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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 21 Feb 2017, 12:36

Yeah, I agree. And the use of that original drawing has burst a discussion from Catalan pro-independence movements because back in the 1930s, when Catalonia was a FIRA member, they used the very same drawing for a game against Italy... The "insult" was even retweeted by Catalan president. Not exactly what Spanish rugby needs right now.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Canalina » Tue, 21 Feb 2017, 13:11

The catalan president should learn that their poster too was a copy

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Hinato » Tue, 21 Feb 2017, 13:45

Seriez-vous pour l'intégration d'une franchise espagnole professionnelle dans le championnat français de rugby (Pro D2, fédérale 1 élite)?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 21 Feb 2017, 14:07

Bien sûr, mais c'est peu réaliste.

Of course, but it isn't too realistic. FER has no money, Switzerland was made to start from the bottom and we can't afford to lose ten years pursuing Pro D2, and Spanish clubs are working towards a private Iberian League.

The closest and most interesting project would be to make the most of the agreement FER has with Jaca, in Spanish Pyrenees. Normally U20 squad trains there and plays some games against French clubs. It wouldn't be crazy to make some sort of Spanish U20 franchise to play in French age grade system.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 21 Feb 2017, 22:17

Two good news in an otherwise s*** week for Spanish rugby:
- Mario Barandiaran, part of Argentina staff in 2007 RWC, returns to URBA after his six months spell in VRAC Quesos Entrepinares. But he's revealed to COPE Valladolid that he has an offer to work three more years in Valladolid and he's studying seriously. I remember in case you didn't read the news back in september that he was hired not to coach but to help VRAC coaches and analyse academy's structure.
- FER has uploaded Eurosport* coverage of Complutense Cisneros v UE Santboiana:


* In fact it's not even Eurosport coverage: FER spends 100,000€ so a private TV company produces the feed and hands it to Eurosport 2 Spain...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby ihateblazers » Tue, 21 Feb 2017, 23:41

Armchair Fan wrote:Bien sûr, mais c'est peu réaliste.

Of course, but it isn't too realistic. FER has no money, Switzerland was made to start from the bottom and we can't afford to lose ten years pursuing Pro D2, and Spanish clubs are working towards a private Iberian League.

The closest and most interesting project would be to make the most of the agreement FER has with Jaca, in Spanish Pyrenees. Normally U20 squad trains there and plays some games against French clubs. It wouldn't be crazy to make some sort of Spanish U20 franchise to play in French age grade system.


Could put them in the Espoirs? It has a tiered structure as well. Surprised that Italy hasn't made some enquiries regarding that. People always talk about how the Italians should merge their senior professional clubs with the French system but the chances of that are so remote it's not even worth wasting your breath. Joining the junior system is seriously worth investigating though.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 22 Feb 2017, 00:14

To me, that would be the most interesting alternative for sure. Espoirs category goes until 22 if I'm not mistaken. That means keeping the link with top level rugby until guys finish their studies. If they are good enough, they will be spotted by French clubs and have a good platform to pursue a professional career. If they aren't or prefer to focus on their jobs, at least they would return to Spanish club system with valuable experience. But we're really into a hypotetical scenario...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby ihateblazers » Wed, 22 Feb 2017, 00:19

I think Eddie Jones recently said in an interview about USA rugby and tier 2 in general that they need to focus most of their efforts on the under 20s and forget about the older amateur club players.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 22 Feb 2017, 16:47

FER has uploaded final 2016 and latest 2017 budgets:
- They spent 4M€ in 2016 but the union will suffer a 20% cut this season (3,2M€).
- Olympic funding from men's 7s was lost (280,000€) and LaLiga support (200,000€) is probably pending on a renewal.
- It seems a stage for men's 7s in South Africa this month, like Germany, had to be cancelled and three small training camps in Spain and Portugal were organised.
- Ticketing revenues keep rising: 25,000€ in 2014, 50,000€ in 2015 and 110,000€ in 2016 (only Spain v Tonga already made 55,000€).
- Debt was reduced by 600,000€ in 2016 and it seems only 500,000€ are still to be repaid from the near 2M€ debt from 2013.

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División de Honor Week 16 highlights


Great to see so many Spanish youngsters featuring in the clip. The #22 running in the first try is Alvar Gimeno and there are also tries by Juan Ramos and Tomás Munilla.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 07:52

Armchair Fan wrote:- Olympic funding from men's 7s was lost (280,000€) and LaLiga support (200,000€) is probably pending on a renewal.


Why? Sounds really strange after a double Olympic qualification of both men and women...
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 09:18

To qualify for full Olympic funding you need to finish among Top 8. Many people not keen on rugby recognised the feat of qualifying both 7s teams to the Olympics as an amazing achievement for a country like Spain, but these rules apply equally for all sports.

Only good results in European GPS, World Cup or World Series could make that funding go back to men's 7s.

But it isn't all bad news. Women obtained Iberdrola support: 50,000€ yearly sponsorship, plus 135,000€ spent on formative work. The problem is this year of XV Women's RWC has affected Women's SWS preparation and our Leonas are on the verge of relegation... But there is a plan on place. Yunque has been upgraded from XV & 7s women's coach to women's rugby development responsible and he's open talking about an Olympic medal in 2024 as the target.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 12:29

Sounds strict, but legit. I always have to laugh, when I read Iperdrola, has it sounds like "uberfunny" in German. (Drollig = engl. droll = funny). So this is the government support for the tied 5th place of Las Leonas?

Edit: finally googled Iperdrola. Would have never guessed it to be an electric utility company. So what happened to the government support for the women?
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 13:37

Women kept 280,000€ yearly Olympic funding thanks to their results in Rio. Iberdrola came onboard a few months later and became women's national teams sponsor, as well as women's league title sponsor. In total, 500,000€ will be invested in women's rugby this year.

And yeah, I understand the joke. In French "drôle" has a very similar meaning :P

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 24 Feb 2017, 18:19

Spanish squad to face Georgia

Fernando López (Ordizia, DH)
Unai Lasa (Ordizia, DH)
Francisco Blanco (Cisneros, DH)
Steve Barnes (VRAC, DH)
Alberto Blanco (VRAC, DH)
Jon Zabala (Bayonne, Espoirs)
Víctor Sánchez (El Salvador, DH)
Iñaki Villanueva (Alcobendas, DH)
Matt Foulds (El Salvador, DH)
Javier Canosa (CRC, DHB)
Pierre Barthere (Montauban, ProD2)
Gautier Giboin (Montauban, ProD2)
Kalo Kalo Gavidi (VRAC, DH)
Sébastien Rouet (Narbonne, ProD2)
Juan Ramos (El Salvador, DH)
Mathieu Bélie (USAP, ProD2)
Dan Snee (Hawkes Bay, Mitre10)
Alvar Gimeno (Cisneros, DH)
Thibaut Álvarez (Aubenas, Féd1 Élite)
Federico Castiglioni (VRAC, DH)
Jordi Jorba (USAP, Espoirs)
Brad Linklater (Alcobendas, DH)

Training only
Javier de Juan (Independiente, DH)
Jaime Mata (El Salvador, DH)
Guille Mateu (VRAC, DH)
Gareth Griffiths (VRAC, DH)
Jaime Nava (Dijon, Féd 1)

Jon Zabala will earn his first cap. He was called for 2015 Nations Cup but finally couldn't go. Now he will join other U20 WRT graduates like Jorba and Gimeno. Great news.

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Spain U20 played this week a 40-minutes game against Oloron (Fédérale 1) as part of their training for European Championship. They won 10-5.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Scorpion » Sat, 25 Feb 2017, 10:52

Armchair Fan wrote:Spanish squad

Looks like almost no Big Guns selected

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 27 Feb 2017, 18:45

División de Honor Week 17
SilverStorm El Salvador 47 - 31 Complutense Cisneros
Getxo Artea 24 - 45 VRAC Quesos Entrepinares
Sanitas Alcobendas 82 - 0 Ciencias Fundación Cajasol (O_O)
UE Santboiana 33 - 20 Bizkaia Gernika
Senor Independiente 23 - 14 FC Barcelona
Ampo Ordizia 19 - 3 Hernani

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On Spain v Georgia game:
- Gauthier Minguillon (Langon, Féd1) will be the 23rd man in Spanish squad
- The game will be broadcast live by Eurosport 2 after Spanish public broadcaster let us down twice in the first two games
- The stadium will finally have around 6,700 seats. Around 4,000 tickets have been sold. But there are some concerns about how the promotion will be. Medina del Campo is a small town (20,000 inhabitants) where rugby wasn't even played two years ago, Valladolid has shown discomfort after they weren't given the game and El Salvador will be playing a postponed game the very same day

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 02 Mar 2017, 12:24

Rugby Europe has published on its website our starting XV against Georgia:
1. Fernando López (Ordizia, DH)
2. Unai Lasa (Ordizia, DH)
3. Alberto Blanco (VRAC, DH)
4. Kalo Kalo Gavidi (VRAC, DH)
5. Víctor Sánchez (El Salvador, DH)
6. Iñaki Villanueva (Alcobendas, DH)
7. Javier Canosa (CRC, DHB)
8. Gautier Gibouin (Montauban, ProD2)
9. Sébastien Rouet (Narbonne, ProD2)
10. Mathieu Bélie (USAP, ProD2)
11. Jordi Jorba (USAP, Espoirs)
12. Thibaut Álvarez (Aubenas, Féd1 Élite)
13. Dan Snee (Hawkes Bay, Mitre10)
14. Feder Castiglioni (VRAC, DH)
15. Brad Linklater (Alcobendas, DH)

16. Francisco Blanco (Cisneros, DH)
17. Steve Barnes (VRAC, DH)
18. Jon Zabala (Bayonne, Espoirs)
19. Javier de Juan (Independiente, DH)
20. Matt Foulds (El Salvador, DH)
21. Juan Ramos (El Salvador, DH)
22. Álvar Gimeno (Cisneros, DH)
23. Gauthier Minguillon (Langon, Féd1)

Canosa's return (34 years old, 50 caps) to the national team after a brief retirement from rugby, while playing in Spanish second tier, and switching from centre to flanker has raised a lot of eyebrows among Spanish fans...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby carbonero » Fri, 03 Mar 2017, 22:54

carbonero wrote: Iñaki Mateu and Lucas Paulos are indeed part of the Pumitas squad that starts pre-season today in Rosario/Córdoba. The training camp goes through the 22th of February, featuring games against Duendes, Tala, Los Tarcos and Córdoba Athletic.

However, there will be some cuts before flying to NZ in March (with matches against Blues, Chiefs and Hurricanes). It’s a pretty big squad that doesn’t include Kremer (Jags), Delguy (AXV), Molina (AXV), González (7s) and Osadczuk (7s). So there is still a chance that both players could eventually suit up for Spain in the U20 European Championship.

Lucas Paulos is on the Pumitas tour side. Apparently he left Stade Montois, because he is listed with Olivos of U.R.B.A. He was chosen before some graduates of the last U20 World Cup, so he must have been really impressive in training camp. Iñaki Mateu didn’t make the cut so he could still potentially suit up for Spain in late March.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 04 Mar 2017, 00:04

Thanks a lot for the info!

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 06 Mar 2017, 16:25

Sevens team is going to meet again this week for a training tournament at La Vila against Irish and English teams. This is the squad:
Arturo Íñiguez (Alcobendas, DH)
Mauricio Londoño (Alcobendas, DH)
Perico Martín (Alcobendas, DH)
Jacobo Martín (Alcobendas, DH)
Gorka Gorrotxategui (Cisneros, DH)
Paco Hernández (Cisneros, DH)
Manuel Sáinz-Trápaga (Cisneros, DH)
Francisco Soriano (Cisneros, DH)
Rafa de Santiago (CRC, DHB)
Pol Pla (FC Barcelona, DH)
Álvaro Abril (VRAC, DH)
Tom Pearce (El Salvador, DH)
Igor Genua (Hernani, DH)
Pablo Fontes (Castanet, Fédérale 1)
Pau Gimeno (Bourg-en-Bresse, Espoirs)

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In a postponed División de Honor game, Getxo made the most out of missing players due to REC duty to beat the leader, El Salvador (39-24). This result could be key in the relegation battle.
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Santboiana is trying to launch a late bid to host Copa del Rey final in Logroño's Las Gaunas stadium (16,000 seats). Good because it is a proper neutral venue, but they haven't had enough time to make a complete proposal like the one Valladolid is presenting to the FER. Valladolid clubs and mayor met FER president a few days ago and agreed on all terms but one: Heineken sponsors FER but Zorrilla has Mahou (another beer brand) banners.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 12:39

It's now official, we've got three bids for Copa del Rey final:
- Zorrilla (26,500) in Valladolid, supported by VRAC, El Salvador and Valladolid town hall.
- Las Gaunas (16,000), in Logroño, supported by Santboiana but Logroño town hall says they can't finance it.
- El Malecón (6,000), in Torrelavega, supported by Independiente and which hosted Spain-Chile in 2015.

FER has promised to try to make a decision this week. But I fear whatever they chose it's going to be protested. If we go to Zorrilla, Santboiana will cry because it isn't a neutral venue although it is the place where a bigger crowd can be reunited. If we go to Las Gaunas, Valladolid fans may boycott, clubs will feel FER is neglecting them and Santboiana will face all the financial risk. And if we go El Malecón, it will be a massive underachievement after 2016 success.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 16:04

What a mess! The best way to solve the issue in future would be to allow the number 1 seed to pick the location of the final. This year I would suggest Valladolid did enough last year to merit hosting it again.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 16:29

The problem is league final already works that way. And El Salvador as number 1 seed and Spanish entrant in Challenge Cup Qualifying Competition had a bye in quarterfinals. It would be too much of an advantage to automatically hand them the promotion of the final.

To me Zorrilla, is the best possible stadium and it would stop the row between Valladolid and FER. But Santboiana has a point.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 19:06

If the rules are known in advance then I don't see the issue. Santboiana would presumably get the same advantages if they had come first in the league? Plus El Salvador will have found the season more difficult because they had games in the ECC Qualifiers too, including a trip to Russia.

But I am woefully ignorant of the Spanish league. Is the bye at the quarter final given to El Salvador because they played in Europe or is it given to automatically to the top one or two teams in the league?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 19:10

It is given to the team playing at European stage. Think El Salvador not only had those four Qualifying Competition fixtures but also Copa Ibérica. Plus Spanish Supercup. And the season can't start before early september nor finish after May per contract issues. That's why there is pressure to reduce the league from 12 to 10 or even 8 teams. If Qualifying Competition is expanded to a 10 team league as rumoured it will be unsustainable.

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