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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 12:12

Liga Heineken - Week 17 - Results and Standings
VRAC Quesos Entrepinares v UBU-Colina Clinic - Postponed
SilverStorm El Salvador 51 - 10 Ampo Ordizia
Complutense Cisneros 35 - 37 Sanitas Alcobendas
Barça Rugbi 20 - 12 Aldro Independiente
Hernani 27 - 34 UE Santboiana
La Vila 20 - 27 Bizkaia Gernika

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Squad to prepare 2019 REC third round against Romania. According to Veintidós there are still four players missing:
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 19:59


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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 18:00

Argentinian journalist Eugenio Astesiano says Spain will tour South America in June: Uruguay, Brazil and Chile
https://twitter.com/UgeAstesiano/status ... 3768989696

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Franky » Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 18:48

How big is the step up from 2nd division to the top teams? a lot of young kiwis are palying in 2nd division at one club and seem to be having success

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 18:56

It all depends on how well does the club prepare during the summer, the depth of the squad and the quality of hired players. UBU-Colina Clinic proved this season you can be extremely competitive in your first season in top-tier league, but to be honest it took them three years (missed promotion by a penalty kick the season before) to be that ready.

From a player POV, intensity of contacts may not be that different because you can find lots of foreigners and Spanish players with international experience playing in División de Honor B or well-oiled amateur teams whose target isn't to get promoted. But squads aren't that deep, differences between top teams and those at the bottom can be big, some club prioritise the games they know they can win and concede cricket scores in those they are interested in... A bit of a far west.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Tobar » Sat, 23 Feb 2019, 14:42

Armchair Fan wrote:Argentinian journalist Eugenio Astesiano says Spain will tour South America in June: Uruguay, Brazil and Chile
https://twitter.com/UgeAstesiano/status ... 3768989696


Fantastico. Nice to have the mother country visit the kids. Spain is also a very respectable country coming to South America - not only is Spain a good football team but many SA watch La Liga as the highest league in the world (vs maybe Premier League in the US). I think La Liga Heineken could be sold to South Americans as well if your pro league kicks off. It also helps that everything is in Spanish.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 24 Feb 2019, 11:05

Liga Heineken - Week 18 - Live Streaming
12:00 - UE Santboiana v VRAC Quesos Entrepinares


12:00 - Bizkaia Gernika v Hernani


12:00 - Aldro Independiente v Complutense Cisneros


12:00 - Ampo Ordizia v Barça Rugbi


12:30 - Sanitas Alcobendas v La Vila


12:30 - SilverStorm El Salvador v UBU-Colina Clinic
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 26 Feb 2019, 16:10

A few changes in the squad to prepare the game against Romania
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Pisapia (born in Venezuela, grown up in Almería) looks set to make his debut as prop, Aurrekoetxea is current U20 scrumhalf but has played as fullback in El Salvador as well.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 27 Feb 2019, 12:09

Liga Heineken - Week 18 - Results and Standings
UE Santboiana 25 - 33 VRAC Quesos Entrepinares (not an easy win for VRAC by any means, letting the BP escape)
SilverStorm El Salvador 36 - 18 UBU-Colina Clinic
Sanitas Alcobendas 42 - 40 La Vila (Alcobendas got the scare of the season after allowing a comeback only frustrated by a missed conversion by La Vila)
Ampo Ordizia 40 - 13 Barça Rugbi
Aldro Independiente 14 - 43 Complutense Cisneros (total opposite trends for these teams...)
Bizkaia Gernika 29 - 27 Hernani (a late comeback maintains Gernika's hopes very much alive)

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In spite of Spain v Romania REC game, there will be two matches this weekend due to postponements: VRAC Quesos Entrepinares v UBU-Colina Clinic and Bizkaia Gernika v Complutense Cisneros.

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Since underage national tournaments have been capped this season to prevent Valladolid from becoming the only suitable venue given their growth, I've had a look on teams entered in different regional championships as a measure to study how they are growing. This is data from last and current season (unfortunately data from Canary Islands and Extremadura is uncomplete and Murcia was ignored in U14 since their competition is U15):
- Under 18: +3.8% - 105 in 2017-18, 109 in 2018-19
- Under 16: +11.3% - 124 in 2017-18, 138 in 2018-19
- Under 14: +16.8% - 107 in 2017-18, 125 in 2018-19

The big concern is about U18, we lose lots of players at that stage. Some return later on since senior teams keep growing at a higher rate, but still... It may be also related to the situation of women at this stage of development.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 27 Feb 2019, 14:53

Armchair Fan wrote:- Under 18: +3.8% - 105 in 2017-18, 109 in 2018-19
- Under 16: +11.3% - 124 in 2017-18, 138 in 2018-19
- Under 14: +16.8% - 107 in 2017-18, 125 in 2018-19

The big concern is about U18, we lose lots of players at that stage. Some return later on since senior teams keep growing at a higher rate, but still... It may be also related to the situation of women at this stage of development.


Growth is always good. I am surprised that there is actually a growth between U14 and U16. Normally at U16 level the numbers start to drop off and definitely you don't have a growth of 29% compared to the U14 numbers the year before. Are there any good reasons for that?
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 27 Feb 2019, 15:11

I've got three hypothesis that make sense and the truth must be somewhere between them:
- FER forces clubs taking part in national competitions to field U18 and U16 teams, so some make an additional effort in these categories
- In regions near French border some clubs prefer to play with their younger teams in France rather than at home
- Some clubs have a top-to-bottom approach rather than bottom-to-top. It may be because they are in a small village and original senior team then declines into younger teams or because they have bigger clubs nearby which already attract lots of kids and they only collect them later, when they drop out, they don't want to be so serious...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 04 Mar 2019, 12:05

David Mélé called against Belgium as well as Rouet brothers and Fabien Perrin. Koi Hogg after the good impression left in first games, we lose Joshua Peters

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 05 Mar 2019, 14:22

5.7 M€ record budget for FER in 2018. Boosted by ticketing revenues (265k€) and Bilbao 2018 EPCR finals profit (469k€):
http://ferugby.es/panel/laferinforma/up ... 202018.pdf

For 2019 the budget is quite conservative, but still in the rise compared to previous forecasts, 4,3 M€.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby sammo » Tue, 05 Mar 2019, 19:55

Possible David Mele eligibility questions: https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/com ... ec_david_mélé/

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 05 Mar 2019, 19:57

Known since last year. Journalists say FER told them this weekend World Rugby gave them an OK. I hope so because the second he touches a field there will be protests filled.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 05 Mar 2019, 23:18

Interesting interview here with Santiago Toca, El Salvador president, in Radio MARCA Valladolid weekly rugby show (from minute 38, although big Q&A starts at 49):
https://www.ivoox.com/04-03-2019-zona-d ... 179_1.html

Tidbits:
- Club budget for 2018/19 season is 830,000€, but less than 300,000€ are spent in their first men's team
- They have 11 professional contracts in the team
- He estimates at 1 M€ the amount needed to have a fully professional team
- Professional league project is ongoing in spite of lack of news: a third party has been contracted to register the association after a first failed attempt due to burocratic procedures and a draft convention to be presented in front of FER is being written
- They want to start no matter how next season, even it must be not in full capacity
- Interviewer says there has been leaks about exaggerated fees asked by FER for refereeing and other aspects, Toca denies it and reminds no official negotiations have been held so far since the association isn't still fully registered

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby 4N » Mon, 11 Mar 2019, 22:18

Spain tours Brazil (June 8), Chile (June 15) and Uruguay (June 22)


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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 12 Mar 2019, 11:51

Yes, it was advanced by Eugenio Astesiano on Twitter a couple of weeks ago and then included in FER calendar.

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Radio MARCA Valladolid interviewed this week Chema Valentín-Gamazo, VRAC president:
https://www.ivoox.com/11-03-2019-zona-d ... 417_1.html

Less interesting than El Salvador's last week, but some info given nevertheless:
- Around 900,000€ of total budget for this season
- 50% devoted to junior teams, senior team has more or less the same as other Liga Heineken sides
- He thinks they would need a 20-25% increase to reach their maximum capacity, including playing Continental Shield
- They want to enter Continental Shield but acknowledge they would need an expanded squad and better scheduling, meaning help from FER and other clubs

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Sevens win over New Zealand made the news in every TV channel and newspaper. Team realises it was their worst tournament of the season, but since they've already almost secured avoiding relegation and the main goal now is Olympic qualifiers in the summer, such a win is probably more important than another Cup QF. This was an excerpt from public TV main channel:
http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/tele ... a/5048718/

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U18 and U16 Autonomic Championships came to an end this weekend. This season they adopted a round robin format and Madrid won both tournaments by beating Catalonia in the last round. In fact Andalucía even managed to finish runner-up in U16. Madrid win in U18 is particularly remarkable given the number of players that have gone abroad from that generation, but it proves they not only have the numbers (+33% more players than Portugal with half the population) but also great structures and coaching.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 12 Mar 2019, 14:37

As expected, rejuvenated squad for Germany. FER gives priority to players development over runner-up spot once relegation has been avoided:
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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby amz » Tue, 12 Mar 2019, 14:38

Relegation? You're not serious :roll:

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 12 Mar 2019, 15:49

Yep, that was the plan. To send a younger team to Germany as long as relegation had been avoided. We could have perfectly lost both against Russia and Romania and the story right now would be very different.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby armchair_expert » Tue, 12 Mar 2019, 22:07

Bristol has signed a player:
The Ebbw Vale winger – who has represented Wales Sevens and Welsh Students – links up with Pat Lam’s squad following the season-long injury to Ryan Edwards.

He is a young Englishman hungry for an opportunity and I believe our rugby programme will help him reach his dreams.”

He will be registered there as England-qualified despite playing for Wales 7s at RE 7s GPS - because "It was only Rugby Europe." and "Not a capture 7’s team"

If the above is true then presumably Six Nations unions do not field their First Sevens teams at Rugby Europe 7s tournaments - which would explain how David Mélé is eligible for Spain despite playing for France in FIRA-AER 7s GPS.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 12 Mar 2019, 23:02

Which is bullshit. You know it, I know it. Eligibility rules need a full rewriting exercice with World Rugby admitting they have got a mess in hands.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby 4N » Tue, 12 Mar 2019, 23:05

Agreed

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Re: Spanish rugby

Postby Bogdan_DC » Wed, 13 Mar 2019, 07:05

Basically this year&next year REIC doesn't block any player.Logic. F..k logic :))

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