. Korea 44-3 Sri Lanka

KOR pen converted by no11 Kim Won Yong KOR 47-3 SRI

SRI fullback Mubarak misses on penalty attempt. KOR still lead 47-3 with under 10mins left.

KOR scores 8th try. No.20 Kim Hyun Soo. KOR 52-3 SRI

KOR try No.19 Song Byeong Ho. No.11 Kim's conversion successful. KOR win 59-3 as whistle blows!
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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby martin.dunham » Sat, 26 Apr 2014, 05:00

Matchday lineups for Philippines at Hong Kong!

Philippines
1. David Robinson-Polkey, 2. Austin Dacanay, 3. Philip Sinclair, 4. Stephen Howorth, 5. Ashley Heward, 6. Christopher Anderson, 7. Darran Seeto, 8. Samuel Bennetts, 9. Jake Letts, 10. Oliver Saunders (captain), 11. Kenneth Stern, 12. Justin Coveney, 13. Matthew Saunders, 14. Gareth Holgate, 15. Alexander Aronson
16. Glenn Power, 17. Daniel Melrose, 18. Fergus Mitra, 19. Nathan Welch, 20. Timothy Kong, 21. Cleo Gomez, 22. Fritz Moschitz, 26. Rupert Zappia


Hong Kong
1. Leon WEI, Hon Sum 2. Alex HARRIS, 3. Stephen NOLAN, 4. Bill BRANT, 5. Paul DWYER 6. Alex BADDELEY 7. Matt LAMMING 8. Pale TAUTI © 9. Kenneth HSIEH, Chun Hang 10. Chris MCADAM 11. YIU Kam Shing, Salom 12. Jake PHELPS, 13. Lloyd JONES, 14. Rowan VARTY 15. Alex MCQUEEN, 16. Thomas BOLLAND, 17. James COOPER 18. Alex NG, Wai Shing, 19. Terence MONTGOMERY, 20. Nick HEWSON, 21. Pete MCKEE, 22. Nick WHEATLEY, 23. Tom MCCOLL


For Philippines, 4 new caps in startinv XV, all in forward pack (Sinclair, Heward, C. Anderson, Bennetts) plus 6 on bench (Power, Melrose, Mitra, Welch, Kong, Moschitz. Kenny Stern makes his 7th cap but first since 2011 against Hong Kong. Rupert Zappia if he comes on will make his first test appearance since 2011 against Korea. All 6 of Zappia's previous caps have come off the bench. Oli Saunders becomes third captain in Volcanoes history, taking over for Mike Letts in this match. Jake Letts will extend his caps record, making his 20th appearance (consecutive! He's only missed 1 match! Volcanoes have played 21 tests!).
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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby martin.dunham » Sat, 26 Apr 2014, 10:12

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby martin.dunham » Sat, 26 Apr 2014, 10:19

?? 5-0 HKG try to Leon Wei
8' 12-0 HKG try to Yiu Kam Shing, 9' converted by Chris McAdam
10' 15-0 HKG McAdam penalty
12' McAdam missed penalty
14' 20-0 HKG try to Bill Brant, conversion missed
18' PHI sub 20 Timothy Kong in for 6 Christopher Anderson (blood bin)
26' HKG 23-0 Chris McAdam penalty
31' HKG 30-0 Matt Lamming try, 32' McAdam converts
35' PHI sub Chris Anderson back on wearing #30
35' HKG 37-0 try to Jake Phelps, 36' McAdam converts
38' HKG 44-0 try to Kenneth Hsieh, 39' McAdam converts
40'+ HKG 51-0 try to Lloyd Jones, 40'+ McAdam converts

HALFTIME HONG KONG 51-0 PHILIPPINES

Halftime Stats
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7nIWZ ... sp=sharing

Tons of subs for HKG

42' HKG 58-0 try to 23 Tom McColl, 43' McAdam converts
49' HKG 65-0, second try to Lamming, 50' McAdam converts, Hong Kong subs out #1 and #3
55' HKG 72-0, try to Rowan Varty, McAdam converts- Tauti off Hewson on, #9 sub off
59' HKG 77-0, try to Alex McQueen, McAdam misses
64' HKG 82-0, try to Peter McKee, McAdam misses on touchline
68' HKG 89-0, third try to Matt Lamming, 69' McAdam converts
72', HKG 96-0, try to Nick Wheatley, 73' McAdam converts
80' HKG 101-0, try to Alex Baddeley, 80' McAdam misses conversion
80'+ HKG 108-0, second try to Tom McColl, 80'+ McAdam converts

FINAL SCORE HONG KONG 108-0 PHILIPPINES

Final stats: Full time stats: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7nIWZ ... sp=sharing
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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby iul » Sat, 26 Apr 2014, 11:33

I wasn't expecting HK to beat the Philippines so badly. In terms of physicality the teams seem similar to me. Neither have a proper pack of forwards. Someone mentioned in the stream's comments that there are no Philippinos in this side. Is that true? What's the state of rugby in that country?

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby Hinato » Sat, 26 Apr 2014, 11:36

iul wrote:I wasn't expecting HK to beat the Philippines so badly. In terms of physicality the teams seem similar to me. Neither have a proper pack of forwards. Someone mentioned in the stream's comments that there are no Philippinos in this side. Is that true? What's the state of rugby in that country?


Rugby is very new in this country. The national team has only existed since 2007, the majority of players on the team are bi-national (with a Filipino parent) born abroad.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby martin.dunham » Sat, 26 Apr 2014, 11:58

First test match was in 06 with nearly all expats. The game is growing there, they have a 15s and 7s league but with little money it's hard to develop overnight.

Almost everyone on the national side has at least 1 Filipino parents, there may be a couple who've qualified on residency. You have to realize that the Philippines team got together in less than a week drawing players from so many countries. All players have to pay their way, take off work, etc. This wasn't a full strength forward pack either. It's developing, PRFU do a good job promoting what they can and spreading the game. They had a U14 (maybe it was U12, can't remember) side go and tour England a couple of years back. The Philippines squad will be miles better when they get to the Sri Lanka game off a bye week and some guys becoming available.
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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby Hinato » Sat, 26 Apr 2014, 12:15

Note that this was two Japanese referees Class A (national and international games) that adjudicated the two meetings five Asian nations of the day:

South Korea / Sri Lanka: Taku Otsuki and Hong Kong / Philippines: Shuhei Kubo

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby RugInt » Sun, 27 Apr 2014, 04:02

Here we go new post for me

I think the new Asia format has been posted elsewhere and I welcome it. I see no advantage in HK 108, Philippines 0 to anybody. Yes you have to test yourself against tough opposition but I'm sure a coach has too much to work on with a score like that. I can see HK, Japan, Korea home and away working.

I would however prefer to see HK 'A', Korea 'A' and Japan Development sides in that Asia 1st Division. Japan Dev. could still score 50 points against say Philippines and these 'A' sides would provide both tough opposition and a realistic benchmark.

Now its all about the money isn't it so perhaps with $ in mind it might not work if it's played round robin. I was thinking more of an 8 team one venue tournament with two pools, 3 round robins and a finals day. Not popular but I'm thinking of the money.

So what would it look like?

Asia Division 1A-Japan, Hong Kong, Korea - H&A
Asia Division 1B-Japan Dev, Hong Kong 'A', Korea 'A', Philippines, Sri Lanka, Singapore, UAE and Kazakhstan
One venue tournament. 2 pools-round robin, finals day. make promotion round if you win 1B Tournament
and to did NOT lose to any of the 'A' sides. Promotion-relegation played in Div.1B home town.
Last team automatically relegated to Division 2
Asia Division 2-Chinese Taipei, Malaysia, Iran, Thailand-One venue, Sf and final format, 1 team relegated to Div. 3 East or
West
Asia Division 3 East-Laos, Guam, China, Indonesia-One venue, Sf and final format
Asia Division 3 West-Qatar, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, India-One venue, Sf and final format
East v West final automatically promoted to Division 2
Asia Division 4-Lebanon, Brunei, Mongolia, Cambodia. Winner to either Div. 3 East or West.
The structure of Divisions 3 and 4 would depend on who is relegated from Div 2 to 3.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby Kuppi » Mon, 28 Apr 2014, 20:07

I don't know if the phillippines were extremely weak or Hong Kong was extraordinary strong. Hong Kong has been improving a lot and have professionalised their National Team, so, as far as i understood, each national player is now at least a semi pro. in 2010, they played two friendlies agaianst Germany, losing highly. In 2013 however they beat Belgium twice. According to their website they really beleive in having a chance to enter the world cup. The game Korea vs. HK will very exciting, as it is very important and both teams seem to be on the same level now.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby martin.dunham » Tue, 29 Apr 2014, 00:34

As I mentioned in my post above, the Philippines had been together for less than a week. They had 10 new caps. Not everyone is available for the first two matches. The Philippines I'm sure will be playing their best rugby at the end of the tournament when most of the best are there and everyone's had a chance to gel together. It's not like most of the Asian nations where they draw players from within the country and can train and communicate over the course of the year, the Philippines draws a lot from overseas and every year they discover a few more new overseas Filipinos. And some play in different positions that they normally do for their club. The main weakness is the forward pack. The backline is almost entirely professional but the forward pack doesn't have one. So partly the Philippines weren't as strong, and a lot of Hong Kong become more developed over the past year.
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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby antlat » Tue, 29 Apr 2014, 09:40

AW4N May 18th - May 24th.

Does anyone know what this tournament is?

It is mentioned on www.asian5nations.com

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby Hinato » Tue, 29 Apr 2014, 10:19

antlat wrote:AW4N May 18th - May 24th.

Does anyone know what this tournament is?

It is mentioned on http://www.asian5nations.com


This is the tournament four female Asian nations. The female equivalent of five Asian nations. The tournament takes place every year around August / September, but the tournament is advanced in the calendar this year because of the World Cup 2014 women's rugby in France. Kazakhstan participates in effect. Kazakhstan (champion), Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore will participate.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby martin.dunham » Wed, 30 Apr 2014, 04:17

HSBC pulls sponsorship from Asian Five Nations and Asian Sevens Series

http://www.scmp.com/sport/rugby/article ... ens-series
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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby gibbs » Wed, 30 Apr 2014, 06:08

martin.dunham wrote:HSBC pulls sponsorship from Asian Five Nations and Asian Sevens Series

http://www.scmp.com/sport/rugby/article ... ens-series
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That is a massive blow for the development of the game in the region

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby getienne » Wed, 30 Apr 2014, 12:23

Hong Kong Squad for Sri Lanka:
1. Leon WEI, Hon Sum, 2. Thomas BOLLAND, 3. James COOPER, 4. Jack DELAFORCE, 5. Paul DWYER, 6. Nicholas HEWSON (Captain), 7. Matt LAMMING, 8. Pale TAUTI, 9. Jamie HOOD, 10. Chris MCADAM, 11. Rowan VARTY, 12. Jake PHELPS, 13. Lloyd JONES, 14. Tom MCQUEEN, 15. Tom MCCOLL, 16. Alex NG, Wai Shing, 17. Steve NOLAN, 18. Alex HARRIS, 19. Bill BRANT, 20. Alex BADDELEY, 21. Peter MCKEE, 22. Alex MCQUEEN, 23. Nick WHEATLEY.

http://www.asian5nations.com/node/937

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby YamahaKiwi » Thu, 01 May 2014, 07:09

gibbs wrote:
martin.dunham wrote:HSBC pulls sponsorship from Asian Five Nations and Asian Sevens Series

http://www.scmp.com/sport/rugby/article ... ens-series
.

That is a massive blow for the development of the game in the region


Yeah, well from martin's info at the top of the thread it was pretty clear that this was going to happen, for the A5N anyway. I was hoping they'd at least stick with sponsoring the ASS since they've historically been a big part of 7s sponsorship. Unfortunately, it's sad to say you can't blame them. Even a company who has been very supportive of rugby in the last few years has to see some benefits from their sponsorship. It's not free money, and frankly the Asian unions and their blazers have done a poor job developing and growing the competition. It's at the same level of popularity it was in 2008. The crowds are poor and haven't grown. If I was a company CEO, even though I love rugby I wouldn't toss away my money on this championship. If I had seen some growth that gave me confidence for the future that might be different but we haven't. Quite frankly the loss of such a major sponsor shows up the lack of professional nous in the ARFU for taking the game forward and making it more popular in the region. It'd be nice if there was some accountability for this result. Trevor Gregory says in martin's peice that the unions can get their own sponsorship...hahahaha! Nothing the ARFU unions (with the exception of Japan and SL who have been able to attract some decent sponsorship) have done shows me they have the acumen to do that..more like dream on!

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby Beeman » Thu, 01 May 2014, 11:14

Japan team for Philippines. Hopgood, Murata and Matsushima to make their debuts, probably Horie and Hayashi off the bench. Mikami, Hatakeyama, Tamura and Goromaru return to strengthen the lineup. Fukuoka and Broadhurst must be injured.

1-Masataka Mikami (Toshiba Brave Lupus, 15 caps) 2-Hiroki Yuhara (Toshiba Brave Lupus, 13 caps) 3-Kensuke Hatakeyama (Suntory Sungoliath, 50 caps) 4-Justin Ives (Canon Eagles, 16 caps) 5-Shoji Ito (Kobelco Steelers, 18 caps) 6-Hendrik Tui (Suntory Sungoliath, 18 caps) 7-(c) Michael Leitch (Toshiba Brave Lupus, 29 caps) 8-Hayden Hopgood (Kamaishi Sea Waves, 0 cap) 9-Atsushi Hiwasa (Suntory Sungoliath, 30 caps) 10-Yu Tamura (NEC Green Rockets, 17 caps) 11-Kotaro Matsushima (Suntory Sungoliath, 0 cap) 12-Ryoto Nakamura (Suntory Sungoliath, 1 cap) 13-Daishi Murata (Suntory Sungoliath, 0 cap) 14-Yoshikazu Fujita (Waseda, 12 caps) 15-Ayumu Goromaru (Yamaha Jubilo, 33 caps)

16-Yusuke Nagae (Toyota Shokki Shuttles, 15 caps) 17-Takeshi Kizu (Kobelco Steelers, 22 caps) 18-Hiroshi Yamashita (Kobelco Steelers, 29 caps) 19-Hitoshi Ono (Toshiba Brave Lupus, 77 caps) 20-Kyosuke Horie (Yamaha Jubilo, 0 cap) 21-Keisuke Uchida (Panasonic Wild Knights, 4 caps) 22-Yasuki Hayashi (Panasonic Wild Knights, 0 cap) 23-Toshiaki Hirose (Toshiba Brave Lupus, 18 caps)

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby gibbs » Thu, 01 May 2014, 11:32

YamahaKiwi wrote:
gibbs wrote:
martin.dunham wrote:HSBC pulls sponsorship from Asian Five Nations and Asian Sevens Series

http://www.scmp.com/sport/rugby/article ... ens-series
.

That is a massive blow for the development of the game in the region


Yeah, well from martin's info at the top of the thread it was pretty clear that this was going to happen, for the A5N anyway. I was hoping they'd at least stick with sponsoring the ASS since they've historically been a big part of 7s sponsorship. Unfortunately, it's sad to say you can't blame them. Even a company who has been very supportive of rugby in the last few years has to see some benefits from their sponsorship. It's not free money, and frankly the Asian unions and their blazers have done a poor job developing and growing the competition. It's at the same level of popularity it was in 2008. The crowds are poor and haven't grown. If I was a company CEO, even though I love rugby I wouldn't toss away my money on this championship. If I had seen some growth that gave me confidence for the future that might be different but we haven't. Quite frankly the loss of such a major sponsor shows up the lack of professional nous in the ARFU for taking the game forward and making it more popular in the region. It'd be nice if there was some accountability for this result. Trevor Gregory says in martin's peice that the unions can get their own sponsorship...hahahaha! Nothing the ARFU unions (with the exception of Japan and SL who have been able to attract some decent sponsorship) have done shows me they have the acumen to do that..more like dream on!

Gibbs, welcome to the forum. Nice to have a SL fan on here :D


Thanks mate..

The fault lies with ARFU.. In order for the game to take hold in the region there has to be grass root development.. But sadly expect for few Unions vast majority of rugby in Asia is concentrated on European/ANZAC/Islander expats.. Most Unions have manipulated the IRB player eligibility rules to the extent of being absurd

People bring up the argument about how top nations like NZ/Aus consist of foreign born players but forget that their domestic structures have been in place for nearly a century by locals and the grass root development is strong enough to withstand endorsing outsiders.. Then again both Aus and Kiwi players are born and bred in the country but just happen to be of Islander origin, Which cannot say for many Asian sides albeit a very few

If you cant popularize the game among the general public you cant expect much in return, And in order for the masses to support the game they need sporting idols that they can relate to

No offense to anyone but this is my personal opinion..

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby 4N » Fri, 02 May 2014, 11:18

Philippines got pretty good crowds at the main soccer stadium in Manila last year. Why have they shifted to this venue for their 2014 home matches?

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

Postby Hinato » Fri, 02 May 2014, 11:37

4N wrote:Philippines got pretty good crowds at the main soccer stadium in Manila last year. Why have they shifted to this venue for their 2014 home matches?

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The usual field, Rizal staium Manila is in the works and the Japanese had refused to play the proposed Filipino another field, the university of Makati Stadium. The fear of such a field is injuries. This really is not the time. 40 ° C, small stadium, potato field next to a highway. Not bad to start the tournament ...

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Re: Asian 5 Nations

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