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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Raven » Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 15:45

Armchair Fan wrote:Spanish rugby is as close to a Men's XV World Cup comeback as to a civil war. This is what Jaime Nava told media yesterday after beating Belgium when, if I reckon well, he was asked about what he expected for next season:
"Today we must enjoy the moment. Tomorrow we will be greeted and given some pats on the back, but I fear on Monday we're going to be back to reality: we're not united. We've got a Spanish rugby where everybody looks after their own interests. And if we don't clear up our mess, this Spanish rugby momentum will quickly turn into the same issues as ever instead of having a common project, a clear one where we all push towards the same goal, looking to improve Spanish rugby as a whole. July will come and FER's General Assembly will meet to vote the same bullshit as every year. Sorry, maybe not bullshit, but topics that aren't really that important.

We carry a great momentum, let's do serious things. Clubs, players, unions, female players, union... Spanish Rugby Union must change too, must improve... But, hey, Spanish Rugby Union doesn't do everything wrong, it can't be either everybody's boxing sparring and the one receiving all the criticism from Spanish rugby. People must be close to the union, help and push at the same time. If not, after two or three playing phases, we will back to what Spanish Rugby has always been. And we won't change anything at all. Spanish rugby must unite NOW. We must united because if not, everything will quickly expire, it will be of no help that our team works well, like women, like sevens... All that success won't be of any help at all.

Sorry if I got angry, but really, let's wake up. Clubs, players, regional unions, FER as our main representative body... Let's carry all the same chariot."

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He is right and has a good point though.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 15:53

Of course he is, but I'd have never expected the captain to be as vocal as he was. And a few days before both him and Gautier Gibouin (the other captain) were asked about where should Spain play and they were clearly advocating for games like the one in Medina del Campo (Georgia) and Málaga (Uruguay) instead of playing in Madrid.

If you ask me, I believe there is a chance to host Romania and Germany next year at Zorrilla, in Valladolid. But we should already be working on it. Plus looking for new territories to explore in November, when it seems all the work is being done to secure and host three high quality test matches (a massive improvement for Spain, who had 0 in 2014, 1 in 2015 and 2 in 2016). But first, let's see what kind of squad we can bring for our four games in June...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 21 Mar 2017, 14:08

Once the Copa del Rey final mess sorted (Santboiana has accepted FER's decision even if they decided to share their disconfort yesterday in front of media), we've got new sources of conflict... But first, squads for U20 European Championship and Hong Kong Sevens

U20 European Championship
Tomás Munilla (Ciencias)
Andrés Vallejo (Helvetia)
Rafael Muñoz (San Jerónimo)
Gabriel Vélez (Atlético Portuense)
Iñaki Mateu (Alcobendas)
Diego Carvajales (Liceo Francés)
Hugo Pichot (Santboiana)
Rochedi Mirabert (BUC)
Víctor Sánchez (Independiente)
Alejandro Alonso (VRAC)
Raúl Calzón (VRAC)
Juan Soloaga (VRAC)
Pere Fernández (VRAC)
Loïc Verstrepen (CAU) - Injured during training, replaced by Alex Gimeno (Bourg-en-Bresse)
Luis Almenara (CAU)
Fernando Raga (CAU)
Ignacio Herrero (CAU)
Alberto Mendoza (Tecnidex)
Teo Brun (Bordeaux)
Alexis Brun (Bordeaux)
Peio Gil (Bordeaux)
Jordi Jorba (USAP)
Raphaël Lassegnore (Langon)
Tobias Francis (Leeds)
Hugo Moriarty-Souto (Rumney)

Hong Kong Sevens warm-up
Perico Martín (Alcobendas)
Jacobo Marín (Alcobendas)
Iñaki Villanueva (Alcobendas)
Ángel López (Alcobendas)
Rafa Santiago (CRC)
Zach Taylor (CRC)
Alvar Gimeno (Cisneros)
Paco Hernández (Cisneros)
Gorka Gorrotxategui (Cisneros)
Manuel Sáinz-Trápaga (Cisneros)
Pol Pla (FC Barcelona)
Ignacio Martín (Bera Bera)
Igor Genua (Hernani)
Javier Carrión (La Vila)
Pablo Fontes (Castanet)
Lucas Levy (Provence)
Jakie Carter (Dubai Hurricanes)

There are 25 names in the U20 Euro squad and Gimeno and Taylor are U20 even though retained by Feijóo to prepare Hong Kong... Will one of them be released in time for the trip to Bucharest? It's funny we've got this kind of issue between Spanish teams when the word in the street last weeks was that USAP wasn't happy to release again Jordi Jorba (he played full REC and USAP is leader in French Espoirs competition...).

He isn't the only name rumoured to have problems to be released for Spanish under age teams. Samuel Ezeala, who played aged only 16 in last year U18 Euro, is said to be courted by French Federation to be poached in the future... He plays for Clermont and has even been upgraded to Espoirs in spite of being still 17, scoring two tries against Pau ten days ago.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 28 Mar 2017, 12:12

División de Honor Week 19
SilverStorm El Salvador 22 - 13 UE Santboiana
Senor Independiente 14 - 59 VRAC Quesos Entrepinares
Complutense Cisneros 22 - 32 Sanitas Alcobendas
AMPO Ordizia 32 - 6 Bizkaia Gernika
Getxo Artea 26 - 22 Hernani
FC Barcelona 33 - 20 Ciencias Fundación Cajasol (it's safe to say Ciencias is virtually relegated)

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Alfonso Feijóo was interviewed last week by El Tercer Tiempo podcast. Among a lot of things he said, not always in a proper manner (let's be honest, he's totally clueless about how to talk to media), he talked about a potential Iberian league. Spanish and Portuguese unions have agreed terms. Spanish clubs are divided, but those not interested in such competition accept to content theirselves with national competitions. The main opposition seems to come from Portuguese clubs. They aren't interested in a full league and prefer to see an expanded Copa Ibérica before making further steps. But Feijóo wants it to be done as quick as possible and reminds that our schedule is already full and we can't afford more games.

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FER has also presented their plans for national academies. For 2017, six academies have been put in place in Madrid, Barcelona, Valladolid, San Sebastián, Valencia and Sevilla, with both boys and girls aged between 15 and 19 to train together between 6 and 8 times a year. It's way better than what we used to have, but I'm not happy with the fact no mention is done to what will happen to other regions and criteria used for players selection (I mean, I live in Andalucia, I know there are good young teams in Marbella and Puerto de Santa María; yet all male players selected are from Sevilla...). The idea is to create further regional training groups for U13 to U15 players later on.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 03 Apr 2017, 18:02

Today was the first day where general tickets could be bought for Copa del Rey final. 5,000 tickets were put on sale and they've sold every single one of them. In the most famous rugby bar in Valladolid their 1,000-ticket allocation only lasted for 26 minutes...
https://twitter.com/_rugbya_/status/848957759555022850

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Mon, 03 Apr 2017, 18:13

At that rate you should play the final in Bilbao too. :p

Is it the top two straight into the final with no playoffs?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 03 Apr 2017, 18:38

Spanish and Portuguese unions have agreed terms. Spanish clubs are divided, but those not interested in such competition accept to content theirselves with national competitions. The main opposition seems to come from Portuguese clubs. T


The former Superibérica league suffred from Portuguese lack of interest, wasn't it?
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 03 Apr 2017, 19:35

Bruce_ma_goose wrote:At that rate you should play the final in Bilbao too. :p

Is it the top two straight into the final with no playoffs?

No. Copa del Rey is a knockout competition involving the Spanish representative in European competition (El Salvador, entering directly into semifinals) and top 6 teams from league's first leg (playing quarterfinals). Games are the result of a draw, which meant Santboiana reached the final through an easier path and Valladolid clubs played against Alcobendas (top 3 teams).

League final is held wherever the best seeded finalist decides.

victorsra wrote:
Spanish and Portuguese unions have agreed terms. Spanish clubs are divided, but those not interested in such competition accept to content theirselves with national competitions. The main opposition seems to come from Portuguese clubs. T


The former Superibérica league suffred from Portuguese lack of interest, wasn't it?


It was one reason, but not the only one. Far from it.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 03 Apr 2017, 22:05

Local news from Valladolid. There was people queueing from 7:00 waiting for tickets, that didn't arrive until 11:00 :shock:


It is also said that El Salvador sold 1,500 tickets during the weekend only among their usual fanbase, from an allocation of 4,000 tickets reserved to Valladolid clubs. That means at the very least 6,500 tickets sold, not including those distributed by VRAC (in the 4,000 quota), Santboiana (1,200) or other clubs interested (6,000).

The video includes a 15 minute documentary about El Salvador. Its title ("In contraria ducet") is their slogan.

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This is the team we've sent to Hong Kong Sevens. Lots of experience to compensate the lack of training:
Iñaki Villanueva (Sanitas Alcobendas)
Ignacio Martín (Bera Bera)
Jakie Carter (Dubai Hurricanes)
Joan Losada (FC Barcelona)
Javier Carrión (La Vila)
Pablo Fontes (Castanet)
Paco Hernández (Cisneros)
Igor Genua (Hernani)
Ángel López (Sanitas Alcobendas)
Perico Martín (Sanitas Alcobendas)
Lucas Levy (Provence Rugby)
Pol Pla (FC Barcelona)

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 04 Apr 2017, 17:53

División de Honor Week 20
SilverStorm El Salvador 54 - 31 Senor Independiente
Ciencias Fundación Cajasol 7 - 89 VRAC Quesos Entrepinares (it's the second time this season Ciencias receives 80+ points...)
Bizkaia Gernika - Sanitas Alcobendas (postponed due to Hong Kong Sevens)
UE Santboiana 34 - 7 AMPO Ordizia
Complutensen Cisneros 47 - 19 Getxo Artea
Hernani 15 - 7 FC Barcelona

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U18 Spanish team for European Open Championship:
Óscar Sánchez (Northampton)
Nil Gabarró (Santboiana)
Javier Prieto (Biarritz)
Alfonso González (Hortaleza)
Miguel Bermejo (Les Abelles)
Xavi Cebrian (Sant Cugat)
Luca Nelles (Ponent)
Octave Cassand (Liceo Francés)
Alex Acarreta (Bera Bera)
Jaume Magré (FC Barcelona)
Olmo Rodríguez (CRC)
Marc Sanchez (CAU Valencia)
Toti Soler (Sant Cugat)
Aitor Olasagasti (Ordizia)
Miguel Reina (Ciencias)
Kerman Aurrotekotxea (Getxo)
Elliot Expósito (Liceo Francés)
Javier López (Wasps)
Agustín Cloussard (Liceo Francés)
Dani Barranco (Sant Cugat)
Nicolás Petros (Wasps)
Ignacio Guerra Sevillano (VRAC)
Martin Alonso (Clermont)
Tobias Sáinz-Trapaga (Cisneros)
Samuel Ezeala (Clermont)
Lucas Martín (Les Abelles)

Unfortunately they will face for the second season in a row France in quarterfinals :cry:

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby olivier » Wed, 05 Apr 2017, 10:10

Take note : 3 players in England, 3 in France.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 05 Apr 2017, 11:13

And there were 3 more players from France in previous camps that haven't been retained in the final squad...

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RugbYa confirms the lot of 2,000 tickets for Copa del Rey final put on sale this morning is already gone. People will have to wait until Monday now... So we've got 7,000 general tickets sold, plus those allocated to clubs.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby ihateblazers » Wed, 05 Apr 2017, 12:06

I'm guessing the English club guys are just there on a exchange/training basis? Or maybe they're studying in one of the local rugby playing schools? Premiership sides don't tend to contract players to the club till 18+

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby suofficer » Wed, 05 Apr 2017, 12:18

It'll most likely just be good school 1st xv and then attached to an academy?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby ihateblazers » Thu, 06 Apr 2017, 03:15

That seems likely. The English system is good at preparing players for senior level rugby, they will be getting good conditioning and training. Difficult to get an academy contract with the foreign restrictions though

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby sk 88 » Thu, 06 Apr 2017, 14:14

There are no restrictions on EU citizens. Players sign forms with clubs at 14 and go pro anywhere between 16 and 19 depending on schooling. Under 18s could very easily be pro players in the academy, or could be in a local school. Unless someone knows for sure you can't really guess.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 12 Apr 2017, 22:44

División de Honor Week 21
AMPO Ordizia 10 - 33 SilverStorm El Salvador
VRAC Quesos Entrepinares 55 - 5 Hernani
FC Barcelona 41 - 26 Complutense Cisneros (upset)
Ciencias Fundación Cajasol 33 - 40 Senor Independiente (Ciencias is relegated)
Getxo Artea 23 - 40 Bizkaia Gernika

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Rugbya, Copa del Rey final promoters, say they have sold 22,500 tickets so far.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 25 Apr 2017, 11:32

División de Honor - Week 22
SilverStorm El Salvador 32 - 31 Sanitas Alcobendas
Complutense Cisneros 12 - 33 VRAC Quesos Entrepinares
UE Santboiana 62 - 8 Getxo Artea
Senor Independiente 28 - 10 AMPO Ordizia
Hernani 33 - 10 Ciencias Fundación Cajasol
Bizkaia Gernika 40 - 28 FC Barcelona

Highlights


Regular season final standings
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Quarterfinals will be Alcobendas v Independiente and Santboiana v Cisneros. Semifinals will be hosted by Valladolid clubs. Getxo will play a relegation play-off and Ciencias was already directly relegated.

Alcobendas has hired Giorgi Mchedilishvili for play-off rounds, as a medical joker.

And don't forget this Sunday we've got Copa del Rey final at Zorrilla (+25,000 spectators again). It will be broadcast live by sports channel from both Spanish and Catalan public broadcasters, but even if I insisted a lot to have an answer, it's unclear whether it will be easily streamed to abroad fans (Youtube, Dailymotion), but you should be able to watch it online from 12:30 CET here:
http://www.ccma.cat/tv3/directe/esport3/
http://www.rtve.es/directo/teledeporte/

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 28 Apr 2017, 20:44

A huge row has emerged in the latest days because SilverStorm El Salvador played last league game with Hansie Graaff, who had been shown three yellow cards during the season and should have been benched... but FER didn't publish his punishment in its official bulletin ahead of the game. VRAC Quesos Entrepinares protested this (because it might allow them to finish first in regular season and earn all revenues from the final) and Graaff will miss Copa del Rey final. But the most dangerous thing is that Valladolid newspapers have published Graaff wasn't the only El Salvador player who has incurred in such irregularities this season.

Basically this could cast clouds over all league final standings and it comes in the worst possible moment, with Copa del Rey final taking place in 36 hours... Union amateurism at its best.

Anyway I leave here a teaser published by FER

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 29 Apr 2017, 08:21

Difficult one. Gut feel says union responsible for discipline and if they didn't ban him, or forgot or whatever, its not his or the club's fault so they were okay to play him. Would seem MORE unfair to dock points after the fact when they never got round to officially banning him.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 30 Apr 2017, 08:23

As an example of the increased effort from promoters, the stadium simply looks gorgeous with unified advertisement banners
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In spite of the current civil war climate in Spanish rugby and a rainy and very windy day in Valladolid, I hope we're able to put on a show T2 and T3 nations can be proud of.

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Re: Spanish rugby

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 30 Apr 2017, 10:31

Attendance is still great, but the stadium isn't full :(

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby sammo » Sun, 30 Apr 2017, 10:36

The weather looks pretty terrible to be fair!

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 30 Apr 2017, 10:39

Yeah. Tickets have been sold, but people prefer to stay under covered stand or didn't show up at all.

Nice to see EPCR advertising during the final!

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