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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 06 Oct 2015, 23:11

I don't know if Catalonia will ever get independence, but if it happens it will not be before 2017. The party that won regional elections wanted to implement an 18-month roadmap and they first have to find a partner in order to form a government. But I fear I am getting way too off topic...

The truth is that it would not weaken Spanish or Catalonian rugby too much, in the end we will both always rely in the sons of those who emigrated to France.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 08 Oct 2015, 15:50

Spanish Supercup, VRAC v Cisneros, will be aired live this Saturday by Spanish public TV (16:00 CET). It might be seen from abroad here and will probably uploaded later to VOD service RTVE a la Carta.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 10 Oct 2015, 19:31

VRAC Quesos Entrepinares beat Cisneros 21-24 to clinch its fifth Supercopa. If anyone is interested the match can be seen here: http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/rugb ... s/3318819/

Furthermore, Desde la línea de 22 magazine has published Chile will visit Spain in November, a test match being planned for 21/11. Location is still unknown.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby tryman » Sat, 10 Oct 2015, 22:04

Armchair Fan wrote:VRAC Quesos Entrepinares beat Cisneros 21-24 to clinch its fifth Supercopa. If anyone is interested the match can be seen here: http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/rugb ... s/3318819/

Furthermore, Desde la línea de 22 magazine has published Chile will visit Spain in November, a test match being planned for 21/11. Location is still unknown.


Thanks very much for posting about Spanish rugby, it's great to hear about it.

What there a good crowd at today's final? I wonder did the game get many viewers on TV?

I feel Spain is a real growth area for rugby and world rugby should ensure that they qualify for the 2023 WC, even 2019 but that's a long shot.

Hopefully the Top14 final in Barcelona which will sell out should help the game. I feel the Top14 should bring more games to Spain. Even one off European games could be played there like in San Sebastián, irish or English fans would welcome travelling there.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 10 Oct 2015, 22:22

You're welcome. I've read this forum for some years and I felt I needed to give back part of what I have learnt, despite of my lack of knowledge on the sport (I attend and watch a lot of games, but never played).

There was not a great attendance at Central, to be honest. We will probably need to wait until Monday or Tuesday in order to know TV viewing figures, but Teledeporte lacks of huge audiences: it rarely goes above 1% rating.

Yet, Spanish Federation is doing efforts to improve national rugby coverage. All División de Honor matches are streamed online and they helped some journalists to receive media accreditations for the Rugby World Cup. Several media outlets have published articles on the RWC and it has not been unusual to read interviews to Santiago Santos and Argentinian or Italian squads members.

The truth is many rugby fans feel they were robbed of a chance to play 2015 RWC when last elections at FER led to the decision not to call eligible French players during the first half of ENC/RWC qualifiers... So the general perception is that 2019 RWC is a realistic goal.

Top 14 is a great opportunity, but in the end it is an event made by and for French fans. Will that make any difference for local fanbase? I am doubtful. Japan triumph over South Africa probably did more to rugby's popularity (even my mother saw it on TV!) than Top 14 final will do :D

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby marino » Sun, 11 Oct 2015, 16:54

I think the same as Armchair, the victory of Japan against South Africa make people more aware about rugby than this Top14 final will do. There´s a lot of people who really follow RWC but then they now really little about rugby in their community. They don´t even know that this sport exist in their city/town, so this makes it impossible to grow as fast as it is needed. Moreover when you have this big giant called football which eats every minute of TV and don´t let other sports to have their place on it.

An example of that is spanish basketball. The National team has won the european championship and it is not easy to follow the domestic competition which could be one of the best in Europe.

The rugby clubs are doing a great job by approaching rugby to people who have never listened about it, but it is not enough.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Rowan » Sun, 11 Oct 2015, 21:12

Armchair Fan wrote:VRAC Quesos Entrepinares beat Cisneros 21-24 to clinch its fifth Supercopa. If anyone is interested the match can be seen here: http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/rugb ... s/3318819/


That translates as Cheese Entrepreneurs v Swans, if I'm not mistaken... :roll:
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, then why not in between?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 11 Oct 2015, 21:26

The translation is not that straightforward :lol:

Quesos Entrepinares is a dairy brand ('Cheeses Between Pinewoods') and Cisneros was a XV century cardinal whose name was adopted by a Madrid student residence which founded the rugby team. Spanish rugby roots can be in most of the cases found in universities. Do not forget that the rugby national stadium is the one from Complutense University, for example :)

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Rowan » Sun, 11 Oct 2015, 21:43

Of course, entre-pinares. I didn't look at the word properly. :oops: :lol:

Thanks for the explanation.
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, then why not in between?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 13 Oct 2015, 08:39

tryman wrote:What there a good crowd at today's final? I wonder did the game get many viewers on TV?

I can now answer this properly :)

Some 2,000 spectators attended the match and 49,600 watched it live on TV (0.4% share).

I have collected TV viewers and share figures from the last two years of rugby coverage in Spanish public sports channel Teledeporte in case you are interested in comparisons. L means Live and D means Delayed:
2015 Supercopa (L) – 0.4% - 49,600 viewers
2015 Copa del Rey (D – Prime Time) – 0.5% - 85,419 viewers
2015 ENC Spain-Germany (L) – 0.6% - 85,961 viewers
2015 ENC Spain-Georgia (L) – 0.5% - 68,405 viewers
2014 Supercopa (D – Access Prime Time) – 0.3% - 45,332 viewers
2014 Copa del Rey (D – Late Afternoon) – 0.6% - 72,000 viewers
2014 ENC – Spain-Georgia (L) – 0.4% - 44,000 viewers
2014 ENC – Spain-Russia (L) – 0.3% - 31,000 viewers
2013 Test Match – Spain-Japan (L) – 0.4% - 47,000 viewers
2013 Copa del Rey (L) – 0.3% - 21,000 viewers

Prior to 2013 there is no data available, but TDP spent a year without rugby on TV after losing Aviva Premiership and Heineken Cup rights. Some Spain test matches were broadcast but coverage was scarce anyway, so I would say there is a slight but steady improvement. I wonder what are the results Canal+ (now Movistar+) obtains with 6N, RC and RWC.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby DragonMike » Tue, 13 Oct 2015, 10:24

Intersting figures. Especially that the Germany game was the highest watched!

In GErmany there are a couple of figures for comparison. Eurosport have been achieving c.350000 viewers for the biggest World cup games, which hits about 1.5%. They are apparently really pleased nad have added extra games to the schedule.

Apparently they normally get about 0.7%, which implies they would want c.150-180,000 minimum viewers in prime time. By comparison (Admittedly not really comparable) the live streaming of ENC got 25k viewers, possibly many from abroad. Same issue here. People would watch the big internationals but maybe not Germany.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 20 Oct 2015, 12:11

Test match against Chile will finally take place in Torrelavega (Cantabria), in a 6.000 seats stadium, next November 21.

FER has also published today the squad for U19 European Championship: http://www.ferugby.es/noticias2.php?tit ... e%20Lisboa

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby tryman » Wed, 21 Oct 2015, 20:25

Armchair Fan wrote:Test match against Chile will finally take place in Torrelavega (Cantabria), in a 6.000 seats stadium, next November 21.

FER has also published today the squad for U19 European Championship: http://www.ferugby.es/noticias2.php?tit ... e%20Lisboa


Good I'm glad their are getting some internationals. That area so close to France should be a keen rugby expansion area. I know Biarritz played some games in San Sebastian in the European cup.

Hopefully good days are ahead for Spanish rugby.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Horsehead » Wed, 21 Oct 2015, 20:51

How are Gernika doing? It is a shame that we haven't seen them in European rugby again after they beat Rovigo twice a few years ago. They seemed really up for it. Are they the only wins ever by a Spanish club in European club rugby?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 21 Oct 2015, 21:16

tryman wrote:Good I'm glad their are getting some internationals. That area so close to France should be a keen rugby expansion area. I know Biarritz played some games in San Sebastian in the European cup.

Hopefully good days are ahead for Spanish rugby.

Yes, they also did in Top 14 and some talks were held in past months to relocate some Aviron Bayonnais matches to San Mamés, in Bilbao. We can only benefit from having close ties to France, although there will always be criticism for the great number of French-born players in our XV national team. But if they are the best available professional players we can only make the most of eligibility criteria.

Horsehead wrote:How are Gernika doing? It is a shame that we haven't seen them in European rugby again after they beat Rovigo twice a few years ago. They seemed really up for it. Are they the only wins ever by a Spanish club in European club rugby?
After four matches in División de Honor they rank 6th, but they had to play (and lost) against two strong squads like El Salvador and Santboiana. Right now Valladolid seems to be Spanish rugby capital city, with two of the best teams (VRAC Quesos Entrepinares and El Salvador). And if any Spanish team can do well in the European qualifying tournament right now, that's VRAC.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 25 Oct 2015, 12:37

U19 guys beat Germany 11-0 in European Championship quarterfinals :)

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 01 Nov 2015, 13:32

VRAC Quesos Entrepinares is still undefeated in Spanish División de Honor after six games, eight points ahead the other Valladolid team, El Salvador.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 05 Nov 2015, 12:14

FER has announced the squad for the test match against Chile, let's hope there will not be too many changes.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby beber » Thu, 05 Nov 2015, 16:22

That's strong!

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 05 Nov 2015, 17:42

Indeed, the lack of rugby in France that weekend helps us a lot, but it will always be a bit sad to think such a squad is hard to see in ENC. Tough luck.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby olivier » Thu, 05 Nov 2015, 18:45

Spain Will smash Chile.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Sables4EVA » Fri, 06 Nov 2015, 05:26

olivier wrote:Spain Will smash Chile.


That's really not the point, is it? The fact they are playing each other at all is a great thing and hopefully as time goes on eventually Chile will defeat Spain if this fixture happens more often.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby vino_93 » Fri, 06 Nov 2015, 08:30

Do we know Chile squad ?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 08 Nov 2015, 11:04

If anyone wants to watch División de Honor live, this is the link: http://ferugby.es/index_dh1.php

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 11 Nov 2015, 09:51

A few things that might be of interest:
- In División de Honor Ordizia came close to become the first team to defeat VRAC, losing at home only 16-18. It's the first time VRAC does not clinch offensive bonus this season. They now lead the league 7 points ahead of El Salvador and 12 ahead of Cisneros and Santboiana. Now VRAC is set to host three new Southern Hemisphere players.

- Euskarians has also revealed its squad for their test match against Chile next 17/11.
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- FER has increased its expected budget for 2016, now close to 3 M€ (+5%). In the detailed document it is possible to read they expect to play Nations Cup in June and a test match in November 2016: http://www.ferugby.es/userfiles/file/Tr ... 202016.pdf

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