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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby sk 88 » Mon, 28 Dec 2015, 20:05

Cheers! Saw it linked on another forum ans though it sounded too good to be true.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby tryman » Mon, 28 Dec 2015, 21:11

So what's this a new cross boarder league or is it just a joke? Would love for rugby to probably take off there.

Our good Spanish poster will know!

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 28 Dec 2015, 23:26

Isn't there already some Iberian Cup competition with Spanish and Portuguese teams?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby sk 88 » Tue, 29 Dec 2015, 12:02

Confirmed as a joke now, never mind.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby olivier » Wed, 30 Dec 2015, 09:04

sk 88 wrote:https://rugbyalcala.wordpress.com/2015/12/28/canal-plus-vuelve-a-la-carga-con-la-liga-de-franquicias/

Anybody know anything about this?

New Franchise league? Cross border comp? Just a sexing up of current league?

Spanish April's fool... This article demonstrate how the Spanish society is far from a pro league. Sad to see joke about this.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 30 Dec 2015, 11:29

Come on, on December 28th there are jokes on pretty much every topic. How does a joke about rugby in a day just like your Poisson d'Avril demonstrate anything on our society?
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If you can read in Spanish, MARCA published a two chapter interview with Régis Sonnes. The first one is about his POV on Top 14 and the second about what does he think about Spanish rugby:
http://www.marca.com/rugby/2015/12/26/5 ... b4680.html
http://www.marca.com/rugby/2015/12/28/5 ... b45b1.html

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 26 Jan 2016, 12:05

This is the squad expected to make the trip to Sochi for the game against Russia:
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As you can see, there are less foreign born players than in the team that played Chile back in November.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 29 Jan 2016, 00:30

A curiosity: FER held a press conference this week as a preview of ERC and there they disclosed that, as part of a full plan from Spanish football league to support other sports, La Liga has become its main partner, 200.000€ per year. Heineken is also back as a sponsor.

In the same press conference the president, Alfonso Feijóo, also explained he fears the pitch will be awful for the match against Romania, after a late change of grass. In fact he already assumes it will be something to be ashamed of... Finally it seems they are talking to World Rugby in case it could be possible to use artificial grass in the future.

Source: http://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/ ... r_1142999/

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 29 Jan 2016, 01:29

I don't know if google translate is doing a good job on this. Can you provide a bit more info for us non-spanish speakers?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Fri, 29 Jan 2016, 05:21

thatrugbyguy wrote:I don't know if google translate is doing a good job on this. Can you provide a bit more info for us non-spanish speakers?


The automated translation services are rubbish. I wish I had listened more to Mr Rodriguez back at school in Spanish class. Would make understanding it a whole deal easier. But I've long forgotten the little I did retain.

Anyway, I think we should take it as a good thing the likee of La Liga are getting on board in some capacity. May lead to further commercial opportunitiee in the future which will help Spanish Rugby grow further. From the little I did understand it seems to all be geared toward the national team qualifying for Japan 2019.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 29 Jan 2016, 10:34

Ok, I will translate the full article, but I think I already told you the main news :lol:

Spoiler:
Spanish rugby scores a goal assisted by football
Spain begins a transition season where it will try to grow both on the pitch and outside to be in the best possible conditions in order to qualify for Japan 2019.

"Thanks for coming. Make the most of this breakfast... it is not that usual to be able to offer it to you". Thursday morning - and in a joking mode - that was the way for federation's president, Alfonso Feijóo, to close a press conference prior to Six Nations B tournament that begins for Spain next February 6 in Russia. The joke about coffee and croissants highlighted the delicate economic situation FER still copes with and that had been explained moments ago. Spain wills to climb the ladder in the world of oval, but is still getting rid of all the stones it was carrying in its bag (debts).

The talk began with the speaking abilities of Jean Michel (Aguirre), charged with the mission of convincing French clubs to release their players for the national squad, and ended with all the juggling that is being made to settle up an inherited economic debt and keep on going with an annual budget of 3 M€. The latest boost comes from rugby's original cousin - football -, that has become a sponsor contributing 200.000€ for 2016.

Bring us a Heineken. If it's double, better, thanks.

LaLiga's goal or Heineken beers he uses to celebrate, are two gigantic joys that add to those of existing partners, which provide a certain grade of stability in FER's fluctuating economic life. Still walking on thin ice, any small change in the budget implies a huge rework of the plan. There is no space for reserves 'in case of'. "If we invest money for X, we are taking it away from Y". It is as sensitive that, for example, "if the predicted use of Residencia Blume (Madrid main residence for sports professionals) fails for one pre-game meeting it would affect other investments". A practical case proving the whole theory.

Clubs from large tradition countries such as England or Wales have released their international players during January so they can make small meetings for a few days with their national teams, already preparing VI Nations. In Spain the idea was to follow the example but holding that meeting in France. "We had planned to send five coaches and, like most of the national squad lives in France, we would save money". In the end it could not happen because French second tier league has some matches on Fridays and it would not have been viable. Lace-making manoevres that define Lions' 'modus operandi". "When necessity becomes a virtue", says national coach Santi Santos.

In front of this outlook work is made in order to face 2017 and 2018 in the best way. These are the years when every single Six Nations B match will count towards Japan 2019 qualifying and efforts will be made to try, not only to receive a positive response from French clubs of most of the international players, but also to bring the national team in the best conditions. The aim is to climb the ladder and try to look like a Georgia or a Russia. "Russia has met its players for three weeks now. For us it is nowadays impossible to make a budget for something like that".

Looking for millions in the shape of rugby

They are working on it and the rod has been thrown so to catch a main sponsor - for a value of some 2 M€ - that could at least make Spain be alike its main rivals (Russia and Romania) in order to be in Japan 2019. For example, "with money we could have a permanent B (A, XV) team" that would enable Spain's growth. But today it is only utopia. Think big; live under your means.

Another idea, with money, is to obtain the approval from World Rugby to put artificial grass (the best one) in Central grounds. That way upsets like the one that will take place in the next weeks would disappear: "We are going to be shameful, but there is nothing we can do. In the end, it is all up to Complutense contracts... We depend on them and their deadlines. And for Romania's match our product will look awful". The grass that ws asked to be replanted months ago won't be in optimal conditions and, like president said, will not sell rugby on TV in the most attractive manner. A kick forward for now.


I imagine you did not fully understand the arrival of LaLiga as a sponsor. When they were negociating their last TV contract, Spanish Sports Council (CSD) had to intervene in order to solve a huge battle between parties (TVs and clubs). As a gift for its role, LaLiga agreed to invest 1% of its new TV earnings in other sports. It is both a corporate social responsibility and marketing action for them. On the one hand they shut up those who say Spanish football hide other sports, improve their image after years of debts with Social Security services and tax offices, etc... On the other hand, LaLiga logos must appear in all the events organised by federations benefitted by this agreement and some of their athletes will collaborate in marketing actions. For example, last summer they employed Carolina Marín (badminton world champion) in a South East Asia tour, but they have also called Ander Mirambell (skeleton racer) or Spanish women's hockey team. So if Spanish clubs decide to have their preseasons in Australia, New Zealand or South Africa, our rugby teams could have a little tour in the Southern Hemisfere, even if I heavily doubt it :roll:

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Spanish Sports Council has also informed of a 34.1% increase in its subsidy to FER for 2016. More than 725.000€.
Source: http://www.marca.com/otros-deportes/201 ... b466a.html
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 29 Jan 2016, 14:53

Thanks Armchair, for the explanation. Good for spanish rugby, but what a strange world we are living in, that something like this happens at all ;-)
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 01 Feb 2016, 13:33

Changes confirmed by FER: Javi de Juan (injured during Copa del Rey semifinals) and Facundo Munilla are replaced in the squad for the game against Russia by José Luis del Valle and Federico Castiglioni.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby suofficer » Mon, 01 Feb 2016, 13:45

do you have the clubs they play for?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 01 Feb 2016, 15:51

Cisneros and VRAC.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 05 Feb 2016, 21:55

Awesome news from Valladolid as Cadena Ser reports an agreement has been reached between VRAC Quesos Entrepinares, SilverStorm El Salvador, Real Valladolid football club and city council to hold Copa del Rey final at Nuevo Zorrilla 26,500 seater football stadium.

Now all depends on the kick-off hour attributed to the football match scheduled for that mid-April weekend.

EDIT: a pic of the stadium, it would be huge for the national scene...
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby olivier » Sat, 06 Feb 2016, 18:33

Finally some initiative...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 06 Feb 2016, 22:23

Excellent.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 08 Feb 2016, 10:11

This is the squad to play against Romania. Marco Pinto, Pierre Barthère, Gauthier Gibouin, Chalie Malié and Sébastien Ascarat are in; Xerom Civil, David González, José Luis del Valle, Gareth Griffiths and Federico Castiglioni are out.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Horsehead » Mon, 08 Feb 2016, 10:55

Armchair Fan wrote:Awesome news from Valladolid as Cadena Ser reports an agreement has been reached between VRAC Quesos Entrepinares, SilverStorm El Salvador, Real Valladolid football club and city council to hold Copa del Rey final at Nuevo Zorrilla 26,500 seater football stadium.

Now all depends on the kick-off hour attributed to the football match scheduled for that mid-April weekend.

EDIT: a pic of the stadium, it would be huge for the national scene...
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That is great. What sort of crowds do the finals tend to attract? Would this be likely to sell out?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 08 Feb 2016, 11:30

When it took place in El Sardinero (a similar sized stadium in Santander) it drew 6,000 spectators and 7,500 went to La Balastera (a smaller one in Palencia), so I don't think a sell out is a realistic target. But with the final taking place in the home town of the two teams, I don't think it would be impossible to see a half-packed or three-quarters full stadium.

Hype is already growing on and I'm even considering to go even if I live 700 kilometers away from Valladolid.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 09 Feb 2016, 13:43

Teledeporte made a delayed broadcast of Russia v Spain ENC match yesterday, two days later. 53.000 spectators and 0.5% share.

I quote a previous message regarding TV viewing figures of rugby in Spanish public TV.

Armchair Fan wrote:I have collected TV viewers and share figures from the last two years of rugby coverage in Spanish public sports channel Teledeporte in case you are interested in comparisons. L means Live and D means Delayed:
2015 Supercopa (L) – 0.4% - 49,600 viewers
2015 Copa del Rey (D – Prime Time) – 0.5% - 85,419 viewers
2015 ENC Spain-Germany (L) – 0.6% - 85,961 viewers
2015 ENC Spain-Georgia (L) – 0.5% - 68,405 viewers
2014 Supercopa (D – Access Prime Time) – 0.3% - 45,332 viewers
2014 Copa del Rey (D – Late Afternoon) – 0.6% - 72,000 viewers
2014 ENC – Spain-Georgia (L) – 0.4% - 44,000 viewers
2014 ENC – Spain-Russia (L) – 0.3% - 31,000 viewers
2013 Test Match – Spain-Japan (L) – 0.4% - 47,000 viewers
2013 Copa del Rey (L) – 0.3% - 21,000 viewers

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby mulu » Tue, 09 Feb 2016, 21:26

a lot of the Spanish 7s boys are on Fiji at the moment is this an (in)official training camp to prepare for Hongkong and Monaco?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 09 Feb 2016, 21:44

That's it. In fact it seems the players contributed financially to make the trip (although they already receive subsidies as Olympic athletes).

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 15 Feb 2016, 09:46

2016 ENC Spain-Romania (L) - 0.4% - 60,900 viewers
2016 ENC Russia-Spain (D - Monday Afternoon) - 0.5% - 53,000 viewers
2015 Supercopa (L) – 0.4% - 49,600 viewers
2015 Copa del Rey (D – Prime Time) – 0.5% - 85,419 viewers
2015 ENC Spain-Germany (L) – 0.6% - 85,961 viewers
2015 ENC Spain-Georgia (L) – 0.5% - 68,405 viewers
2014 Supercopa (D – Access Prime Time) – 0.3% - 45,332 viewers
2014 Copa del Rey (D – Late Afternoon) – 0.6% - 72,000 viewers
2014 ENC – Spain-Georgia (L) – 0.4% - 44,000 viewers
2014 ENC – Spain-Russia (L) – 0.3% - 31,000 viewers
2013 Test Match – Spain-Japan (L) – 0.4% - 47,000 viewers
2013 Copa del Rey (L) – 0.3% - 21,000 viewers

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A couple of weeks ago Toulon gave a lot a of minutes to George Stokes in their match against Sharks. Like Munilla, who fell injured right before the start of ENC, he grew up in Costa del Sol, was formed in Marbella Rugby Club and then was hired by Toulon Espoirs. They were part of U19 European Championship winning squad.

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