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Re: World Rankings

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 02 Feb 2016, 11:02

Canalina wrote:Men ranking + women ranking, the nations with more than 100 points

1 New Zealand 188.18
2 Australia 169.36
3 France 166.95
4 England 166.48
5 Ireland 164.78
6 Wales 157.49
7 South Africa 156.22
8 Usa 149.89
9 Italy 149.71
10 Canada 144.77
11 Scotland 143.66
12 Samoa 139.10
13 Spain 138.56
14 Japan 137.88
15 Russia 121.21
16 Fiji 120.91
17 Portugal 120.34
18 Netherlands 115.43
19 Germany 114.36
20 Tonga 111.65
21 Romania 111.54
22 Kazakhstan 110.39
23 Belgium 110.18
24 Hong Kong 108.44
25 Sweden 103.75
26 Kenya 100.24


Nice work, but I wouldn't use it, as the data is so unbelievable off in women's 15s rugby. Germany (women's 20th best team) hasn't played a single game in the last 5 years, while women's 14th ranked team Portugal has played one single game (and this was lost 0:50 against Germany 21 years ago)
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: World Rankings

Postby Canalina » Tue, 02 Feb 2016, 18:49

RugbyLiebe wrote:Nice work, but I wouldn't use it, as the data is so unbelievable off in women's 15s rugby. Germany (women's 20th best team) hasn't played a single game in the last 5 years, while women's 14th ranked team Portugal has played one single game (and this was lost 0:50 against Germany 21 years ago)

Yes, as we wrote in the women section, WR should have calibrated in a better way the women ranking. Providing a common starting base (Portugal started at 66 points, some other nations apparently at 45, some other at 40, Philippines at 30…) and with a penalization for the sleeping nations: a pair of points cut away every year without playing a test match could be sufficient to have rankings more faithful to the reality

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Re: World Rankings

Postby olivier » Mon, 29 Feb 2016, 15:23

http://www.worldrugby.org/rankings#mru
Many changes today. Portugal falls to 30th behind Kenya and Ukraine...

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Re: World Rankings

Postby Horsehead » Mon, 29 Feb 2016, 16:43

Great to see Georgia up to 13 above Italy!

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Re: World Rankings

Postby germanbullsfan » Mon, 29 Feb 2016, 17:23

Horsehead wrote:Great to see Georgia up to 13 above Italy!



They could be in front of France , and they would still not playing in the 6N !

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Re: World Rankings

Postby victorsra » Mon, 29 Feb 2016, 17:29

Is Brazil's victory a world record for difference of ranking positions? 26 positions of diference!
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Re: World Rankings

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 29 Feb 2016, 19:11

victorsra wrote:Is Brazil's victory a world record for difference of ranking positions? 26 positions of diference!


At least for one team being a world cup participant.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: World Rankings

Postby GeoRugby » Tue, 01 Mar 2016, 03:44

germanbullsfan wrote:
Horsehead wrote:Great to see Georgia up to 13 above Italy!



They could be in front of France , and they would still not playing in the 6N !


They can take their dusty old 6N and shove it where the sun don`t shine.

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Re: World Rankings

Postby paratus » Tue, 01 Mar 2016, 06:44

victorsra wrote:Is Brazil's victory a world record for difference of ranking positions? 26 positions of diference!

What do you mean?

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Re: World Rankings

Postby paratus » Tue, 01 Mar 2016, 06:51

paratus wrote:
victorsra wrote:Is Brazil's victory a world record for difference of ranking positions? 26 positions of diference!

What do you mean?

Oh I see what you mean! Sorry! Not quite, I think UAE's win over Chinese Taipei last year there was a 28 point difference, although UAE's ranking was artificially low due to them regrouping from the old Arabian Gulf team and reentering the rankings on 30 points

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Re: World Rankings

Postby Canalina » Mon, 07 Nov 2016, 16:44

Finally Rwanda in the rankings! http://www.worldrugby.org/rankings/mru

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Re: World Rankings

Postby Canalina » Sat, 26 Nov 2016, 21:36

A commendable wiki page with the best and worst rankings for the top teams
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rug ... _and_worst

As far as I can see World Rugby website has not this sort of data

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Re: World Rankings

Postby antlat » Sun, 27 Nov 2016, 02:57

Using the calculator located at http://irbrankingcalculator.azurewebsites.net/, the rankings for 12 automatic qualifiers are as follows,

1. New Zealand 94.78
2. England 89.84
3. Australia 86.97
4. Ireland 84.62
5. Wales 82.55
6. South Africa 81.79
7. Scotland 80.67
8. France 80.13
9. Argentina 79.91
11. Japan 74.22
12. Georgia 74.14
13. Italy 72.47

Based on these Rankings the bands for the World Cup draw will be as follows,

Band 1
New Zealand, England, Australia and Ireland.

Band 2
Wales, South Africa, Scotland and France.

Band 3
Argentina, Japan, Georgia and Italy.

We could potentially have a Pool of Death with 3 of the 4 Rugby Championship teams.
That is, New Zealand or Australia, South Africa and Argentina. Wouldn't that be something!!!!!
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Re: World Rankings

Postby GeoRugby » Sun, 27 Nov 2016, 03:10

That is, New Zealand or Australia, South Africa and Argentina. Wouldn't that be something!!!!!


If South Africa turn things around, then yes.

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Re: World Rankings

Postby dropkick » Thu, 01 Dec 2016, 14:11

The timing of matches also play a massive part. Remember the Ireland Argentina 1/4 final. In the 2 matches leading up to that, Ireland had to play Italy and France while Argentina had Tonga and Namibia.


Looking at the groups, Argentina had a much easier group (NZ, Georgia, Namibia, Tonga) than the higher ranked Australia (England, Wales, Fiji, Uruguay).

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Re: World Rankings

Postby carbonero » Thu, 01 Dec 2016, 18:19

dropkick wrote: Looking at the groups, Argentina had a much easier group (NZ, Georgia, Namibia, Tonga) than the higher ranked Australia (England, Wales, Fiji, Uruguay).


Looking at the groups, Ireland had a much easier group than the higher ranked Australia/England.

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Re: World Rankings

Postby dropkick » Thu, 01 Dec 2016, 18:59

carbonero wrote:
dropkick wrote: Looking at the groups, Argentina had a much easier group (NZ, Georgia, Namibia, Tonga) than the higher ranked Australia (England, Wales, Fiji, Uruguay).


Looking at the groups, Ireland had a much easier group than the higher ranked Australia/England.



Thats the point I'm making. The rankings are important but lower ranked team can get a better draw than higher ranked teams.

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Re: World Rankings

Postby sk 88 » Fri, 02 Dec 2016, 12:38

The only one that really makes a difference is slipping into the third pot as that guarantees 2 tough teams in the group. 1/4 teams in top two groups will get decent 3rd pool side and therefore tough group.

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Re: World Rankings

Postby Canalina » Tue, 13 Dec 2016, 05:55

There are just very few test matches missing before the end of the year and we may already see that the tail of the rankings will not change in the next two weeks. So we may say that at december 26th 2016 the "black jerseys" of men's and women's rankings will be the same of december 28th 2015: American Samoa (passed from 102nd to 103rd after the inclusion of Rwanda) and Czech Republic (passed from 48th to 49th after the inclusion of Papua Guinea). American Samoa haven't played a match in the whole year, women's Czech Rep. played two games losing them both.
This is the history record of the rankings' black jerseys, at the end of 2016

Finland 438 weeks
Bosnia Erz. 116 weeks
American Samoa 104 weeks
Greece 33 weeks

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Czech Rep. 54 weeks

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Re: World Rankings

Postby Canalina » Wed, 14 Dec 2016, 09:55

The rankings are at most definitive for 2016, also because we don't know if World Rugby will count next week's Tunisia v Morocco. Changes in these last twelve months have been not enormous: just three nations have gained more than ten positions and just one have lost at least ten. In the past years the changes were more blatant, if I remember correctly. In absolute terms the best raise up comes from the Arab Emirates (13 positions gained, from 85 to 72), but the best exploit is certainly the one from England: eighth at december 28 2015 and second at december 26 2016. The worst fall (if I haven't made mistakes) comes from Croatia: from 46th to 56th

ARAB EMIRATES 72, -13
SENEGAL 39, -11
LATVIA 51, -11
ENGLAND 2, -6
BRAZIL 36, -6

ZIMBABWE 37, +6
MADAGASCAR 47, +6
PERU 78, +7
CROATIA 56, +10

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Re: World Rankings

Postby victorsra » Wed, 14 Dec 2016, 20:17

Brazil is UP 6 positions, not down. We finished 2015 in the 42nd place.
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Re: World Rankings

Postby sammo » Wed, 14 Dec 2016, 21:03

This confused me at first as well, but -6 is getting better by 6 places, i.e from 42 to 36.

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Re: World Rankings

Postby victorsra » Wed, 14 Dec 2016, 21:44

oh, true
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Re: World Rankings

Postby Canalina » Wed, 14 Dec 2016, 22:17

Yes, it's always ambiguous. Whether you use - or + it's always subject to misunderstanding : )

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Re: World Rankings

Postby Neptune » Thu, 15 Dec 2016, 12:25

Sables4EVA wrote:
Rowan wrote:Well, the year Tunisia were denied direct qualification on aggregate after a drawn series with Namibia was the same year they went to the repechages instead and got smashed by Romania. So they really weren't up to the task anyway. Similarly, I don't recall that Chile really got that close either, despite a shock home-win over the US. It came down to their last game, in the US, where they were decisively beaten and thus consigned to the bottom of the table. I would say that Morocco's narrow defeat to Uruguay on aggregate in the 1999 repechage was a much closer call, and perhaps they are the most unlucky nation so far not to have qualified for the World Cup.


I would say Zimbabwe being one bad decision away from the World Cup (going for posts instead of the bonus point try against Kenya) is the winner of the unluckiest title.



Sables4EVA i can totally relate to your frustration. The same happened to Kenya. We had defeated Namibia and Madagascar, only to loose to Zim. You guys had us on the backfoot. To be honest , any good team should be able to play above the referee's decisions, even if he/she becomes biased, but if you look at that game closely, all the 50/50 calls went to Zim, and to add salt to injury, the referee of that game Lourens Van der Merwe had been previously banned from Super Rugby for contentious calls. Anyway, that aside, we are now focusing on Japan RWC, and hopefully we get to host the qualifiers in Nairobi. Looking at the current state of affairs we defeated the Sables in Harare 61 - 15, which mark you we all know how Harare and Windhoek are tough venues. But the year 2016 was good for us, as we won 6 of the 7 tests, only loosing to the Welschwistas. Anyway, all the best to all African teams as the fight for that sole slot, but rest assured the Simba XVs will come fighting hard. Personally, ill be proud if another African nation apart from Namibia go for the world cup. It will be good news to my ears.

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