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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Wed, 21 Feb 2018, 10:57

RugbyLiebe, STMKY

Georgia does exactly the same with LELO

http://lelo.comyr.com/

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby STMKY » Wed, 21 Feb 2018, 11:31

I know this is one of the main reasons for the popularity of rugby in Georgia. In Russia, we also need to say that [rugby is a Russian game], not English. Then there will be success. This is folk psychology.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 21 Feb 2018, 11:58

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:RugbyLiebe, STMKY

Georgia does exactly the same with LELO

http://lelo.comyr.com/


It is a very smart move. I start digging for ancient German games :D
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Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Wed, 21 Feb 2018, 15:54

SallesNeto_BR wrote:
Well, i'm trying to learn some Russian since 2 weeks ago... I already can read cyrillic words and these words (all with English roots :lol: ): http://www.ezglot.com/common-words.php? ... mmon-words

But the grammar is absolutely crazy

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby SallesNeto_BR » Thu, 22 Feb 2018, 00:19

Vova12 wrote:
SallesNeto_BR wrote:
Well, i'm trying to learn some Russian since 2 weeks ago... I already can read cyrillic words and these words (all with English roots :lol: ): http://www.ezglot.com/common-words.php? ... mmon-words

But the grammar is absolutely crazy

Before the WC you will not learn))

i think never in my life, but I want at least basic phrases until june

попросите пивo, например

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby SallesNeto_BR » Thu, 22 Feb 2018, 00:25

Victor, is there information about some Tupi-Guarani ball/coconut sport before 1500? :lol:

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 22 Feb 2018, 02:31

Yep, indiaca is a Brazilian game with indigenous roots.

Rugby is a British sport of the 19th century, period. The English drew the rules that were spread around the world.

Humans played ball games since ever, everywhere in the globe. This doesn't make any ball game in any part of the world a rugby/football ancestor. It is just human to play with balls. However, it is obvious that if a country has a previous ball game that looks like football or rugby there will be a logical cultural "fusion" around it.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 22 Feb 2018, 02:36

AFL tried something similar with Aussie Rules football, making claims it was related to a game played by aboriginals thousands of years before European settlement. There's no clear evidence whether this was the case. The reality is ball games have existed for thousands of years across all cultures, and there's bound to be similarities between all of them. Too many baseless claims about what or who invented these sports, too many myths around them. Everyone knows the William Webb Ellis event is bull shit, he didn't invent rugby.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 22 Feb 2018, 03:08

Yep!

A game is different from a sport. A sport has a code of laws/rules regulated by institutions, based on concepts that arised during the late-18th/19th century in Europe. There is vast social sciences bibliography about this.

About Webb Ellis, yes, the first rugby laws were written in 1845, after him. And he was just pointed as the creator of rugby in the late 19th century, after his death. If you asked a rugby player from the 1860s if he knew Webb Ellis, he probably woudn't know him. Webb Ellis story was developed based on memories of old boys, when historians liked to "find" "creators", "founding fathers", "great men". This old view of History isn't accepted anymore, the Historical science is way far from such concepts. Rugby has no founding father. The games played by school boys were transformed in a period that wanted to regulate social interactions like those game, that were seen before as dangerous to public safety. Written rules changed the way those games were accepted. And with this, the games were tied to institutions, that responded to the society as such: clubs, unions, federations, boards...
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 23 Feb 2018, 08:18

SallesNeto_BR wrote:i think never in my life, but I want at least basic phrases until june

попросите пивo, например


Hmm ... I think you"re ready for trip! :lol:
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Fri, 23 Feb 2018, 10:28

The first interview with Mark McDermott.

http://www.rugby.ru/new/mark-makdermott ... iciej.html
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 24 Feb 2018, 17:58

Interview with Pervukhin.

https://rugger.info/russia/news/18737
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby SallesNeto_BR » Sun, 25 Feb 2018, 06:31

Vova12 wrote:
SallesNeto_BR wrote:i think never in my life, but I want at least basic phrases until june

попросите пивo, например


Hmm ... I think you"re ready for trip! :lol:

:lol: :lol:

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby olivier » Sun, 25 Feb 2018, 10:16

Vova12 wrote:Interview with Pervukhin.

https://rugger.info/russia/news/18737

Some interesting points. He regrets the lack of competition in RRPL saying Russian players don't play enough tight matches. He's right. He propose to allow the loan of young players from Krasnoyarsk to Slava and Metallurg. He also says RRPL should allow more foreign players to expose Russian players to higher level of play, He's right again.
But most of all, he understood how sevens is a complete bs for minor nations.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby amz » Sun, 25 Feb 2018, 10:23

olivier wrote:https://rugger.info/russia/news/18737

He also says RRPL should allow more foreign players to expose Russian players to higher level of play, He's right again.[/quote]

This goes against what have been said many times here about foreigners from Super Liga.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby vino_93 » Sun, 25 Feb 2018, 20:50

For a small country, you need foreigners to increase quickly the league level, and have better games for your n'est players. But you don't need too much, because you need too to let your youths - and best players - have game time. That's a difficult equation.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 26 Feb 2018, 09:52

You've got to expose local players to the skills and talents of players who have grown up in a rugby culture.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 10 Mar 2018, 17:57

New site "Slava" Moscow.

http://rugby-slava.ru/

Old i liked more.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Zhenya_Zima » Thu, 29 Mar 2018, 12:13

Quite why they need another foreign outside back I have no idea, but Enisei appear to have signed South African-born Australia-based Brendan Owen.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby 4N » Thu, 29 Mar 2018, 14:31

Well, if the U20 rules are changed/ignored due to Spain's lobbying, Russia should approach Khatchik Vartanov again. I know in the past he wasn't selected due to France U20 appearances, but apparently Spain didn't get the memo. :roll:

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby ZUKER » Thu, 29 Mar 2018, 19:50

Vartanov is very strong Prop so Russia have to do their best to join him into the Squad

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 29 Mar 2018, 20:21

"Continental Shield" Yenisei-STM "v" Krasny Yar "

https://rugger.info/russia/video/gal4246

31 march 15.00 Moscow time
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Zhenya_Zima » Thu, 29 Mar 2018, 23:01

4N wrote:Well, if the U20 rules are changed/ignored due to Spain's lobbying, Russia should approach Khatchik Vartanov again. I know in the past he wasn't selected due to France U20 appearances, but apparently Spain didn't get the memo. :roll:


Well, if indeed fielding whoever the fuck you want without worrying about the laws and/or consequences is the new (old) normal, let's bring him in! Thanks, Spain! WR will be along shortly to devote hours of social media promos to us and therefore we deserve to be at the RWC, regardless of onfield activities! Yay!

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby STMKY » Sun, 01 Apr 2018, 17:54

Dinamo Minsk is a new big rugby project.
http://rugby-slava.ru/news/roman-kokori ... go-dinamo/

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 01 Apr 2018, 18:02

STMKY wrote:Dinamo Minsk is a new big rugby project.
http://rugby-slava.ru/news/roman-kokori ... go-dinamo/

April Fools! :lol:
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