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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby RugInt » Wed, 16 May 2018, 10:22

2008 was ages ago. You can't expect anyone remember those ancient times, can you?


LOL :lol: Rugby statsos remember EVERYTHING (providing they wrote it down somewhere) 8-)

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby RugInt » Wed, 16 May 2018, 10:30

35 min into 2nd half, Pakistan 77, Kyrgyzstan 0

https://www.asiarugby.com/pakistan-v-kyrgyzstan

30m to start of Kazakhstan v Mongolia

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Wed, 16 May 2018, 11:39

Pakistan won 82-0

Kazakhstan leading 12-3
https://www.asiarugby.com/kazakhstan-v-mongolia/

Halftime 26-3, really not bad for Mongolia

Perhaps 48-6 is the final score

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby qwerty » Wed, 16 May 2018, 13:32

Mongolians are very much into wrestling, so maybe it's fertile ground to make rugby popular there, like Georgia with lelo.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby dwpeate » Wed, 16 May 2018, 13:52

55-6 Kazakhs win over Mongolia according to the tournament page

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Wed, 16 May 2018, 15:48

qwerty wrote:Mongolians are very much into wrestling, so maybe it's fertile ground to make rugby popular there, like Georgia with lelo.

I thought the same, also considering that they seem physically quite fit for this type of sport. Then I discovered that Mongolia is much less populated than what I supposed: just 3 millions inhabitants, 40% of them in Ulan Bator. Considering the great distances, I tend to think that as far as now mongolian rugby is confined in the capitol city. It has 1.2 millions inhabitants, but it's just one only city

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby qwerty » Wed, 16 May 2018, 15:54

3 million is also the population of Georgia, just way more spread out. Also, being such a big country, having such a big concentration of people in the capital is good, because you have access to a bigger chunk of the population without the travelling costs of going to the other cities of the country, which would be fairly distant.
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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby 4N » Wed, 16 May 2018, 15:59

Mongolians have a reputation as being very tough and some can be big/stocky (they have high protein diets iirc, mostly meat and milk). Lots involved in Chinese "power" sports despite being overall low percentage of population.

Ex NBA big man Mengke Bateer is Mongolian-Chinese.

And wrestling is their sport. Translates very well to rugby.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby iul » Wed, 16 May 2018, 16:05

IIRC some of them are in sumo as well

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby qwerty » Wed, 16 May 2018, 16:07

Kazakhs could also apply in this logic, because they are physically and culturally similar (despite Kazakhs being Turkic), but I understand that rugby is dominated by Slavs there.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby 4N » Wed, 16 May 2018, 16:10

qwerty wrote:Kazakhs could also apply in this logic, because they are physically and culturally similar (despite Kazakhs being Turkic), but 8 understand that rugby is dominated by Slavs there.


Yes Kazakhs are very similar. Rugby was Slav dominated there before the union issues of about about 5-6 years ago (and Kazakstan were pretty good to be fair). Now I think it is like a 50/50 or 60/40 Kazakh-Russian mix. For the men's team at least.

BTW Alma-Ata (now Almaty) was a strong rugby club in Soviet times, military-based.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby qwerty » Wed, 16 May 2018, 16:18

Yeah, they were pretty good. So good in fact that they made it to the repechage (!!!) and we played them in Montevideo, where they lost by a respectable 44-7. What happened then? Do you know what those issues where? This was the first time Kazakhstan played a 15's game in about 3 years, so there must have been something big.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Wed, 16 May 2018, 16:24

I thought also rugby in Kyrgyzstan was dominated by the westerns (=eastern europeans) but judging by the photo in previous page there are more asiatics than "europeans"

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby qwerty » Wed, 16 May 2018, 16:32

There are way more Europeans in Kazakhstan, about 30%. In Kyrgyzstan it's only about 5-10%.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby 4N » Wed, 16 May 2018, 16:44

Kazakhstan was very multi ethnic for a while. After the Volga Germans were relocated there they were 1 million+ strong. But many left for Germany in the 90s. Germany rugby actually capped a few iirc. One was Konstantin something. Back row I think.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby qwerty » Wed, 16 May 2018, 16:52

4N do you know what the issues a few years back in Kazakhstan were?

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby 4N » Wed, 16 May 2018, 16:55

qwerty wrote:4N do you know what the issues a few years back in Kazakhstan were?


Not entirely sure. But their best players left them. I no longer have my old records so go from memory now but I think it was a government vs union thing. Rudoy and Maxim Lifontov left them shortly after.

Zhenya Zima may know details.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby 4N » Wed, 16 May 2018, 18:13

Ex Russia and Grenoble lock Murat Uambaev was ethnic Kazakh btw. Tough player.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Thu, 17 May 2018, 06:42

photo of the Kazakh team (together with the Mongolian one)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdUqURXX4AEFzO7.jpg

the ratio between "russian faces" and "asiatic faces" seems 2/1

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Hinato » Thu, 17 May 2018, 13:59


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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 17 May 2018, 14:12

4N wrote:Kazakhstan was very multi ethnic for a while. After the Volga Germans were relocated there they were 1 million+ strong. But many left for Germany in the 90s. Germany rugby actually capped a few iirc. One was Konstantin something. Back row I think.


Germany's record national player Alexander Widiker (capped 65 times) was born in Kazakstan, but never played rugby there, before relocating to Germany at the age of 11 in 1993.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Widiker
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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Thu, 17 May 2018, 18:38

Pakistan and Kyrgyzstan lines-up on day one

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and these are those of Kazakhstan and Mongolia

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Fri, 18 May 2018, 19:49

Mongolia team for tomorrow's third place final, from https://www.macoocoo.com/index.php?r=gr ... =1303&cid=

1 Natsagdorj Oidovdorj *Loosehead Prop
2 Bataa Nyamdorj *Hooker
3 Enkhbat Dashochir *Tighthead Prop
4 Dulguun Altanjargal *#4 Lock
5 Nyambayar Nergui *#5 Lock
6 Uugankhuu Batbayar *Blindside Flanker
7 Bayarnyam Purenyam *Openside Flanker
8 Khosbayar Ganbold *No 8
9 Munkhdemberel Galbadrakh *Scrum Half
10 Gansaikhan Enkhbat *Fly Half
11 Gangrene Batdorj *Left Wing
12 Banzragch Sukhbat *Inside Centre
13 Dashdendev Gansukh *Outside Centre(C)
14 Otgonbayar Nyamsuren *Right Wing
15 Baterdene Batkhuyag *Full Back

- Greg Hinton (Manager)

16 Bayarmanlai Dorj (Front Row)
17 Unubold Tsolmon (Front Row)
18 Narranbaatar Batsukh (Front Row)
19 Soderdene Bazarsuren

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Sat, 19 May 2018, 11:02

Mongolia v Kyrgyzstan will not be played. Causes unknown but it must be a kyrgyz forfeit because Mongolia announced its line-up while Kyrgyzstan didn't

Kazakhstan v Pakistan should begin right now, with live text updates https://www.asiarugby.com/kazakhstan-v-pakistan/

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Sat, 19 May 2018, 11:39

Korea beat Malaysia 67 - 12 earlier.

https://www.asiarugby.com/2018/05/19/ko ... sia-67-12/

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