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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Wed, 30 May 2018, 17:34

Look man, don't know why you have such an issue with suggesting that another major sport on the same day could potentially be an issue and something to consider....

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby rey200 » Wed, 30 May 2018, 19:26

yeah.. but still, it's three hours, it doesn't matter.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby sk 88 » Wed, 30 May 2018, 19:53

Tobar wrote:Look man, don't know why you have such an issue with suggesting that another major sport on the same day could potentially be an issue and something to consider....



Because that isn't what you said. You said they should have delayed it a week which is totally stupid. You then continually made basic errors on things like the kick off times and have made no suggestions who this kick off time actually prevented attending or watching on TV.

The day and time was a total non-issue. As has already been said two other major rugby finals were on this day and this was Spain's record attendance for a Liga Heineken match.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 30 May 2018, 22:55

As previously stated, Champions League final may have had an effect (probably more on media coverage than attendance), but it was just one of many causes. It's not worth to focus on that to explain why attendance dropped compared to previous events at Zorrilla. It was set up in 15 days instead of two months, Cup competition in Spain has some allure, we've had too many big rugby events this season, people outside Valladolid is a bit tired of their domination and some of the rhetorics coming from there so didn't bother to make the trip, the mayor probably thought kids taking part in U6-U8-U10-U12 tournament (>3,000) would go with their coaches and families but the reality is they were too tired, etc, etc...

The easy thing is to throw s*** from one side to the other, but for once I won't criticise Valladolid clubs. Not for this. Not for having the balls to move a final from their usual pitch to another venue that could actually hold 10,000 people. Come on, 10,000 butts on seats for a Tier 2/3 national club final just days after the national team got expelled from World Cup. We should be more upbeat than we are.

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UBU-Colina Clinic, the newly-promoted team from Burgos, is looking really good for next season. They expect to gather a budget over 450,000€ (Valladolid teams have 800,000€ with more than double its size) and are making early clever hirings. They already announced they signed internationally capped hooker Dani Marrón from El Salvador and Spain U20 third-rower Diego Carvajales from Liceo Francés after trying out some weeks ago two Spain U18 guys from L'Hospitalet.

If they manage to maintain their core of foreign-born pro players (Emiliano Calle just resigned) they could be extremely competitive. To me a big flaw in current semi-pro standards in Spain is that some teams (for example Independiente) just don't manage to have enough local players up to the level, making it pointless to hire a n-th foreigner when you are supposed to field at any time of any game at least 6 players eligible for Spain.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Sat, 02 Jun 2018, 04:33

Hey I’m not complaining at all. I only suggested that they should be mindful of other events which is different than suggesting they should have moved the date. 10,000 is a fantastic amount of people attending a club final - it’s more than our national team had many’s times over! I wish we could have a club final in a stadium like that.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 08 Jun 2018, 09:34

Yesterday Alfonso Feijóo was interviewed in Play Rugby SER podcast and said a few interesting things:
- He totally rejects the idea FER has done anything wrong regarding eligibility :roll:
- He will allow General Assembly to vote on his permanence as FER president next July 7
- Clubs have been offered a new league format for next season to allow VRAC to take part in Continental Shield. They will have to decide in a fortnight
- FER is willing to negotiate with the new clubs association, but his first step has been to tell everybody that so far clubs would have to pay FER since they fund TV coverage (300,000€ per season)

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby rey200 » Fri, 08 Jun 2018, 09:41

Well, now we know how the spanish insiders thought Spain would be acquitted from any misdoings. Where did they go btw? Feijoo seems to be this incredibly self-righteous type. Is he active on twitter?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 08 Jun 2018, 09:44

Spanish insiders usually hate Feijóo. He wasn't the one feeding them hope.

Feijóo isn't active on Twitter but seems to be informed on what is said there or El Salvador forum. In the same interview it looked like he was answering directly to a user from that forum regarding Sevens...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 08 Jun 2018, 12:33

Revista Veintidós has revealed further details on FER proposal for next season.

First format:
- Round robin of 11 weeks with 6 home games and 5 away games or viceversa
- Second phase of 10 weeks, two pools with Top 6 and Bottom 6
- Playoffs. If quarterfinals are ditched, two weeks would be spared

Second format:
- Round robin of 11 weeks
- Second phase of 5 weeks, two pools again but with 3 home games and 2 away games or viceversa
- Playoffs from quarterfinals. Up to six weeks would be spared

Unfortunately none of them is convincing clubs.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Blurandski » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 22:50

Valencia seems to be ramping up rugby activities: http://www.lasprovincias.es/deportes/ma ... -ntvo.html

They're hosting a four nations Women's XVs tournament in November, Hong Kong, Spain, Italy. World Rugby is funding it. They want to host it in the same stadium as the Copa Del Rey final, and tickets will be distributed to local schools. Valencia aims to have teams in both the male and female top tiers in future.

Full text in English: Spain, Hong Kong, Japan and Italy will play the tournament and the organization will promote sports promotion activities in schools The Ciutat is shaping up to host a Four Nations Women in November

MOISÉS RODRÍGUEZ VALENCIA.
Friday, June 15, 2018, 00:51
The Copa del Rey between VRAC and El Salvador has not fallen on deaf ears. Valencia has penetrated the universe of the oval ball, and not just nationally. That match played in Orriols was the first stone of a strategy for the city to have a team in the Division of Honor in the future. The next notorious step was going to be one of the friendlies that the men's team had to play in preparation for the World Cup in Japan. Once Spain is excluded from that championship, the script has been modified slightly. For the planned dates - halfway through November - another combo will come: the feminine one.

The World Rugby wants to bring to Valencia a Four Nations Women to be played in the window of November, that is, in the middle of the penultimate month of the year. Participate Spain, Hong Kong, Japan and Italy, with format of two semifinals, the party for the third place and the final. There would be a first day on Tuesday and a second on the weekend. The world federation has entrusted the event in the organization of the final of the Copa del Rey, which wants to take it back to the Ciutat de València. To do this, you must negotiate with the Levante the availability to rent the stadium once the League calendar is known.

While the conversations with the World Rugby are intensifying to make clear with what expenses each party runs - most of them are paid for by the world federation - the organization designs its strategy to promote the oval ball sport. As activities parallel to the Cuatro Naciones Femenino, activities will be offered in September to educate rugby players.

As a culmination, tickets will be distributed among the schools to attend the games of the week, that is, the two semifinals. Spain will face Hong Kong, while Japan and Italy will play the other place in the final, which would take place on Saturday. Sources of the organization label the event as a new occasion to place Valencia on the world map of rugby and to promote equality as it is a women's championship.

In that sense, the project for the city to have a rugby team in the elite is no longer limited to the masculine side. The idea does lead to Valencia being present in the medium term in the Heineken League, but also in the Iberdrola League, that is, the Women's Division of Honor.

Currently, the clubs in and around Valencia already work the base and underline the growing interest in rugby. This project aims to raise the stakes and spread the oval ball sport in schools in a continuous manner. Once that was achieved, the next step would be to opt for technification as a step prior to the generation of these elite teams in the city.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 15 Jun 2018, 22:54

Yes, I put it on the Women's Rugby subforum. Let's see if it finally comes to fruition, since our women's XV program desperately needs regular test matches against good sides. The fact a developmental side beaten 97-0 by France in November easily clinched last Rugby Europe Championship last March says everything about how wide the gap is between the teams who played last WRWC plus Scotland, Fiji or South Africa and the rest.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 12:58

We've got a draft calendar for next season:
https://www.revista22.es/2018/06/asi-se ... 2018-2019/

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 29 Jun 2018, 10:30

Rouet brothers have seen their bans reduced from 43 and 36 weeks to 32, while all bans will be counted since last April and not from next season as Rugby Europe intended:
http://www.ferugby.es/noticias2.php?tit ... ancionados

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 01 Jul 2018, 09:13

13 founding clubs of the new Spanish club association met this Friday. It will be called Asociación Liga Nacional Rugby and already has a Twitter account, even though it looks very bad:
https://twitter.com/liga_nac_rugby

Chairmen were named and three working groups were formed (for Judicial, Sporting and Economic matters). It will be led by Macario Fernández-Alonso (Independiente), with Valladolid clubs for now just in the background.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Thomas » Sun, 01 Jul 2018, 09:45

Will this be in effect top table in terms of Spanish Rugby? Also under FER umbrella?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 01 Jul 2018, 09:53

They have to discuss it with FER, but their unveiled intention has always been to promote the top tier league from 2019-2020 season.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 01 Jul 2018, 15:10

Is this the new league that will become pro and overtake Liga Heineken?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Sun, 01 Jul 2018, 15:10

Is this the new league that will become semi-pro and overtake Liga Heineken?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Osmanperalta » Sun, 01 Jul 2018, 15:41

Tobar wrote:Is this the new league that will become semi-pro and overtake Liga Heineken?

Yes, that's the idea

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sun, 01 Jul 2018, 23:23

Tobar wrote:Is this the new league that will become semi-pro and overtake Liga Heineken?


From everything AF has said about the budgets of these clubs I've always thought of them as essentially semi-pro already.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Mon, 02 Jul 2018, 00:02

Yeah this seems to be semi-pro but I think the idea is more along the lines of MLR rather than what's going on here. This seems to be more amateur with sprinkles of talent from overseas, funded by wealthier owners/financiers. I think the plan is to make a more professional atmosphere overall.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Blurandski » Mon, 02 Jul 2018, 00:05

It looks at lot like the PRL/LNR breakaways in that I’d be shocked if P&R was abolished, and it is effectively to enable the clubs to take charge of their own promotion.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Mon, 02 Jul 2018, 00:45

Blurandski wrote:It looks at lot like the PRL/LNR breakaways in that I’d be shocked if P&R was abolished, and it is effectively to enable the clubs to take charge of their own promotion.


AF has already said that they are going to keep P&R in place.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Mon, 02 Jul 2018, 00:47

Tobar wrote:Yeah this seems to be semi-pro but I think the idea is more along the lines of MLR rather than what's going on here. This seems to be more amateur with sprinkles of talent from overseas, funded by wealthier owners/financiers. I think the plan is to make a more professional atmosphere overall.


It will be interesting to see how it comes together. Which route they take to professionalism. Do they first invest in providing professional training environments and then look at player payment or do they look to set a salary cap for each club to adhere to that's sustainable and go from there. Hopefully AF will be able to provide answers in time.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 02 Jul 2018, 10:23

Since I'm often too repetitive I'll just translate this interview to ALNR president from As:
- Once the LNR has been formed, with statutes and organisation chart, which are the main goals in the short and long run?
- LNR is looking to promote national league competition from 2019-2020 season onwards. To do so we believe we must follow a protocol. Now we need to register in front of CSD (Spanish Sports Council) so we get some powers recognised. Then we will have to sign an agreement with the union and we expect to end up managing sponsorship and media relationships so to reach a professional league in a short amount of time.

- This includes, like in football, División de Honor B (second-tier league)?
- So far it doesn't look appropriate. We would be too many. We aren't against it but believe it's not the right time yet.

- How is going to be LNR structure?
- There is a managing board formed by a president, a secretary, a treasurer and two directors. Besides that, there will be at least three commissions. A judicial one, an economic one and a sporting one, which will be tasked to keep going towards reaching our goals little by little.

- What's the roadmap to professionalise the competition?
- We will be negotiating as interest is raised and sponsors come onboard. Our offer and product are pretty clear. So following the demand we will be managing the relationship with media and potential sponsors so to have an idea more or less set on how will the competition be from 2019 onwards by the last three months of this year.

- Is there any change to be expected for this season?
- Currently it's up to FER. We've worked with them on the schedule and there is an initial agreement so it can adapt to national team needs. This year we aren't going to intervene in format changes for the league.

- What do you expect from the relationship with FER?
- It's gonna be good. It must be good. We don't want to become a friction front against them nor create unwanted issues. Our rationale is collaboration. I hope they are open-minded as well in all the collective work we've got ahead of us. I don't sense there will be any problem.

- President will put his post at the diposal of the next Assembly just as he promised if Spain was barred from World Cup. What will be LNR's attitude?
- We have not taken any decision with that regard. I believe we are four División de Honor clubs in the assembly and each one of them will take its own decision. We aren't born to be a leverage for FER decision nor have an aligned vote. There is no predisposition against it or in favour of it, nor have we talked about holding an aligned position on the matter.

- How will the power ration be? Each member will hold a single vote or some will have more weight?
- Principle is one member, one vote. At the assembly all decisions were taken unanimously and there won't be different weights in decision making process.

- The way FER had dealt with TV was controversial. What's LNR plan?
- This year everything must stay right as FER negotiated it. If we can help them, great, and for 2019-2020 we want to be leading the way and taking decision. Then, depending on contracts, we will intervene.

- Are you sure about what do you want?
- Yes, we are sure. What we don't know is which is the starting point for negotiation with media. Let's see.

- Is this model also valid for women's rugby?
- I'd think so. It can be a model for them and I hope they do.

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