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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Raven » Tue, 31 Mar 2020, 12:05

Armchair Fan wrote:All professionalism that could be found among Spanish clubs is being dismantled as a consequence of COVID-19. The most organised ones, with legally contracted players, are doing everything through temporary redundancy schemes (SilverStorm El Salvador and UBU-Colina Clinic announced them), others just paid plane tickets to their foreigners and the feeling is we are going to suffer a huge setback. Who is going to sponsor rugby when millions are being fired? It doesn't look good.


I read on some portals that in Italy the situation is also the same. This act of God is a huge setback for everybody, even huge professional clubs are undergoing internal crisis ATM.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 15 Apr 2020, 15:28

Classic All Blacks game postponed, they will try to do it in September...
https://www.revista22.es/2020/04/el-esp ... eptiembre/

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby theDarky » Wed, 15 Apr 2020, 15:36

Armchair Fan wrote:Classic All Blacks game postponed, they will try to do it in September...
https://www.revista22.es/2020/04/el-esp ... eptiembre/


Did they sell lot of tickets before the crisis ?

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 15 Apr 2020, 15:44

Over 40,000...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Thomas » Wed, 15 Apr 2020, 15:55

The official Email just came in my inbox... postponed.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 21 Apr 2020, 11:08

Do you want to discover how absurd an electoral battle can be in Spanish rugby?

Valor de Rugby, FER opposition, launched a series of Zoom videoconferences to discuss about the future of Spanish rugby. First of them was with Hansen himself, while this week they are going to talk about how to support clubs and the electoral process:
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What has been FER reaction? Launching an online TV show the same day at the same hour!
http://ferugby.es/este-miercoles-a-las- ... -a-tu-casa

It started as a joke, it's now real: having a meaningful opposition is forcing FER to act and do things instead of just waiting like always.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 21 Apr 2020, 13:00

And opposition shows some common sense, delaying their event...
https://twitter.com/ValorDeRugby/status ... 9901785091

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Canalina » Tue, 21 Apr 2020, 15:14

Do you know who Bernardo Solano was?
According to a wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_ball#History , fourth line of the paragraph) he was an helper or maybe a concurrent of Lindon and Gilbert, the two "masters" who created the modern rugby ball.
Solano is a surname nowadays present in several cities of southern Italy, but I think it's much more diffuses in the Spanish world; also Bernardo is a first name more popular in the spanish panorama than in Italy.
Anyway I can't find the name of Bernardo Solano elsewhere than in that wikipedia page, or than in the many other pages simply copying&pasting the wikipedia version.
It would be curious to know who was this latin man living and working in the core of the rugby history; but I start to suspect that maybe he never existed in that time and that it could be just a joke, maybe a nowadays living Bernardo Solano inserted his name in the wikipedia page to feel himself part of the rugby history...

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 21 Apr 2020, 15:44

I read you this morning but I have no idea. I will ask somebody that might.

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Re: Spanish rugby

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Canalina » Tue, 21 Apr 2020, 16:29

He could have given you some more details, I can't find anything about this dubliner Bernard Solano too.
Anyway, thank you.
And anyway, even if that surname is latin as it seems, he must have been a spanish-irish, not an italian-irish: almost all the results I find on google refers to spanish-speaking persons.
Gilbert was born in 1799, Lindon in 1816, Solano in 1835. Probably the second was apprentice of the first and the third was apprentice of the second

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Thomas » Tue, 21 Apr 2020, 19:32

It would be interesting to know if that is the correct surname or is phonetic.. I did a search of Irish Birth Records I only came across one name that is similar:

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Bernard J. Solon
Birth
21 February 1837

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Bryan Solan
Birth
1834

The only Solano I found is female from 1834 of Spanish immigrants.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Canalina » Tue, 21 Apr 2020, 20:01

I wonder where the redactor of the wikipedia page have found that name. Probably in a book not digitally translated, because I haven't found any other reference at all

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 30 Apr 2020, 22:31

VRAC Quesos Entrepinares has been declared champion of 2019/20 season. Hernani relegated and Getxo promoted in spite of a tie with Jaén as best pool champions in DHB and a round of regular season to go:
http://ferugby.es/comunicado-ferugby-so ... cionales-2

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 14 May 2020, 10:16

The Times on Oriol Ripol to start a series of articles to showcase the globality of rugby:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/spor ... -7q8f5cf6v

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 21 May 2020, 11:58

FER publishes it has been notified by World Rugby that Bell is eligible:
http://ferugby.es/world-rugby-estrecha- ... -jugadores

At the same time it seems World Rugby is requiring FER to inform them of which processes are they establishing to verify eligibility :roll:

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Bogdan_DC » Thu, 21 May 2020, 12:50

What a load of bullshit. Sorry but i feel very frustrated by this. We just lost a World Cup for lesser than this. And Bell is ok...HOW?!

First: FER recognised their guilt that Bell was out of the country for 68 days in one year: http://ferugby.es/comunicado-ferugby-so ... essel-bell
Also it looks that in fact are more than 68 days https://www.revista22.es/2020/02/nuevos ... r-sancion/

Second: he came in Spain in December https://vracrugby.com/el-zaguero-sudafr ... -20162017/ and he debuted in November...http://ferugby.es/los-23-leones-que-bus ... -hong-kong. He is at least 10 days short again of making 3 years of residency.

So two reasons why he is not eligible and WR is saying he is ok...

If we are taking in account that Spanish season got at least 4 months of break i have big doubts that the rest of their foreigners are eligible. Romania asked other 7 players to be checked but WR & RE refused...

Spain got a rich history in misalignements: 2015 – Grammatico 2016 – Belie 2017 – Belie 2018 - Belie&Fuster 2019 – Mele(not caught but how the f… he can be eligible?) &Bell 2020 - Bell&others. Somehow FER broke all the rules, for residency, for NSRT (7s &U20), there are rumors that even for ancestry. They are quite a few, but it looks like there are MANY MORE.

Dunno if counts our vote for Pichot and Spain vote for Beaumont but Who cares? because rugby could be big in Spain while Romania is nothing for World Rugby.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 21 May 2020, 13:00

The fact that FER doesn't put Bell's clearance in the headline but just inside the article speaks volumes about how they aren't exactly proud of their work.

Even if Bell was 100% eligible and every single detail you have highlighted had been properly explained to World Rugby, FER still messed up a starting XV hours before a crucial game because they weren't convinced of their administrative work, tried to cover their fuck up with an inexistent illness and sees World Rugby calling them out so they explain how they are checking eligibility. Great because we can still count on Bell and we avoid relegation fears in REC, but it's still a shitshow.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Bogdan_DC » Thu, 21 May 2020, 13:10

It's just making me believe more than ever that without Bruxelles show, both teams Spain&Romania, wouldn't be expelled in 2018. All of this is showing WR discretionary use of their laws to punish/favour teams.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Thu, 21 May 2020, 13:19

I don't even think there is that will to punish and favour as you say. They are used to do things in the old good way and don't like attention and publicity. If they can hide rubbish under the carpet, they do it.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Bogdan_DC » Thu, 21 May 2020, 13:27

Armchair Fan wrote:I don't even think there is that will to punish and favour as you say. They are used to do things in the old good way and don't like attention and publicity. If they can hide rubbish under the carpet, they do it.

It is exactly what i'm saying and in that particulary case they want to punish both countries for the scandal.They dont like the noise disturbing them while drinking their tea.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby amz » Thu, 21 May 2020, 13:39

If it is true, I would have liked to see this settled by a proper WR panel as the practice to be known for everyone and not trough some correspondence which was not made public.

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Wed, 27 May 2020, 09:40

FER works on three different scenarios with league starts possible in September, December or March plus touch rugby for kids rugby:
https://www.marca.com/rugby/2020/05/27/ ... b45c3.html

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Re: Spanish rugby

Unread postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 29 May 2020, 12:02

Classic All Blacks game is moved to May 2021
http://ferugby.es/el-partido-del-xv-del ... yo-de-2021

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