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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby pcanbor » Tue, 09 Jan 2018, 12:47

Do you really think Ezeala would have future playing for France?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 10 Jan 2018, 11:57

Liga Heineken - Week 13 - Results & Standings
VRAC Quesos Entrepinares 53 - 0 Hernani
UE Santboiana 23 - 28 SilverStorm El Salvador
La Vila 22 - 21 FC Barcelona :shock:
Getxo Artea v Sanitas Alcobendas - Postponed
AMPO Ordizia v Senor Independiente - Postponed
Complutense Cisneros v Bizkaia Gernika - Postponed

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Highlights:


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Pablo Feijóo has called 17 players to prepare Sevens World Series Oceania rounds. Javier Carrión, who was stellar at Dubai and Cape Town is missing. Will he be involved in REC campaign then? On the other hand, Iñaki Villanueva returns and I fear that means he won't be part of XV team:
- Tom Pearce (SilverStorm El Salvador)
- Alex Alonso (VRAC Quesos Entrepinares)
- Jacobo Martín (Sanitas Alcobendas)
- Paco Hernández (Complutense Cisneros)
- Manu Sáinz-Trápaga (Complutense Cisneros)
- Ignacio Rodríguez-Guerra (Complutense Cisneros)
- Pablo Fontes (Majadahonda)
- Rafa de Santiago (CRC Pozuelo)
- Joshua Taylor (CRC Pozuelo)
- Ignacio Martín (AVK Bera Bera)
- Igor Genua (Hernani)
- Javi de Juan (Ciencias Fundación Cajasol)
- Pol Pla (FC Barcelona)
- Iñaki Villanueva (no team)
- Marcos Poggi (no team)
- Lucas Levy (Berre-l’Étang)
- Jackie Carter (Hartpury College/Dubai Hurricanes)

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FER has released GIR program 2017 stats, with a 50% increase in the number of kids involved. The cumulated figure is 85,234 (51,013 boys - 34,221 girls).

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pcanbor wrote:Do you really think Ezeala would have future playing for France?

For the moment he was interviewed in El Tercer Tiempo and he was quite evasive when asked about playing for Spain... The problem isn't if he has a future or not playing for France, but just if he believes he has. That's enough to prevent FER from calling him.
http://cope-cdnmed.agilecontent.com/res ... 159298.mp3

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 11 Jan 2018, 12:24

As shared in El Salvador forum, it seems FER finally has a strategic plan approved by World Rugby until 2023:
http://www.ferugby.es/userfiles/file/Pl ... 7-2023.pdf

I've never been a fan of them, since World Rugby has driven other unions to wrong paths (Canada) or we've seen strategic plans totally failed (Portugal), but hey, these are some the goals :roll:
- 55,000 registered players by 2023 (32,000 in 2016)
- Qualifying for 2019 and 2023 RWC and winning at least a game
- Being consistently Top 3 in REC and winning a title before 2023
- Reaching #15 in World Rugby Rankings
- Qualifying for 2020 Olympic Games
- Qualifying for 2018 (failed) & 2022 Sevens World Cup
- Maintaining Core Team status in World Sevens Series
- Remaining Top 4 in European Grand Prix Series every year
- Reaching Top 7 in 2017 Women's World Cup (failed)
- Qualifying for 2021 Women's World Cup
- Winning Rugby Europe Women's XV Championship every year
- Qualifying and finishing Top 8 in 2020 Olympic Games in women's tournament
- Qualifying for 2022 Sevens World Cup with women's team
- Maintaining Core Team status in Women's World Sevens Series and reaching Top 6
- Qualifying for U20 World Rugby Trophy at least three times before 2023
- Winning U20 World Rugby Trophy at least once before 2023
- Being Top 3 in U20 Rugby Europe Championship every year
- Reaching semifinals of U18 Rugby Europe Championship regularly
- Winning a U18 Rugby Europe Championship before 2023
- Having 5 international referees
- Creating an elite group of players, 45 for XV and 20 for 7s
- A 25% yearly increase of sponsorship revenues
- Selling at least 40,000€ in merchandising every year
- Generating at least 50,000€ of revenue per international game held in Spain
- Promoting every November at least one game against a Tier 1 nation or a commercially attractive Tier 2 side
- Holding international tournaments (XV or 7s)

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 11 Jan 2018, 12:59

How is FER's staff to deal with so many goals?
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 11 Jan 2018, 13:04

Considering in the last year both marketing and media guys have left, there is basically the same people there was 20 years ago. But hey, the document says a lot is going to be done in 2018...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 11 Jan 2018, 13:19

How many people?
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Bogdan_DC » Thu, 11 Jan 2018, 13:19

90% of those goals are hard or very hard to be achieved. But not impossible either.:)

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 11 Jan 2018, 13:34

victorsra wrote:How many people?


According to the organigram published in the website, there is 15-20 people paid in some way ("Remunerado"). But I doubt most of them are full-time.

Bogdan_DC wrote:90% of those goals are hard or very hard to be achieved. But not impossible either.:)


My feeling is World Rugby asks unions to lie.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby pcanbor » Thu, 11 Jan 2018, 17:37

My general impression of the current FER is that they are more dynamic and proactive than previous ones despite the presence of some members who are there since 20 years ago...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby carbonero » Thu, 11 Jan 2018, 21:33

Strategic plans are generally pointless. This one is not the exception. The high performance stuff is as vague as it gets, almost trying to conform World Rugby without actually doing anything. Also, the local league/clubs are barely mentioned in the document.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Boudewijn Vertonghen » Sat, 13 Jan 2018, 13:02

Is there still a discussion in Spain about something like a Superiberica de Rugby like the one from 2009? Or does nobody even think about that?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 13 Jan 2018, 13:17

No. There are talks about an expanded Copa Ibérica, but it would involve clubs not franchises and it wouldn't have more than four or six teams. Efforts are focused on improving Liga Heineken and maybe, only maybe, having clubs taking the reins instead of FER.

Former football player and TV host Michael Robinson was behind Super Ibérica and recently talked about his experience, heavily criticising those who hold the power in Spanish rugby:
- "Teams didn't even pay the fee to take part in it"
- "Nobody can do for rugby what rugby doesn't even want to do for itself"
- "There are caciques in Spanish rugby. I suffered presidents who glued theirselves to their throne and used rugby (for their own benefit)"
- "They aren't open to push for Spanish rugby because they are happy enough being the president of their club, their regional union or Spanish rugby, although I have to exclude Alfonso Feijóo (current FER president, from that mentality"
- "Rugby is the team sport by excellence, their players are gladiators, it has an elegant fragance, but Spanish rugby high floors don't have that"
- Spanish Sports Council tried to convince Robinson to involve himself again in Spanish rugby developement, "but I won't do that if the same people is still in power"
http://www.elfaradio.com/2018/01/11/mic ... ha-muerto/

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 14 Jan 2018, 10:24

Liga Heineken - Week 14 - Live Streaming
12:00 CET - Bizkaia Gernika v VRAC Quesos Entrepinares


12:00 CET - Senor Independiente v Getxo Artea


12:00 CET - UE Santboiana v La Vila


12:00 CET - Hernani v FC Barcelona


12:30 CET - Complutense Cisneros v Sanitas Alcobendas


13:00 CET - SilverStorm El Salvador v AMPO Ordizia
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 14 Jan 2018, 16:30

So what do you guys all think about the Champions Cup final being held in Bilbao? Have they done any kind of outreach to local clubs for developmental purposes? Have you seen any increase in awareness for rugby in the area?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 14 Jan 2018, 17:26

Tobar wrote:So what do you guys all think about the Champions Cup final being held in Bilbao? Have they done any kind of outreach to local clubs for developmental purposes? Have you seen any increase in awareness for rugby in the area?

The shortest and most honest answer is it won't hurt. Apart from that, it's hard to see tangible positives.

A local club near Bilbao is going to host Continental Shield final and tickets at a low rate have been promised to clubs (although the method has been chaotic and provoked some criticism towards Spanish Rugby Union). And considering this is still an event pretty much promoted for fans coming from abroad, promoters have done much more efforts than Top 14 did when Barcelona hosted its final back in 2016. Spanish media have been invited to pool games, Vincent Gaillard gave interviews and promised a fanzone in Bilbao city centre for four days (LNR didn't do anything at all in Barcelona)...

Will that be converted into more interest around rugby and an increase in rugby players and clubs? I'm quite skeptical. Basque Country along with Catalonia have always been Spanish rugby strongholds but the trend has changed quite a lot in the last decade and growth there has stagnated compared to other faster-growing regions, only somewhat camouflaged by the increase in women's rugby. Demography doesn't help either, Euskadi isn't too big and is full of small villages. Lots of them have rugby clubs and they are overrepresented in Spanish leagues (four in 12-team top tier and five more in second-tier league), but this dispersion and the fact big cities like Bilbao or Vitoria haven't got big clubs plays against them.

To me success will be measured by the following points:
- San Mamés is a sellout
- There is media buzz in Spain around finals
- More cities become open to hosting rugby events in their soccer stadiums like Valladolid, Barcelona, San Sebastián or Bilbao have done in recent times
- A slight increase in 2018 registered players figures in the Basque Country, especially regarding men

From what we learnt in 2016, Bilbao finals won't make a huge impact by theirselves but only if it goes accompanied by other good news about Spanish rugby. 2016 was magical not because of Top 14 final or reaching the Olympics only, but because this happened with good U20 performances, Spanish cup at Zorrilla success, women qualifying for WRWC too... If in the same weekend Bilbao finals are a success and Spain beats Portugal in a hypothetical RWC qualifier, two weeks after a new sellout in Spanish cup final, that will be a good step.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 14 Jan 2018, 19:46

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Tobar wrote:So what do you guys all think about the Champions Cup final being held in Bilbao? Have they done any kind of outreach to local clubs for developmental purposes? Have you seen any increase in awareness for rugby in the area?

The shortest and most honest answer is it won't hurt. Apart from that, it's hard to see tangible positives.

A local club near Bilbao is going to host Continental Shield final and tickets at a low rate have been promised to clubs (although the method has been chaotic and provoked some criticism towards Spanish Rugby Union). And considering this is still an event pretty much promoted for fans coming from abroad, promoters have done much more efforts than Top 14 did when Barcelona hosted its final back in 2016. Spanish media have been invited to pool games, Vincent Gaillard gave interviews and promised a fanzone in Bilbao city centre for four days (LNR didn't do anything at all in Barcelona)...

Will that be converted into more interest around rugby and an increase in rugby players and clubs? I'm quite skeptical. Basque Country along with Catalonia have always been Spanish rugby strongholds but the trend has changed quite a lot in the last decade and growth there has stagnated compared to other faster-growing regions, only somewhat camouflaged by the increase in women's rugby. Demography doesn't help either, Euskadi isn't too big and is full of small villages. Lots of them have rugby clubs and they are overrepresented in Spanish leagues (four in 12-team top tier and five more in second-tier league), but this dispersion and the fact big cities like Bilbao or Vitoria haven't got big clubs plays against them.

To me success will be measured by the following points:
- San Mamés is a sellout
- There is media buzz in Spain around finals
- More cities become open to hosting rugby events in their soccer stadiums like Valladolid, Barcelona, San Sebastián or Bilbao have done in recent times
- A slight increase in 2018 registered players figures in the Basque Country, especially regarding men

From what we learnt in 2016, Bilbao finals won't make a huge impact by theirselves but only if it goes accompanied by other good news about Spanish rugby. 2016 was magical not because of Top 14 final or reaching the Olympics only, but because this happened with good U20 performances, Spanish cup at Zorrilla success, women qualifying for WRWC too... If in the same weekend Bilbao finals are a success and Spain beats Portugal in a hypothetical RWC qualifier, two weeks after a new sellout in Spanish cup final, that will be a good step.


This is very helpful thank you. I assumed that there wasn't a ton of work done by the unions in developing rugby here and that it is primarily geared towards foreigners but was hopeful.

I would expect San Mames sells out relatively easily. Camp Nou sold out at 98,000 tickets and that was just for one league. The European Champions Cup will likely be 2 different leagues and from the looks of the results so far that will be a French team and an Irish/Scottish/Welsh team. San Mames can hold about 60,000. The Eggchasers and other media folks will be hosting their own setup there so hoping that helps stir incentive for people to attend even if they aren't going to be at the actual game. Bilbao doesn't seem to be as nice of a vacation spot as Barcelona though so fingers crossed that doesn't mess things up.

So, as long as it sells out that should get some media buzz in the area. Whenever we had the Premiership clubs come over to the US that alone created some buzz and both of those sold about 14,000 and 6000 tickets each. This should bring in anywhere from 60,000 to 80,000 foreigners to a city of about 400,000. That's surely noticeable. Here's hoping that having 2 successfully sold out matches in Spanish stadiums gets the attention of some others.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 14 Jan 2018, 23:46

I know Barcelona has an appeal to international tourists unmatchable by any other city, but trust me, I'd spend a weekend in Bilbao over Barcelona at any given time. My only big concern about Bilbao finals is accommodation, as prices are over the roof and hotels scarce. Apart from that, the stadium is right in the f*** city centre and Basque cuisine and bar culture are awesome, I have no doubts match day experience will be incredible.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 16 Jan 2018, 13:26

Liga Heineken - Week 14 - Results & Standings
Bizkaia Gernika 8 - 14 VRAC Quesos Entrepinares (incredible mudfest)
SilverStorm El Salvador 26 - 23 AMPO Ordizia (Ordizia got extremely close to an upset in Valladolid)
Complutense Cisneros 15 - 29 Sanitas Alcobendas
Senor Independiente 46 - 31 Getxo Artea (all Independiente points were scored by players born in Argentina)
UE Santboiana 27 - 8 La Vila
Hernani 20 - 0 FC Barcelona (Basque team caught by surprise Barça in a muddy terrain)

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Highlights (second try by Getxo is a beauty)


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Sevens team for Sydney and Hamilton includes Iñaki Villanueva back from a few months off due to work commitments and Lucas Levy after an injury. That means Villanueva won't join XV team for REC, but the absence of Javier Carrión (outstanding in Dubai and Cape Town) opens the door to his presence in REC...
http://ferugby.es/noticias2.php?titulo= ... a%20Sydney

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Joma spot keeps attracting media interest, we had last night Carlota Méliz in a popular late night TV show:

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Tue, 16 Jan 2018, 14:37

carbonero wrote: the local league/clubs are barely mentioned in the document.


Not true.


Introducción

Tenemos cifras récord de jugadores y jugadoras practicando rugby en España de manera federada. La creación de nuevos clubs, así como el empuje de los ya existentes, nos impulsan hacia un crecimiento exponencial y suponen una base sólida en la que cimentar el desarrollo de una nueva generación de niños y jóvenes. Apuntalando el esfuerzo de los clubs, tenemos un número record de árbitros, entrenadores y directivos que trabajan tenazmente para ayudar a nuestros jugadores a todos los niveles.

La asistencia de más de 26.000 espectadores a la Final de la Copa del Rey en el estadio de Zorrilla en Valladolid en dos años consecutivos (2016 y 2017) ha significado la constatación de este gran empuje que el rugby está teniendo a todos los niveles en España

Para afrontar estos desafíos debemos mejorar la manera de gestionar y desarrollar el juego a
todos los niveles: Clubs, Federaciones Autonómicas y Federación Española.

Proceso de elaboración

Se comenzó con un cuestionario remitido a todos los clubs de España, a todos los miembros de la Asamblea de la FER (representantes de las diferentes Federaciones Autonómicas, clubs de categoría nacional, representantes de árbitros, entrenadores y jugadores) y a los miembros de la Junta Directiva de la FER.

Posteriormente se constituyó un grupo de trabajo para la elaboración de Plan Estratégico en el que se colaboraron de manera activa representantes de la Junta Directiva de la FER, de las Federaciones Autonómicas, de los Clubs, de los colectivos de árbitros, entrenadores y jugadores.

Nuestra visión

Queremos ver crecer el rugby en España a través de CLUBS DINÁMICOS Y ATRACTIVOS que permitan el AUMENTO DE PRACTICANTES y la MEJORA DEL NIVEL DE JUEGO, apoyados en sus iniciativas por las Federaciones Autonómicas y por la FER.

Análisis

Nuestros clubes cada vez son más grandes y sólidos

Falta de estructura en la mayoría de los clubs:
o- Escasez de instalaciones.
o- Organización interna: estructura deportiva y administrativa.
o- Mala gestión del voluntariado.

Poca presencia del rugby femenino: pocos clubs con equipos femeninos, y pocos equipos
femeninos de Sub 18 para abajo.

Prioridades

Mejorar los clubes como organización esencial para la práctica del rugby

Desarrollo del Juego

Contribuir al desarrollo de clubs más sólidos: sostenibles económicamente, con equipos en varias categorías, con instalaciones adecuadas y con directivos y entrenadores cualificados

Promover junto con los clubs, territoriales, escuela de árbitros y escuela de entrenadores una cultura que priorice los valores del rugby

Desarrollo de Clubs

Elaboración de una Guía para el Desarrollo Integral de los Clubs

Establecimiento de un Sistema de Certificación de Clubs que ayude a los clubs a identificar la calidad del servicio que ofrecen a sus afiliados e identificar áreas de mejora.
o- Establecimiento de un Programa de Voluntariado que reconozca su importancia dentro de los clubs para el desarrollo del juego.
o- Elaboración de un Censo de campos e instalaciones

Estructuras de competición atractivas que se ajustan a las necesidades y expectativas de los diferentes grupos de edad.
Mejora de la calidad de las competiciones.
o- Búsqueda de mayor igualdad entre equipos.
o- Número adecuado de partidos al año.

Desarrollo de Jugadores

Promoción de Campus de Formación de Jugadores en colaboración con las federaciones territoriales y clubs a los que asistan jugadores internacionales.

Organización y Gestión

Mejorar la relación y comunicación de la FER con las Federaciones Autonómicas, provinciales y clubes.

Creación de un Programa de Voluntariado FER que aporte personas cualificadas para cubrir las necesidades que la FER no pueda cubrir con empleados y que puedan apoyar a clubes en eventos y otras actividades, estableciendo perfiles de voluntarios y solicitudes a través de la web.

Marketing y Comunicación

Aumentar la visibilidad del Rugby en España, incrementando la presencia en los medios y especialmente en televisión de nuestras Selecciones Nacionales, Clubs masculinos y femeninos, y campeonatos, torneos y festivales del rugby base.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 16 Jan 2018, 14:47

Well, I have to be with Carbonero in this one. Yeah, they are mentioned but not enough. Where are the references to national leagues? Which specific actions are expected in order to improve their structures?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby NaBUru38 » Wed, 17 Jan 2018, 19:48

The report says that these will be discussed with the stakeholders.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 17 Jan 2018, 23:51

FER seems to have confirmed to Valladolid media that there are two bids for Copa del Rey final: Valladolid (at Zorrilla, like in 2016 & 2017) or Valencia (no details have been revealed):
https://twitter.com/davgar47003/status/ ... 0437663744
http://cadenaser.com/emisora/2018/01/16 ... 40548.html

To me it's pretty clear FER needs to get something done in Valencia, a city with a dozen clubs and a huge growth in registered players without presence in top-tier league (although Les Abelles leads its División de Honor B pool and CAU Valencia has been close to promotion). But Valladolid media are already lobbying for a repeat in Zorrilla. If the final is a Valladolid local derby like in 2016 there is little to discuss (and it could be the healthiest solution right now). But if Barça or Sant Boi upset in the semifinals we could be on the brink of a new chapter in Spanish rugby civil war.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 19 Jan 2018, 17:15

Valencia Rugby Union confirm they are bidding for Copa del Rey final. Their proposal is based on Ciutat de Valencia 26,000 seats stadium and has UD Levante (LaLiga soccer team) support:
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The interview where the president of the union says it: http://golsmedia.com/entrevistapresidentrugbi/

Valladolid will hate the news and I have no doubts it would be stupid to move the final from there if we have a new local derby, but it can only be great news to see two bids in +25k seats stadiums supported by local soccer clubs.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 20 Jan 2018, 11:44

Liga Heineken - Week 15 - Live streaming
Saturday 20 - Getxo Artea v SilverStorm El Salvador - 16:00 CET


Saturday 20 - Complutense Cisneros v SENOR Independiente - 17:15 CET


Sunday 21 - FC Barcelona v Bizkaia Gernika - 11:30 CET


Sunday 21 - AMPO Ordizia v UE Santboiana - 12:00 CET


Sunday 21 - La Vila v Hernani - 12:00 CET


Sunday 21 - VRAC Quesos Entrepinares v Sanitas Alcobendas - 12:30 CET
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 20 Jan 2018, 12:15

Armchair Fan wrote:Valencia Rugby Union confirm they are bidding for Copa del Rey final. Their proposal is based on Ciutat de Valencia 26,000 seats stadium and has UD Levante (LaLiga soccer team) support:
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The interview where the president of the union says it: http://golsmedia.com/entrevistapresidentrugbi/

Valladolid will hate the news and I have no doubts it would be stupid to move the final from there if we have a new local derby, but it can only be great news to see two bids in +25k seats stadiums supported by local soccer clubs.


Nice to see some potential competition for the final.

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