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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 22 Jan 2018, 18:46

Liga Heineken - Week 15 - Results & Standings
VRAC Quesos Entrepinares 25 - 22 Sanitas Alcobendas (once again close but no cigar for Alcobendas against a team from Valladolid...)
Getxo Artea 10 - 48 SilverStorm El Salvador
Complutense Cisneros 26 - 43 Senor Independiente
AMPO Ordizia 35 - 14 UE Santboiana
FC Barcelona 30 - 17 Bizkaia Gernika
La Vila 24 - 8 Hernani

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Even though to me Alcobendas is the third best team in Spain, currently the standings are a good depiction of Spanish rugby. Two Valladolid team at the top, then Independiente and Alcobendas as possible upsetters, both Catalan teams and Ordizia fighting for two play-off spots, Gernika a bit in no man's land and then two amateur teams (Cisneros and Hernani), a newly-promoted team full of guys from Argentina (La Vila) and a team who made a huge mistake by handing its keys to a decent U18 generation a bit too early (Getxo).

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We've had a few interesting developments in second-tier leagues. In Pool A UBU-Colina Clinic (Burgos) beat Bathco Rugby Club (Santander), both big favourites for promotion, by just 2 points after playing half the game with 14 players, while in Pool B Babarians XV Calvià, the Balearic franchise, beat CAU Valencia and has still chances to qualify for promotion play-off in their first season ever.

Next weekend we should have only Cup semifinals (VRAC v Santboiana, Barça v El Salvador), but the amount of postponed games means 10 out of 12 teams will be playing.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby sk 88 » Mon, 22 Jan 2018, 19:07

Is there automatic promotion and relegation, or will Getxo get a chance in a play off?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 22 Jan 2018, 19:21

Last team gets directly relegated. Second-to-last team plays a play-off against the team defeated in promotion play-off and normally destroys the latter.

My Twitter is @oseznorugby, but I also tweet a lot of BS besides gifs...
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 24 Jan 2018, 09:29

Valencia will host Copa del Rey final whoever plays it:
http://www.ferugby.es/noticias2.php?tit ... 0de%20Copa

The shitstorm coming from Valladolid will be monumental, particularly if both teams from the city reach the final.

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It looks like Spain men's 7s team will wear LaLiga sponsorship at Sydney Sevens:
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Glen Rolls, born in Australia and capped by Spain, works for LaLiga so I suspect he engineered the deal as part of their early arrival to Australia.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 24 Jan 2018, 17:41

Valladolid clubs presidents are already menacing about not promoting any kind of trips to Valencia for their supporters and organising meetups in Valladolid to watch a potential derby in the final. No season without its Civil War in Spanish rugby, yeeeeehah.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Wed, 24 Jan 2018, 20:58

Isn't LaLiga the soccer league in Spain? Why would they sponsor the rugby 7s team?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby olivier » Wed, 24 Jan 2018, 21:39

Levante stadium 24,000 seats. Excellent.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 24 Jan 2018, 22:03

Tobar wrote:Isn't LaLiga the soccer league in Spain? Why would they sponsor the rugby 7s team?

There was a huge war two years ago regarding broadcasting rights of Spanish soccer league. Goverment intervened through its sport body, CSD. To thank their mediation, LaLiga agreed to spend 1% of TV revenues in the rest of Spanish sport. Therefore it became one of the biggest Spanish rugby sponsors with around 200,000€ per year.

In exchange for that money, sports federations allow LaLiga to use its TV rights, gives LaLiga branding on their national shirts and competitions and agree to take part in international tours. For example they take Carolina Marín (badminton) to South Eastern Asia, Javier Fernández (figure skating) to Russia... And for rugby, they took our 7s team to San Francisco in 2016 and now they've decided to make the most of Sydney and Hamilton 7s.

olivier wrote:Levante stadium 24,000 seats. Excellent.


Yes, but if Valladolid boycotts it we're fucked up.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby carbonero » Wed, 24 Jan 2018, 22:56

I don’t understand their rationale. The FER doesn’t want to take national team games away from Madrid because of financial constraints but then takes a cavalier approach with the cup final. The latter seems so much riskier money-wise.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 24 Jan 2018, 23:50

carbonero wrote:I don’t understand their rationale. The FER doesn’t want to take national team games away from Madrid because of financial constraints but then takes a cavalier approach with the cup final. The latter seems so much riskier money-wise.

It's not riskier. FER earns less with Cup final than with a good Spain test match. The good business is for local promoter if the stadiums is a sellout. If I'm not mistaken, FER earned last year 8,000€ + 1€ per ticket sold over 10,000 tickets. Considering 6,000 were invitations for kids, that means FER made around 18,000€ with Cup final. In 2016, FER made 27,000€ against Romania, 27,000€ against Portugal and 55,000€ against Tonga.

And to be honest FER has been taking games away from Madrid progressively. During hard times financially speaking (2013-2015) all games were played in Madrid. Since Autumn 2015, 5 out ot 11 have been moved. They simply prefer to put big games in Madrid to secure they take full ticketing revenues, as almost all other costs surrounding the event are free. If in 2018 games aren't moved from Madrid it won't be for financial reasons but because staff and players prefer to repeat routines ahead of RWC qualifiers.

In the case of Copa del Rey since 2016 was a success, other cities than Valladolid showed interest. And this year Valencia has put a better offer than Valladolid, not by much, but judged enough by FER to take the risk since it's got the support of a soccer club and a big sugar daddy (Fundación Trinidad Alfonso was created by Juan Roig, Mercadona supermarket chain owner and one of the richest guys in Spain). To me Valencia has a great potential, with four clubs in the city playing in División de Honor B and 12 or 13 clubs around the city, growing player numbers by a lot every year.

But it's hard to swallow for Valladolid and even the mayor is losing his cool on Twitter right now... "With all due respect, it's Valladolid who put Spain out of the cave it was because of myopic managers and where it can return due to their mediocrity and ineptitude", among other things.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby carbonero » Thu, 25 Jan 2018, 01:37

Armchair Fan wrote: It's not riskier. FER earns less with Cup final than with a good Spain test match.

I still find it riskier. If the Valladolid fans don’t travel to Valencia, you are going to be far from the 18,000€ profit of 2017. Considering the stakes involved, Romania in Valladolid could approach the 55,000€ mark. The promoter has to hash more money for the national team.

Armchair Fan wrote:If in 2018 games aren't moved from Madrid it won't be for financial reasons but because staff and players prefer to repeat routines ahead of RWC qualifiers.

Isn’t this your most important home game in the last 20 years? I would sacrifice some comfort if it meant having 20.000 plus fans cheering for the team.

I understand where you are coming from. The financial benefits of the Central stadium, spreading the game throughout the country, the Valladolid clubs being a pain in the ass, etc. I just think that this game merited an extra effort. Sorry to sound crass but it’s now or never. How many U20 Frenchmen have Spanish grandparents? It’s gonna be hard to find dual nationals from now on.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 25 Jan 2018, 09:34

carbonero wrote:
Armchair Fan wrote: It's not riskier. FER earns less with Cup final than with a good Spain test match.

I still find it riskier. If the Valladolid fans don’t travel to Valencia, you are going to be far from the 18,000€ profit of 2017. Considering the stakes involved, Romania in Valladolid could approach the 55,000€ mark. The promoter has to hash more money for the national team.


Valencia puts 10,000€ regardless of how many people goes and promises a big promotion effort in the city. A REC game in Valladolid would never give FER 55,000€, last year Valladolid offered 30,000€ to play in Pepe Rojo (not Zorrilla) if I'm not mistaken for Georgia and were outbidded by Medina del Campo (40,000€). And the mayor already says they're tired of bidding, because it should be FER begging for them instead of the opposite...

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Armchair Fan wrote:If in 2018 games aren't moved from Madrid it won't be for financial reasons but because staff and players prefer to repeat routines ahead of RWC qualifiers.

Isn’t this your most important home game in the last 20 years? I would sacrifice some comfort if it meant having 20.000 plus fans cheering for the team.

I understand where you are coming from. The financial benefits of the Central stadium, spreading the game throughout the country, the Valladolid clubs being a pain in the ass, etc. I just think that this game merited an extra effort. Sorry to sound crass but it’s now or never. How many U20 Frenchmen have Spanish grandparents? It’s gonna be hard to find dual nationals from now on.

Yes, to me it should be played in Zorrilla. I'm only playing devil's advocate.

And I understand the situation, that's why I'm also eager to see the game going further than Valladolid. Demography plays against us. A Spanish rugby centered in Valladolid isn't the most promising situation, since it's a city losing population in a old province losing population. They will quickly find limits. Well, they already find them, since they regularly hire young players from Valencia or Andalucía.

Playing in Madrid may be boring as hell, but at least you've got 7,000 registered players and 50 clubs, there are clubs with up to four teams in U12 category. There is a future guaranteed if other options fail.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby iul » Thu, 25 Jan 2018, 15:30

the sums of money made by FER for home games seem miserable to me. How much are tickets? Aren't they like 20-30 euros / person?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 25 Jan 2018, 15:39

iul wrote:the sums of money made by FER for home games seem miserable to me. How much are tickets? Aren't they like 20-30 euros / person?

No. 15€. 12€ if you buy them early. And I imagine these sums are after deducting some costs.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 25 Jan 2018, 19:05

Man, this is turning ugly. Valladolid mayor, again: "I've heard things that hurt me and bothered me deeply from what FER president has said. I think he should be kissing whatever floor Valladolid rugby ever puts a foot on, he would have never dreamt of ever sitting alongside the King of Spain during a Cup final if it wasn't for the effort Valladolid did, its mayor particularly, and both clubs". And he menaces to talk again after both semifinals.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 26 Jan 2018, 19:39

FER issues a statement asking Valladolid for respect and solidarity by reminding they've hosted last three Cup finals:
http://www.ferugby.es/noticias2.php?tit ... l%20rugby#

You don't need to be a genius to guess it has turned into a new wave of insults in social media against Alfonso Feijóo.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 28 Jan 2018, 11:09

Copa del Rey semifinals begin at 12:30 CET

FC Barcelona v SilverStorm El Salvador


VRAC Quesos Entrepinares v UE Santboiana
http://vercanalestv.com/tv/deportes/teledeporte.html
http://telefivegb.com/canales/deporte/teledeporte/
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 28 Jan 2018, 13:12

Both Valladolid teams win their semifinals by large margins and we're in for our favourite Civil War, Valladolid v Spanish Rugby Union. Valladolid mayor will speak tomorrow...

OK, he hasn't even waited for tomorrow:
"Tomorrow I will hold a meeting with VRAC and El Salvador managers. We must think very well which steps we are going to do in face of the aggression from FER to Valladolid and its teams. For the moment we will promote a big party in Valladolid the day of the final so all supporters can enjoy it".
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Sun, 28 Jan 2018, 13:31

:lol: well, at least there is a medium city that REALLY cares about rugby!
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 28 Jan 2018, 13:50

They care, I won't deny that. They've got two local radio shows all about rugby, their regional TV broadcasts highlights of each league game and newspapers publish pages regularly. But in this case I feel the mayor isn't thinking about rugby. He's a socialist mayor governing in coalition a pretty much right-wing city. In the last two months he's seen how a San Silvestre race couldn't be held and how European Rythmic Gymnastics went to Guadalajara after they had been given to his city. He needs to show a strong stance and a competition bearing our King's name is his perfect platform so voters don't think he's too soft.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby rey200 » Sun, 28 Jan 2018, 13:55

well, yeah he is the mayor of a city and not a member of the rugby union of Spain...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 29 Jan 2018, 14:08

There hasn't been any bomb from Valladolid town hall. One of the club presidents couldn't go due to other commitments and they are simply talking about setting up a fanzone in Valladolid during Valencia final.

But Valladolid mayor has returned to Twitter activity, basically claiming that Sant Boi has no right to protest for last year's final held in Valladolid (700 km away) since they could have never dreamt of playing ahead of 21,000 spectators, winning and earning 30,000€. Obviously Santboiana fans are turning crazy... By the way the mayor has blocked me on Twitter.
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Bogdan_DC » Mon, 29 Jan 2018, 14:16

Looks like a lot of fun in Spanish rugby! You must take the positives: in Romania the mayors don't give a fuck about rugby :).

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 29 Jan 2018, 17:31

Aviron Bayonnais published in its website Guillaume Rouet won't play Spain-Romania game (although they say it's the first REC Game) :x :oops:
http://www.abrugby.fr/article/29/01/201 ... ction-2159
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 30 Jan 2018, 01:34

So you are popular among mayors! Great job :p
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