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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Wed, 30 May 2018, 17:34

Look man, don't know why you have such an issue with suggesting that another major sport on the same day could potentially be an issue and something to consider....

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby rey200 » Wed, 30 May 2018, 19:26

yeah.. but still, it's three hours, it doesn't matter.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby sk 88 » Wed, 30 May 2018, 19:53

Tobar wrote:Look man, don't know why you have such an issue with suggesting that another major sport on the same day could potentially be an issue and something to consider....



Because that isn't what you said. You said they should have delayed it a week which is totally stupid. You then continually made basic errors on things like the kick off times and have made no suggestions who this kick off time actually prevented attending or watching on TV.

The day and time was a total non-issue. As has already been said two other major rugby finals were on this day and this was Spain's record attendance for a Liga Heineken match.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 30 May 2018, 22:55

As previously stated, Champions League final may have had an effect (probably more on media coverage than attendance), but it was just one of many causes. It's not worth to focus on that to explain why attendance dropped compared to previous events at Zorrilla. It was set up in 15 days instead of two months, Cup competition in Spain has some allure, we've had too many big rugby events this season, people outside Valladolid is a bit tired of their domination and some of the rhetorics coming from there so didn't bother to make the trip, the mayor probably thought kids taking part in U6-U8-U10-U12 tournament (>3,000) would go with their coaches and families but the reality is they were too tired, etc, etc...

The easy thing is to throw s*** from one side to the other, but for once I won't criticise Valladolid clubs. Not for this. Not for having the balls to move a final from their usual pitch to another venue that could actually hold 10,000 people. Come on, 10,000 butts on seats for a Tier 2/3 national club final just days after the national team got expelled from World Cup. We should be more upbeat than we are.

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UBU-Colina Clinic, the newly-promoted team from Burgos, is looking really good for next season. They expect to gather a budget over 450,000€ (Valladolid teams have 800,000€ with more than double its size) and are making early clever hirings. They already announced they signed internationally capped hooker Dani Marrón from El Salvador and Spain U20 third-rower Diego Carvajales from Liceo Francés after trying out some weeks ago two Spain U18 guys from L'Hospitalet.

If they manage to maintain their core of foreign-born pro players (Emiliano Calle just resigned) they could be extremely competitive. To me a big flaw in current semi-pro standards in Spain is that some teams (for example Independiente) just don't manage to have enough local players up to the level, making it pointless to hire a n-th foreigner when you are supposed to field at any time of any game at least 6 players eligible for Spain.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Sat, 02 Jun 2018, 04:33

Hey I’m not complaining at all. I only suggested that they should be mindful of other events which is different than suggesting they should have moved the date. 10,000 is a fantastic amount of people attending a club final - it’s more than our national team had many’s times over! I wish we could have a club final in a stadium like that.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 08 Jun 2018, 09:34

Yesterday Alfonso Feijóo was interviewed in Play Rugby SER podcast and said a few interesting things:
- He totally rejects the idea FER has done anything wrong regarding eligibility :roll:
- He will allow General Assembly to vote on his permanence as FER president next July 7
- Clubs have been offered a new league format for next season to allow VRAC to take part in Continental Shield. They will have to decide in a fortnight
- FER is willing to negotiate with the new clubs association, but his first step has been to tell everybody that so far clubs would have to pay FER since they fund TV coverage (300,000€ per season)

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby rey200 » Fri, 08 Jun 2018, 09:41

Well, now we know how the spanish insiders thought Spain would be acquitted from any misdoings. Where did they go btw? Feijoo seems to be this incredibly self-righteous type. Is he active on twitter?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 08 Jun 2018, 09:44

Spanish insiders usually hate Feijóo. He wasn't the one feeding them hope.

Feijóo isn't active on Twitter but seems to be informed on what is said there or El Salvador forum. In the same interview it looked like he was answering directly to a user from that forum regarding Sevens...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 08 Jun 2018, 12:33

Revista Veintidós has revealed further details on FER proposal for next season.

First format:
- Round robin of 11 weeks with 6 home games and 5 away games or viceversa
- Second phase of 10 weeks, two pools with Top 6 and Bottom 6
- Playoffs. If quarterfinals are ditched, two weeks would be spared

Second format:
- Round robin of 11 weeks
- Second phase of 5 weeks, two pools again but with 3 home games and 2 away games or viceversa
- Playoffs from quarterfinals. Up to six weeks would be spared

Unfortunately none of them is convincing clubs.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Blurandski » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 22:50

Valencia seems to be ramping up rugby activities: http://www.lasprovincias.es/deportes/ma ... -ntvo.html

They're hosting a four nations Women's XVs tournament in November, Hong Kong, Spain, Italy. World Rugby is funding it. They want to host it in the same stadium as the Copa Del Rey final, and tickets will be distributed to local schools. Valencia aims to have teams in both the male and female top tiers in future.

Full text in English: Spain, Hong Kong, Japan and Italy will play the tournament and the organization will promote sports promotion activities in schools The Ciutat is shaping up to host a Four Nations Women in November

MOISÉS RODRÍGUEZ VALENCIA.
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The Copa del Rey between VRAC and El Salvador has not fallen on deaf ears. Valencia has penetrated the universe of the oval ball, and not just nationally. That match played in Orriols was the first stone of a strategy for the city to have a team in the Division of Honor in the future. The next notorious step was going to be one of the friendlies that the men's team had to play in preparation for the World Cup in Japan. Once Spain is excluded from that championship, the script has been modified slightly. For the planned dates - halfway through November - another combo will come: the feminine one.

The World Rugby wants to bring to Valencia a Four Nations Women to be played in the window of November, that is, in the middle of the penultimate month of the year. Participate Spain, Hong Kong, Japan and Italy, with format of two semifinals, the party for the third place and the final. There would be a first day on Tuesday and a second on the weekend. The world federation has entrusted the event in the organization of the final of the Copa del Rey, which wants to take it back to the Ciutat de València. To do this, you must negotiate with the Levante the availability to rent the stadium once the League calendar is known.

While the conversations with the World Rugby are intensifying to make clear with what expenses each party runs - most of them are paid for by the world federation - the organization designs its strategy to promote the oval ball sport. As activities parallel to the Cuatro Naciones Femenino, activities will be offered in September to educate rugby players.

As a culmination, tickets will be distributed among the schools to attend the games of the week, that is, the two semifinals. Spain will face Hong Kong, while Japan and Italy will play the other place in the final, which would take place on Saturday. Sources of the organization label the event as a new occasion to place Valencia on the world map of rugby and to promote equality as it is a women's championship.

In that sense, the project for the city to have a rugby team in the elite is no longer limited to the masculine side. The idea does lead to Valencia being present in the medium term in the Heineken League, but also in the Iberdrola League, that is, the Women's Division of Honor.

Currently, the clubs in and around Valencia already work the base and underline the growing interest in rugby. This project aims to raise the stakes and spread the oval ball sport in schools in a continuous manner. Once that was achieved, the next step would be to opt for technification as a step prior to the generation of these elite teams in the city.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 22:54

Yes, I put it on the Women's Rugby subforum. Let's see if it finally comes to fruition, since our women's XV program desperately needs regular test matches against good sides. The fact a developmental side beaten 97-0 by France in November easily clinched last Rugby Europe Championship last March says everything about how wide the gap is between the teams who played last WRWC plus Scotland, Fiji or South Africa and the rest.

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