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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Boudewijn Vertonghen » Sat, 23 Sep 2017, 08:50

STMKY wrote:I'm not sure, but now only 8 clubs are professional. But four of them are financed only minimally and survive each year, sometimes they can not afford a distant exit (Slava Moscow, Metallurg Novokuznetsk, Imperia Penza and Bulava Taganrog). Also there are TOP-3 Enisei, Krasny Yar and VVA-Saracens. They added a new club Kuban Krasnodar, so now we have the TOP-4. Kuban is the youngest professional club, it was created in 1995 by rugby players from Novokuznetsk, who moved to the South of Russia. They specialized for a long time in rugby seven. Only in the last few years have started to play in the classic rugby.
Clubs are funded by sponsors and local government budgets in different proportions. The number of fans does not affect the financial status of clubs. In Russia, sport is traditionally not commerce. Perhaps only a few football and hockey clubs have a profit. In the USSR, the whole sport was financed by the state, so ordinary people do not want buy expensive tickets and pay for television broadcasts, another mentality. We pay taxes, and the state should finance sports.


Thank you for the answer :thumbup:

In Germany there's similarity - especially when stadiums, sports halls or smaller sports grounds are build. local governement (not only in cities – also in rural communes) pay plenty of money or all of the money. Most clubs can't afford to build these sports grounds on their own so the state has to finance that. Local authorities also support clubs with financial difficulties in many many cases.

Many German rugby clubs have more spectators than the only professional rugby team in Germany (Heidelberger RK), who normaly has less than 200 spectators. But in the past few years Heidelberger RK has this sponsor who spends plenty of money into this club (and also pays the rising costs of the national rugby union teams of Germany (7s and 15s) for the most part as well as investment into the rugby youth).

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Boudewijn Vertonghen » Sat, 23 Sep 2017, 08:59

Vova12 wrote:STMKY all very well written.
I would like to add that the state sponsors the Olympic sports more willingly.


Thank you for the answer :thumbup:

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 23 Sep 2017, 12:43

Tomorrow 15.00 Moscow time the match for the third place will begin.
VVA - Kuban

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 23 Sep 2017, 15:46

I forgot to add about the bar! The name "Hudson Bar". Lesnaya st., 20 Building 1.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 24 Sep 2017, 11:52

Fiji86 wrote:Hello friends,

What is the category in which Dynamo Moscow plays this year? And underneath the Premier League clubs play at the 2nd national level this season.
Greetings, Ignacio

"Dynamo" Moscow - Сhampion of Moscow 2017!

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 28 Sep 2017, 17:57

Before the Challenge Cup Krasny Yar and Yenisei intensified.
Three players from Tonga and Jaba Bregvadze from Georgia will play for Krasny Yar.
For the Enisei will play 9 players from Russian clubs.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Thu, 28 Sep 2017, 18:00

Match for the 5th place. SATURDAY 14.00 Moscow time.

Slava - Metallurg.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 30 Sep 2017, 06:16

Tomorrow will be the second final match. In the first match winning Yenisei. 11.00 Moscow time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqKRwqh0OD4

Tomorrow the match for third place. In the first Kuban won. 16.00 Moscow time
Kuban - VVA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJ1tyY2elA

And today at 14.00 Moscow time Slava - Metallurg.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 30 Sep 2017, 06:23

One of the new centers of rugby development in Russia. Novgorod is ancient Russian city in the west of Russia.

https://vk.com/video2789237_456239288

The tournament dedicated to the memory of the player "Varyag" Novgorod Alexandr Smirnov the deceased saving the child.
This stadium is local football club, but sometimes on the field plays a rugby "Varyag".
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 30 Sep 2017, 06:27

I understod why the Kuban had no money this season))

Galitsky built an excellent park in Krasnodar!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADHFHNmFzeI

I hope next season the Kuban will look even stronger.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby STMKY » Sat, 30 Sep 2017, 14:14

What about new government of Federation rugby?

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 30 Sep 2017, 16:36

STMKY wrote:What about new government of Federation rugby?

I do not think i can translate it into English.

https://rugger.info/russia/news/16468
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 30 Sep 2017, 16:52

At least Kopiev will furter developed rugby in his Homeland in London and not in Russia ...
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby STMKY » Sat, 30 Sep 2017, 17:03

Vova12 wrote:At least Kopiev will furter developed rugby in his Homeland in London and not in Russia ...

It's good, let him live in his Londongrad and do not return to Russia. The end of the era of Kopyev, the beginning of the Artemiev era? Is there any hope that Artemiev will really be engaged in the development of rugby in Russia?

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sat, 30 Sep 2017, 17:08

STMKY wrote:
Vova12 wrote:At least Kopiev will furter developed rugby in his Homeland in London and not in Russia ...

It's good, let him live in his Londongrad and do not return to Russia. The end of the era of Kopyev, the beginning of the Artemiev era? Is there any hope that Artemiev will really be engaged in the development of rugby in Russia?

I do not know. I hope so, athough i do not like liberals from "Yabloko".
There will be more money in the Federation, thats for sure.

Kopev should be thanks for his work, but after 2015 he had to leave.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 01 Oct 2017, 15:47

So, bref results of the rugby week.

1.Enisey
2 Krasny Yar
3 VVA
4 Kuban
5 Metallurg
6 Slava

The head of the Federal Antimonopoly Service Igor Artemyev was elected chairman of the surpeme council of the Rugby Federation Russia.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sun, 01 Oct 2017, 16:19

Highlights of both legs of the final.

https://youtu.be/sBwXPtyj6zA

Points difference was 11 after first match.

https://youtu.be/fzDPJh6X5yc

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 01 Oct 2017, 17:22

I go home from the grociery store. I see the prop from "Slava" Alexei Skobiola. He lives next to me in Medvedkovo.

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I told him: "We have a new leader - Artemiev."

He says: "Artemiev, is this who plays in Krasny Yar?".

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I say "No, ours is much worse ..."

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He does not even know about this event)) :lol:
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby STMKY » Sun, 01 Oct 2017, 19:14

I looked at Pozner Show with Artemyev, read his biography. In general, he is an intelligent man, very influential, originally from St. Petersburg. The fact that he is a liberal is a minus, but you can work with him. He knows all the top leaders in Russia, from Putin to the leaders of Gazprom and Rosneft. Perhaps they will help rugby financially? Create rugby club Zenit Petersburg for participation in PRO-14 with financial support from Gazprom? But so far nothing is known about his program and ideas in rugby.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Sun, 01 Oct 2017, 20:46

STMKY wrote:I looked at Pozner Show with Artemyev, read his biography. In general, he is an intelligent man, very influential, originally from St. Petersburg. The fact that he is a liberal is a minus, but you can work with him. He knows all the top leaders in Russia, from Putin to the leaders of Gazprom and Rosneft. Perhaps they will help rugby financially? Create rugby club Zenit Petersburg for participation in PRO-14 with financial support from Gazprom? But so far nothing is known about his program and ideas in rugby.

Forget about Pro 14. This is a dead end road. Our way in strengthening the national championship.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby STMKY » Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 10:29

Vova12 wrote:Forget about Pro 14. This is a dead end road. Our way in strengthening the national championship.

As a long-term way, I agree, but to make a strong National team for the near future better alternative than PRO-14 is not. We do not currently have 7-8 clubs of the Enisei and Krasny Yar level to have a competitive league.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby STMKY » Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 10:35

Yesterday Artemiev at the football stadium of CSKA in a blue\red scarf congratulated the amateur RC CSKA with a victory in the 2nd league of the Moscow championship. Suddenly. Kopiev never did this for the development of rugby in Russia.
https://vk.com/cska_rugby?z=video-13460 ... 4605111_-2

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 12:18

STMKY wrote:Yesterday Artemiev at the football stadium of CSKA in a blue\red scarf congratulated the amateur RC CSKA with a victory in the 2nd league of the Moscow championship. Suddenly. Kopiev never did this for the development of rugby in Russia.
https://vk.com/cska_rugby?z=video-13460 ... 4605111_-2

Judging by his words he is not very versed in rugby.
But enthusiasm is felt.
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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby Vova12 » Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 12:34

STMKY wrote:
Vova12 wrote:Forget about Pro 14. This is a dead end road. Our way in strengthening the national championship.

As a long-term way, I agree, but to make a strong National team for the near future better alternative than PRO-14 is not. We do not currently have 7-8 clubs of the Enisei and Krasny Yar level to have a competitive league.

This is the path of Italy. The way to destroy national championship.
In Russia can create a strong league. Kuban for the second year of participation in the championship wins Krasny Yar.
VVA can do this too.
Clubs need money. Less than the cost of one fat lazy ass of football "Zenith".

This is real. We need a fundraising program, advertising, qualified management.
In the future, the Georgian franchise will play in our championship.

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Re: Russian Rugby

Postby STMKY » Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 13:48

For a strong championship, we need rich sponsors in several cities. And we need rugby players of high level for 7-8 teams. They are not now. The only way to cancel the lemitore for foreign players, so that 15-20 foreigners can have in the club application for the season as in the TOP-14.

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