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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby gibbs » Sat, 15 Oct 2016, 07:22

Ant one interested in catching some action from the Asian 7's series third leg from Colombo..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaIeXuASB-Q

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Mon, 24 Oct 2016, 15:16

Asia championship division 2 east has seen also the withdraw of Brunei. The semifinals, at the beginning of november in Bangkok, will be
China v Thailand U20
Indonesia v Laos

The final will be China v winner of the other semifinal (probably Indonesia)
Third place final: Thailand U20 v loser of the other semifinal

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby victorsra » Mon, 24 Oct 2016, 15:25

And india vs pakistan?
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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Mon, 24 Oct 2016, 16:00

No news, apparently

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Sun, 30 Oct 2016, 18:32

Today Thailand U20 defeated Laos senior 21-12 in a warm-up match before the incoming Asia Championship div.3 east. Probably the two teams will re-meet next saturday in the third place final, after having played against China and Indonesia in semifinal

Still no news about India v Pakistan, at least according to a quick search.
I've read that Pakistan withdrew probably for political reason from the kabaddi World Cup hosted by India (and won by India for the 8th time in 8 editions). Let's see if events will go differently in rugby

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Mon, 31 Oct 2016, 07:06

Also China renounced to this tournament. It will be just a triangular: Thailand U20 v Laos yesterday, Thailand U20 v Indonesia wednesday and Indonesia v Laos ("the final") saturday

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Mon, 31 Oct 2016, 07:12

The withdrawing teams as far as I remember
fridge46 wrote:ARC

Top 3 - Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea

Division 1 - Sri Lanka, Philippines, Kazakhstan, Malaysia

Division 2 - Singapore, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Guam

Division 3 - 5 sub-groups (up from 3 last year)

West/Central - Qatar, Iran, Lebanon

West - Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia

South East - Laos, Cambodia, Brunei

East - Thailand, Taipei, Indonesia, China

South/Central - India, Kyrgyzstan, Pakistan

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Tue, 01 Nov 2016, 08:33

Supposing that India and Pakistan are not going to play their match (the political relation between the two countries is again at incandescent level, some ambassadors have recently been expelled from both the governments) this is the map of the nations playing in this year's Asia Championship. In green the competing nations, in yellow the nations geographically part of Asia but inserted in european competitions, in red the not-competing nations. Totally, just 18 out of 51 asian nations took part in the 2016 ARC

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Sun, 13 Nov 2016, 19:50

Jordan is now full member of Rugby Asia. Probably they have decided it during the recent congress of the confederation in Guam.
No other significative news from the congress.
And no news about India v Pakistan, supposed last match of the whole Asia Rugby Championship 2016

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Wed, 30 Nov 2016, 16:10

Minor news: according to a cryptic post by iranian federation (cryptic because the automatic translator is never completely precise) next year Iran will be in a pool in Tashkent with Uzbekistan and Qatar.
So apparently Uzbekistan has been relegated from Asia Cup level 2, but Qatar has not been consequently promoted; perhaps because it's not a WR member.
And Lebanon? They arrived second behind Qatar and ahead of Iran, in 2016.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby victorsra » Wed, 30 Nov 2016, 16:32

In theory we have:

Top 3: Japan, Korea, Hong Kong;
Division I: Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Phillippines and United Arab Emirates
Division II: Singapore, Thailand, Guam and someone ... is that? Lebanon? Or maybe the return of Kazakhistan, as they were in Division I before forfeit?

Let's remember there were 2 Middle Eastern groups in Division III, the other one with Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Maybe Lebanon will play that one...
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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Thu, 01 Dec 2016, 07:17

A video with the first ever try by Cambodia, in 2005 against Macau
https://www.facebook.com/CambodiaRugby/ ... 073809393/

It was also the penultimate ever game by Macau, I wonder why they chose to stop with test matches. Maybe they just feel themselves too tiny, they have 1/10 of inhabitants respect to Hong Kong. I also wonder if some Macau's player is currently part of the chinese XV or 7s national team

PS: looking better at the few seconds of the video where it's possible to see Macau's players, they appear very "occidental"; maybe Macau stopped to play test matches because of lack of eligible players

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby iul » Thu, 15 Dec 2016, 00:12

http://news.rugbypass.com/view/live-str ... owloon-rfc
Rugbypass will be streaming the Hong Kong local championship and they're streaming one game every Saturday for free.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Thu, 15 Dec 2016, 08:09

To be useful for the progress of mankind I was searching news about two dormant national teams: those of Monaco and Macau. Monaco played from 2002 to 2009 and now seems interested just in 7s international activity.
Macau played as a national team just in 2004 and 2005
But the three main point-of-reference websites have three different versions about:
- Espnscrum says Macau have played just one match in 2005 against Cambodia, winning it (there's also a video two posts above)
- Rugbydata says they have played in 2004 against Pakistan and in 2005 against Cambodia, winning both http://www.rugbydata.com/macau/gamesplayed/
- Rugbyinternational says Macau played three matches: 2004 with Pakistan, 2005 with Cambodia, 2006 with Indonesia, winning just the last two games http://www.rugbyinternational.net/countries/macau.htm

An other mystery: the game with Pakistan was played on october 31 2004, but in the same day or in the day before (depending on the various sources) Pakistan played also an Asia Championship match against an other team, in the same venue of Hong Kong and with a similar result, a loss 3-56. I doubt Pakistan voyaged to Hong Kong with a main team for the championship and an A team for a friendly against Macau.

Anyway, if all the three games reported by Rugby International were test matches (but my suspect is that just Cambodia fielded its main team) and if the result of the game with Pakistan was a victory for Macau as the majority of sources say, Macau could be the only nation or one of the very few nations having won all the test matches played

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby antlat » Fri, 16 Dec 2016, 06:02

Macao has played 3 international matches,

31.10.2004 Macao vs Pakistan 55 - 0 Hong Kong City, HKG
22.05.2005 Macao vs Cambodia 46 - 7 Hong Kong City, HKG
15.06.2006 Indonesia vs Macao 10 - 17 Jakarta, INA

All three matches are friendlies. The match in 2004 against Pakistan was a friendly played at the Asian Championships. It was not part of the official championships.

In both the 2006 and 2007 Asian Nations Series tournaments, Macao was to play Qatar and one other nation (cant remember right now) in Division 7 however in both years, all three nations withdrew.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby victorsra » Mon, 19 Dec 2016, 20:48

Asia Rugby updated its 2017 calendar: https://www.asiarugby.com/events/

All these matches are still marked as TBC, but it suggests that we'll have:

Top 3: Japan, Hong Kong and Korea
Division 1: Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Philippines and UAE
Division 2: Singapore, Thailand, Taiwan and India
Division 3 West: Uzbekistan, Lebanon, Iran and Qatar

No mention of other Division 3s, but as there is a "West" I believe at least another one will appear.

But why Taiwan and India in Division 2 now? Maybe they wanted to play in 2016 but as other countries withdrew Asia Rugby gave them free pass to be promoted.

Guam, that should be in Division 2, is absent. Saudi Arabia and Jordania too. Kazakhstan and China still out.
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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby antlat » Mon, 19 Dec 2016, 22:10

2017 Asian Championship Top 3

22.04.2017 South Korea vs Japan ??, KOR
29.04.2017 Japan vs South Korea ??, JPN
06.05.2017 Japan vs Hong Kong Tokyo, JPN
13.05.2017 Hong Kong vs Japan Hong Kong City, HKG
27.05.2017 South Korea vs Hong Kong Incheon, KOR
03.06.2017 Hong Kong vs South Korea Hong Kong City, HKG

2017 Asian Championship Division 1

17.04.2017 Sri Lanka vs Philippines Kuala Lumpur, MAS
17.04.2017 Malaysia vs United Arab Emirates Kuala Lumpur, MAS
20.04.2017 Sri Lanka vs United Arab Emirates Kuala Lumpur, MAS
20.04.2017 Malaysia vs Philippines Kuala Lumpur, MAS
23.04.2017 Philippines vs United Arab Emirates Kuala Lumpur, MAS
23.04.2017 Malaysia vs Sri Lanka Kuala Lumpur, MAS

2017 Asian Championship Division 2

Semi Finals
17.05.2017 Thailand vs Chinese Taipei ??, ???
17.05.2017 Singapore vs India ??, ???
Third Place Play-off
20.05.2017 Loser Semi Final vs Loser Semi Final ??, ???
Final
20.05.2017 Winner Semi Final vs Winner Semi Final ??, ???

2017 Asian Championship Division 3 West

Semi Finals
28.03.2017 Qatar vs Iran Tashkent, UZB
28.03.2017 Uzbekistan vs Lebanon Tashkent, UZB
Third Place Play-off
31.03.2017 Loser Semi Final vs Loser Semi Final Tashkent, UZB
Final
31.03.2017 Winner Semi Final vs Winner Semi Final Tashkent, UZB

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby eal22 » Sun, 01 Jan 2017, 23:37

Anyone interested in the Dialog Rugby League from Sri Lanka can watch games here: https://www.youtube.com/user/ThePapareOfficial/videos

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Mon, 02 Jan 2017, 10:55

eal22 wrote:Anyone interested in the Dialog Rugby League from Sri Lanka can watch games here: https://www.youtube.com/user/ThePapareOfficial/videos

I have watched the highlights of Kandy v Army. I expected a bigger crowd; in the video they seem just few hundreds, even if a photo like this shows a nice "wall" of spectators https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=591A9978

An aspect already noted in the past is that lankan rugby public seems composed almost entirely by men. See for example
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=58E3332C
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=59216E63
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=58D87F08

In some other images you may see some women, but the ratio appears to be 1/100

All photos from https://www.facebook.com/thepapare/

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby gibbs » Tue, 03 Jan 2017, 05:34

Canalina wrote:
eal22 wrote:Anyone interested in the Dialog Rugby League from Sri Lanka can watch games here: https://www.youtube.com/user/ThePapareOfficial/videos

I have watched the highlights of Kandy v Army. I expected a bigger crowd; in the video they seem just few hundreds, even if a photo like this shows a nice "wall" of spectators https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=591A9978

An aspect already noted in the past is that lankan rugby public seems composed almost entirely by men. See for example
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=58E3332C
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=59216E63
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=58D87F08

In some other images you may see some women, but the ratio appears to be 1/100

All photos from https://www.facebook.com/thepapare/


Lol.. Maybe some pics from the main stands may show a few more ladies, But yeah Kandy has a bit of a conservative side to it, Matches in Colombo attract way more fans of the fairer sex.. Especially for high school games

And given the often fanatical and highly volatile nature of Kandy supporters (Kandy has working class support base as oppse to many clubs around the country) most women best avoid going for the games up there due to it's often rough atmosphere

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Tue, 03 Jan 2017, 08:52

Just an extemporaneous comparison: in Sri Lanka's top championship the percentage of conversions is 69%, in Italy's top championship is 72% (as far as now, of course). It would be somehow interesting to know other nations' percentage but I don't know if they are available

http://www.thepapare.com/dialogrugby/fixtures/

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby gibbs » Sun, 08 Jan 2017, 06:37

@ Canalina.. As i mentioned games outside Kandy seems to attract way more female spectators.. :D

https://www.facebook.com/pg/thepapare/p ... 7114334251

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Sun, 08 Jan 2017, 09:56

gibbs wrote:@ Canalina.. As i mentioned games outside Kandy seems to attract way more female spectators.. :D

https://www.facebook.com/pg/thepapare/p ... 7114334251

I have put a Kandy crowd's photo (hope The Papare will be not aware of it) in our facebook "Ten photos of the week" review : )
https://www.facebook.com/16370306898725 ... =3&theater

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby victorsra » Sun, 08 Jan 2017, 21:01

Saigon RC (Vietnam) calendar:

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On September they hosted the Saigon 10s tournament: http://tuoitrenews.vn/sports/37181/inte ... in-vietnam
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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Canalina » Tue, 17 Jan 2017, 07:18

antlat wrote:...
2017 Asian Championship Division 3 West

Semi Finals
28.03.2017 Qatar vs Iran Tashkent, UZB
28.03.2017 Uzbekistan vs Lebanon Tashkent, UZB
Third Place Play-off
31.03.2017 Loser Semi Final vs Loser Semi Final Tashkent, UZB
Final
31.03.2017 Winner Semi Final vs Winner Semi Final Tashkent, UZB

No more Qatar but a TBC name on asian calendar
https://www.asiarugby.com/fixtures-results/calendar/

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