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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby STMKY » Sat, 02 Jun 2018, 16:12

Why do you call the Anglo-Saxons Caucasians? Caucasians live in the Caucasus mountains in the South of Russia (Chechens, Ossetians, Kabardians, Karachais, Dagestani people ...) and in Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Sat, 02 Jun 2018, 16:58

What grouping was Jamie Tsang put under? He clearly is of mixed or even complete Chinese ancestry even though born in England. He could well be descended from Hong Kong Chinese immigrants.

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It's never a good thing to make assumptions, the long serving Rowan Varty had a Chinese mother for example.

It's as simplistic as talking about "Anglo Saxons" when they have been to all intents and purposes interbred with all sorts of peoples since the 11th century. Only racial purists with dubious agendas talk about being "Anglo-Saxon" in the UK or US now. For more debate about that go to http://www.t2rugby.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 906#p88906

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby qwerty » Sat, 02 Jun 2018, 17:29

The HK football team also has a ton of no-Canto players, it has like 2 or 3 white guys and like 3 black guys. Not as much as rugby but still.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 02 Jun 2018, 17:47

Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:What grouping was Jamie Tsang put under? He clearly is of mixed or even complete Chinese ancestry even though born in England. He could well be descended from Hong Kong Chinese immigrants.

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It's never a good thing to make assumptions, the long serving Rowan Varty had a Chinese mother for example.

It's as simplistic as talking about "Anglo Saxons" when they have been to all intents and purposes interbred with all sorts of peoples since the 11th century. Only racial purists with dubious agendas talk about being "Anglo-Saxon" in the UK or US now. For more debate about that go to http://www.t2rugby.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 906#p88906



I assume it was done purely on place of birth.

In Rugby terms Hong Kong is actually quite big at 8m people. It is richer than Ireland or New Zealand by most measures. If they showed any attempt at seriously including 92% of their population they could be a major player in the world of rugby.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Sat, 02 Jun 2018, 17:56

Well I don't disagree that the possibility of a Hong Kong team the RWC that looks overwhelmingly non-Chinese would be a bit eyebrow-raising to say the least. But what is the other quick option - enforcing a quota? I doubt if the HK government/administration really cares that much to interfere, even if that's what it takes.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 02 Jun 2018, 18:26

For me at least there is no option, its just a shame.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby qwerty » Sat, 02 Jun 2018, 18:34

Quotas are a bad idea in general, it only cures the symptoms and not the causes. If the HKRU wants to change this situation they need to bring rugby closer to the community. Maybe playing in Mong Kok instead of HKFC would be one thing they can do right away.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Hong Kong Grass » Sat, 02 Jun 2018, 19:29

STMKY wrote:Why do you call the Anglo-Saxons Caucasians? Caucasians live in the Caucasus mountains in the South of Russia (Chechens, Ossetians, Kabardians, Karachais, Dagestani people ...) and in Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.


In reference to white people, not the strict geographical term of people in Caucasus region.

Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:Well I don't disagree that the possibility of a Hong Kong team the RWC that looks overwhelmingly non-Chinese would be a bit eyebrow-raising to say the least. But what is the other quick option - enforcing a quota? I doubt if the HK government/administration really cares that much to interfere, even if that's what it takes.


As you noted, Tsang is likely descended from HK Chinese migrants. The short term solution would be for the children of HK migrants in the likes of NZ, UK etc were to learn their rugby there and bring those skills back to represent HK. (I know rugby isn't really taken up often by overseas Chinese either so that itself would need to change.) Would be likely to get more buy in from the HK Chinese public that way. Short term solution of course as there still needs to be development at the grass roots and other cultural/nutrition-diet changes. There's definitely local participation at mini levels but that drops off, probably when contact is introduced.

I mean HK as a location and city isn't really that big on sport, the local soccer teams don't really get much in way of support and green spaces can be hard to come by. Optimal investment would probably be the likes of South Korea and North-East regions of China (that typically supply the likes of basketball players etc.)

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby qwerty » Sat, 02 Jun 2018, 19:36

I understand that due to dietary differences, people in northern China are taller than southerners

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby RugbyLiebe » Sun, 03 Jun 2018, 17:13

Hinato wrote:Les Iles Cook seront une formalité. Hong Kong sera au tournoi de repêchage en novembre en France.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Tomster7uk » Sat, 09 Jun 2018, 14:49

Hong Kong v Cook Islands

Repechage play off final: June 30th and 7th July (16:30 local time)

Winner of said tie enters the repechage to join Canada and the runners up of 2018 Africa gold cup alongside the European/Oceania play off winner.

Question is, Who would you like to see win the Oceania/Asia play off?

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby ARHS » Sun, 10 Jun 2018, 02:08

Hong Kong will be a class above, with a settled team. Cooks are cobbled together from all over, with no prior matches to develop combinations.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Thu, 21 Jun 2018, 08:09

ARC Division I : Schedule
Southern Plains Stadium , Manila

Saturday, 23rd June 2018: Philippines v Singapore

Tuesday, 26th June 2018: Singapore v Philippines



Was there supposed to be more than two teams in this originally? Seems weird that Philippines get the advantage of two home games...

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby YamahaKiwi » Fri, 22 Jun 2018, 11:12

gibbs wrote:
Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:
victorsra wrote:In which city are the Services based?

I think it's the centralised control board for the Army, so the players could be from bases all around the country in theory.

There are a few Singhs which suggests they are from Punjab but this just signifies they are Sikhs, who could live/come from anywhere really.


The name Singh doesn't necessarily mean they're Sikhs, Most Punjabi non Sikh's have Singh as their surname.. It was close game, Decent defence from India, No idea how strong Chinese Taipei is this year but most likely Thailand will win the division

https://www.facebook.com/Thairugbyunion ... 527519759/


Yeah, Singhs are both Hindus and Sikhs. Usually Sikh guys have a first name ending in -der or some such similar. I'm betting players 1 and 4 at least are Sikhs.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby dwpeate » Fri, 22 Jun 2018, 11:15

Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:ARC Division I : Schedule
Southern Plains Stadium , Manila

Saturday, 23rd June 2018: Philippines v Singapore

Tuesday, 26th June 2018: Singapore v Philippines



Was there supposed to be more than two teams in this originally? Seems weird that Philippines get the advantage of two home games...

Yeah - Sri Lanka and UAE were meant to be involved. Philippines were original hosts which is why they get both legs

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby YamahaKiwi » Fri, 22 Jun 2018, 11:21

Canalina wrote:India team. The coach should be japanese; the three Khatri backs shouldn't be related, or at least I haven't found news on google about their brotherhood

1 Parvender Singh *Loosehead Prop
2 Suraj Prasad *Hooker
3 Rohit Singh Sivac *Tighthead Prop
4 Surinder Singh *#4 Lock
5 Jitendra Kumar *#5 Lock
6 Suresh Kumar *Blindside Flanker
7 Nitin Dagar *Openside Flanker
8 Neeraj Neeraj *No 8
9 Sujai Lama *Scrum Half(C)
10 Akash Balmiki *Fly Half
11 Roshan Lobo *Left Wing
12 Mohit Khatri *Inside Centre
13 Prince Khatri *Outside Centre
14 Vikas Khatri *Right Wing
15 Gautam Dagar *Full Back

Coach Toru Jinguji

16 Paramjeet Singh Reserve (Front Row)
17 Bhupendra Bokan Reserve (Front Row)
18 Surendra Surendra Reserve (Front Row)
19 Anil Kumar Reserve
20 Shokender Shokender Reserve
21 Deepak Kumar Punia Reserve
22 Rakesh Rakesh Reserve
23 Sourabh Dubal Reserve

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Canalina wrote:Mongolia team for tomorrow's third place final, from https://www.macoocoo.com/index.php?r=gr ... =1303&cid=
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100% Mongolian it looks like.

Also the thai and the indian lines-up seem completely or almost completely "local"


Canalina, correct. That is a Japanese name for the coach. Khatri, often written Kyatri, comes from one of the caste communities.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatri

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby YamahaKiwi » Fri, 22 Jun 2018, 11:23

Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:The India squad with clubs or at least regional/services affiliation. All from India and none from any diaspora.

Sujai Lama (captain), Jitendra Kumar, Suresh Kumar, Rohit Singh Sivach, Parvender Singh, Shokender Balyan, Surinder Singh, Divagar Yadav, Paramjeet Singh (all Services-SSCB)
Mohit Khatri, Prince Khatri, Neeraj Khatri, Vikas Khatri, Sourabh Dubal, Deepak Punia, Anil Kumar, Surender Joon, Bhupendra Bokan (all Haryana);
Rakesh Lohchab, Nitin Dagar, Gautam Dagar (all Delhi);
Puspendu Tudu, Suraj Prasad, Akash Balmiki (all West Bengal);
Roshan Lobo (Karnataka),
Pradeep Jadhav (Maharastra).

https://scroll.in/field/879396/asian-ru ... tri-series


Jadhav is the same as Khatri, a caste community name, and is usually written Yadav. Infact I see a Yadav in there as well.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby YamahaKiwi » Fri, 22 Jun 2018, 21:37

ARHS wrote:Hong Kong will be a class above, with a settled team. Cooks are cobbled together from all over, with no prior matches to develop combinations.


Yip I said as much in another thread.

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Sat, 23 Jun 2018, 11:20

1st leg result: Philippines 32 - 24 Singapore

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby Tomster7uk » Sat, 23 Jun 2018, 14:52

Ser Podrick of Payne wrote:1st leg result: Philippines 32 - 24 Singapore


What is the significance of this game? A friendly or league?

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby victorsra » Sat, 23 Jun 2018, 14:58

Asia's 2nd division
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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby dwpeate » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 10:15

Leg 2 - Philippines 38-12 Singapore

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby victorsra » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 12:28

How promotion will work? Are the Philippines promoted?
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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby dwpeate » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 15:11

There was meant to be a challenge match a few years ago between the winner and last place of top 3. Whether this is still the case I dont know

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Re: Asian 5 Nations & Asian rugby discussion

Postby victorsra » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 15:25

The issue is that: what about Japan in 2019? Will they return to the Top division? How is it supposed to be played, by 3 or 4 teams? Maybe Asia will have a new structure?
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