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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby SHIZZZO » Sat, 23 Jun 2018, 07:39

This is possibly the worst performance I have ever seen from our team for a long time, may be ever. A disgrace really. Hopefully this is part of some sort of a plan, where we hide our game from Italy. Oh god I can't believe I am writing this :(
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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Scoob » Sat, 23 Jun 2018, 07:53

That was awful from Georgia,terrible conditions but everything went wrong.
They need to bring in Aprasidze and Abzhandadze for november tests.Sharikadze to come back .Pruidze and Sichinava on the wings.The younger players have more possibilities of changing a mediocre backline.There current halfback has completely lost all confidence.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Sat, 23 Jun 2018, 08:21

Fiji and Japan, both completely destroyed Georgia without any chance or hope.

Who is next? We have open season on destroying our team... Poor Tonga they beat Fiji and did not deserve 1 point defeat from Georgia. They were unlucky.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby GeoRugby » Sat, 23 Jun 2018, 13:04

Last game against Fiji was demoralizing for the players. Better to learn from the mistakes now while there is still time before next November. Losing is part of sport and these boys need all the support they can get. Some players need to be dropped from this team but many players missing now and who will return, will make Georgia more competitive. With first choice props missing as well as players like Tkhilaishvili, Gorgadze, Sharikadze, Koshadze, Modebadze, quality had dropped. They need to start getting Abjandadze ready for the World cup. Aprasidze as well.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 23 Jun 2018, 15:09

NUMBERS TALK

http://site.rugby.ge/ka-GE/GEO-FF/

It was Test #215 for Georgia and only SECOND WHITE'WASH

The other ONE - Test #28: RWC'Q in 1998 vs Ireland 0-70

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby datodato » Sat, 23 Jun 2018, 16:45

I'm telling you folks - forwards coach has to go. Bring in someone who knows his trade. This guy is an absolute joke.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby YamahaKiwi » Sun, 24 Jun 2018, 11:05

Don't be too hard on your team. I think after arduous travel and games in PI tbe guys may have been tired. As I said before, this game would've been better played BEFORE going to PI. Also the conditions at this time of year (monsoon) are difficult. I think JPN should've been motivated for this game seeing as they lost last week despite that game being an official memorial game to Seiji Hirao, one of the legends of Japanese rugby, and I'm sure the coaches made the players aware of their disappointment in not providing a performance to match that occasion (Even Himeno, the find of the Sunwolves season, was quoted in Sankei Sports saying, "Frankly we were crap"),So there were some advantages for JPN even before kickoff.

That said maybe there is also a case for dropping the coach if poor results against similar level teams continue. Was this guy in the coaching setup when GEO pushed WAL last year?

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Bogdan_DC » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 08:12

The weather is a big factor, i remember Oaks talking about that (humidity), after the game vs Japan.
On the other hand i have the feeling that Haig should have done more in terms of creating depth in some key positions for Lelos.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby YamahaKiwi » Mon, 25 Jun 2018, 23:57

Yip. and that travel I mentioned is very arduous too. Again in that case it's better to do the stopover for a mid point game like Japan on the way to the final destination rather than on the way back when you're already likely to be tired. I've been to Eastern Europe four times now, including once to Georgia, and several times to Ukraine, and I always do the stopover on the way up (usually Japan or Hong Kong) and go back all in one go as I'm already tired from all the travelling (even playing no rugby!) and just want to get home. And to give people on this forum an idea of the journey time, the last couple of times travelling back from Ukraine, including internal travel there to Kyiv, and including transit time in the likes of Vienna or Stockholm, then in Hong Kong, it's taken me almost 50 hours to get back to Auckland. Even taking out the Ukrainian sleeper train part, still about 40 hours.

Even going into or from western European hubs it usually takes about 30 hours to/from Auckland. Add on more time for transit in Auckland, or even the need for a night over there if there's not a same day connection on some days, and that's even more time to the likes of Samoa, or Fiji. You can get directly to some PI including Fiji, from some intermediate points like Japan, HKG or LAX but still there is no direct flight from those to the likes of Georgia, Ukraine, or Romania etc, so you're still left with a transit and further flight in Europe via the likes of Frankfurt, Instanbul, Warsaw, possibly Moscow etc. In Georgia's case one of the Chinese airlines now operates some days from one of the major Chinese cities direct to Tbilisi but even that would've still required another flight from Japan to China. Unless someone has been down this way, it's hard for them to take into account just what a mission it is to travel from Eastern (or even western) Europe to the SW pacific and vice versa. Going to Europe it always reminds me just how bloody isolated we are in this part of the world!

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby YamahaKiwi » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 00:21

Bogdan_DC wrote:The weather is a big factor, i remember Oaks talking about that (humidity), after the game vs Japan.
On the other hand i have the feeling that Haig should have done more in terms of creating depth in some key positions for Lelos.


That's actually interesting. I was in Bucuresti in mid June 2013 to watch Romania play in the Nations Cup and it was like 36 degrees celcius and humid. I remember saying to myself that it reminded me of summer in Japan! Thought Oaks players at least would've been used to it.(Sorry GEO fans to go off topic)

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby fullbackace » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 00:44

YamahaKiwi wrote:
Bogdan_DC wrote:The weather is a big factor, i remember Oaks talking about that (humidity), after the game vs Japan.
On the other hand i have the feeling that Haig should have done more in terms of creating depth in some key positions for Lelos.


That's actually interesting. I was in Bucuresti in mid June 2013 to watch Romania play in the Nations Cup and it was like 36 degrees celcius and humid. I remember saying to myself that it reminded me of summer in Japan! Thought Oaks players at least would've been used to it.(Sorry GEO fans to go off topic)


You know what's interesting, Tbilisi/Batumi do reach up to 80% humidity from time to time but it's never that suffocating. Like in america 80-100% feels like a sauna and becomes unbearable but In Tbilisi and Batumi it feels fine, I'm rarely even bothered by it. My theory is that Georgia is more windy so air is not a problem, It's almost like a "U" shaped corridor between two mountain ranges. I grew up on 10th floor and even when it's scorching on the ground floor you can open the windows and feel the breeze...

As for Rugby, we can talk with more certainty after we get our injured players back. Hopefully by November all the questions will be answered. Idk if the answers will be good or bad tho. We need our injured players back. Especially Sharikadze, Modebadze, Gorgadze and Bitsadze. In addition we should test some of the youngsters like Abzhandadze and Aprasidze.

If we have all the players match fit and still do badly then we have a serious problem.
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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby YamahaKiwi » Tue, 26 Jun 2018, 01:29

In that case Georgia is lucky! I don't know why Japan bothers to have summer holidays in July-August as you feel so lethargic with that "sauna effect" that it's all you can do to take an alcoholic/non-alcoholic beverage from the fridge fall down onto the cushion next to your Japanese low-style table and watch the All Japan high school baseball champs on tv! (And I'm talking 9 or 10am in the morning! :lol: ) Either that or go to the cooler Nagano-Japan Alps or northern Japan Hokkaido island areas, or even overseas for a while.

While these defeats are unsavoury, the best any fan can hope for is that lessons are learnt and the team comes back better. If that is the case and GEO turn up in Japan all the better for it in September next year, then it can be said that in some sense the experience was worthwhile. And yes, Sharikadze for one is a very good player and would've been missed.

By the way, I saw it announced in the Japanese media that GEO's pre RWC warm up camp will be in the rural area of Tokushima on the smallest of the four main Japanese islands, Shikoku. Off the beaten track a bit, and I haven't been to Tokushima, but I have been twice to Shikoku and I really liked it, after the sprawl and built up areas of the main island Honshu.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Scorpion » Thu, 28 Jun 2018, 06:48

fullbackace wrote:Hopefully by November all the questions will be answered.

Well, here is first one - aussie coaches have been sacked

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Bogdan_DC » Thu, 28 Jun 2018, 07:17

YamahaKiwi wrote:
Bogdan_DC wrote:The weather is a big factor, i remember Oaks talking about that (humidity), after the game vs Japan.
On the other hand i have the feeling that Haig should have done more in terms of creating depth in some key positions for Lelos.


That's actually interesting. I was in Bucuresti in mid June 2013 to watch Romania play in the Nations Cup and it was like 36 degrees celcius and humid. I remember saying to myself that it reminded me of summer in Japan! Thought Oaks players at least would've been used to it.(Sorry GEO fans to go off topic)


Like Fullbackace said are different types of hot. In the summer Bucharest can be very hot but the humidity is not that high. Also we are not used to play in the hot summer months (Nations Cup it was in June and it is supposed to be more windy&rainy). I never been to Japan but i was in few countries in south east Asia and humidity was killing me. For big guys like Lelos playing in hot humid weather it should have an impact just like for Oaks. Probably not as big as not having their first choice props :), but still...

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Thu, 28 Jun 2018, 08:31

Looks like Richard Graham and Brad Harris will be out of our Coaching stuff. We need some serious coaches and immediately!!!

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby welshdragon2000 » Thu, 28 Jun 2018, 09:16

RugbyPUBtbilisi wrote:Looks like Richard Graham and Brad Harris will be out of our Coaching stuff. We need some serious coaches and immediately!!!

You have the money to get quality in and the U20 performance may attract coaches due to the good crop of youngsters coming through. There are many unions that would have just stuck with their coaches so as not to unsettle the squad before the World Cup, I think the Georgian union is very well run and Haig knows exactly what he is doing. Hopefully the lessons will have been learnt. Are any of the U20 coaches good enough to make the step up? It would be a risky move if they are untried at the top level but a risk that could pay off. I believe the right coaches will be brought in and Georgia will kick on to where they should be. A good June would have put them in the top 10 which would have been excellent, hopefully November will right the wrongs of the summer matches and put the Lelos in good stead going into a World Cup year. Beat Italy has to be the primary target.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Thu, 28 Jun 2018, 10:29

welshdragon2000 wrote: Beat Italy has to be the primary target.

With the performance shown on Summer tests? Hard to believe.

I dont think this is possible considering that Lelos did not make 5 passes without being penalized.

Lets see

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby datodato » Thu, 28 Jun 2018, 10:38

welshdragon2000 wrote:
RugbyPUBtbilisi wrote:Looks like Richard Graham and Brad Harris will be out of our Coaching stuff. We need some serious coaches and immediately!!!

You have the money to get quality in and the U20 performance may attract coaches due to the good crop of youngsters coming through. There are many unions that would have just stuck with their coaches so as not to unsettle the squad before the World Cup, I think the Georgian union is very well run and Haig knows exactly what he is doing. Hopefully the lessons will have been learnt. Are any of the U20 coaches good enough to make the step up? It would be a risky move if they are untried at the top level but a risk that could pay off. I believe the right coaches will be brought in and Georgia will kick on to where they should be. A good June would have put them in the top 10 which would have been excellent, hopefully November will right the wrongs of the summer matches and put the Lelos in good stead going into a World Cup year. Beat Italy has to be the primary target.


1.) GREATEST NEWS IN A LONG TIME! BRAD HARRIS IS JUST THE BIGGEST PILE OF S***t I have ever seen in a coach, Richard Graham hat a 4-12 loss record with the Reds and finished only above Southern Kings or so in 2k15. You have to question Haigs intentions and judgement in signing Harris. He was coaching some stupid club teams in Australia, never made it to Super Rugby level or anything and then he was signed to coach one of the best forward packs in the world - AND HE BLEW IT. Sorry, as an international coach you get exactly ONE chance (this rule does not apply to Kingsley Jones, who is the worst coach ever but gets signed for whatever reason over and over again). If you blow your chance go back and coach clubs in Australia or a school team and enjoy your huge amount of free time. Bye, bye.

2.) Ilia was training with the Lelos before and during RWC15 I remember him sitting in the coaching box on the TV. Don't know if he would like to go up to a what looks like the worst coached Georgian pack in a long time - no scrums, no mauls, no forward ball, no contest in the rucks, poor tackle technique. I think he would be 1000000000000000 times better than stupid Harris. Maybe we find somebody like Bes again, maybe someone with international experience.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby GeoRugby » Thu, 28 Jun 2018, 14:12

If they were let go, it would make sense. Both, the backplay and scrum have regressed for Georgia lately. Harris specially has done poor job identifying quality props. They need to be replaced by quality specialists though. BTW havent seen any official sources about the news.

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby fullbackace » Thu, 28 Jun 2018, 15:00

datodato wrote:
welshdragon2000 wrote:
RugbyPUBtbilisi wrote:Looks like Richard Graham and Brad Harris will be out of our Coaching stuff. We need some serious coaches and immediately!!!

You have the money to get quality in and the U20 performance may attract coaches due to the good crop of youngsters coming through. There are many unions that would have just stuck with their coaches so as not to unsettle the squad before the World Cup, I think the Georgian union is very well run and Haig knows exactly what he is doing. Hopefully the lessons will have been learnt. Are any of the U20 coaches good enough to make the step up? It would be a risky move if they are untried at the top level but a risk that could pay off. I believe the right coaches will be brought in and Georgia will kick on to where they should be. A good June would have put them in the top 10 which would have been excellent, hopefully November will right the wrongs of the summer matches and put the Lelos in good stead going into a World Cup year. Beat Italy has to be the primary target.


1.) GREATEST NEWS IN A LONG TIME! BRAD HARRIS IS JUST THE BIGGEST PILE OF S***t I have ever seen in a coach, Richard Graham hat a 4-12 loss record with the Reds and finished only above Southern Kings or so in 2k15. You have to question Haigs intentions and judgement in signing Harris. He was coaching some stupid club teams in Australia, never made it to Super Rugby level or anything and then he was signed to coach one of the best forward packs in the world - AND HE BLEW IT. Sorry, as an international coach you get exactly ONE chance (this rule does not apply to Kingsley Jones, who is the worst coach ever but gets signed for whatever reason over and over again). If you blow your chance go back and coach clubs in Australia or a school team and enjoy your huge amount of free time. Bye, bye.

2.) Ilia was training with the Lelos before and during RWC15 I remember him sitting in the coaching box on the TV. Don't know if he would like to go up to a what looks like the worst coached Georgian pack in a long time - no scrums, no mauls, no forward ball, no contest in the rucks, poor tackle technique. I think he would be 1000000000000000 times better than stupid Harris. Maybe we find somebody like Bes again, maybe someone with international experience.

GOOD NEWS IF TRUE!


Welcome news for sure but you don't have to insult the guy personally geez :lol:
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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby datodato » Thu, 28 Jun 2018, 15:24

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Canalina » Fri, 06 Jul 2018, 06:22

Maybe you are already aware of this: the ancient map (1357 a.D.) from which the modern flag of Georgia has been created was designed by two brothers from Venice and it's now conserved in a library near my town, in Parma the city of Zebre.
In the map the flag with a big red cross and four smaller red crosses was waving on the castle of Tifilis, now Tbilisi. I learned all this yesterday

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Postby fullbackace » Fri, 06 Jul 2018, 18:58

Canalina wrote:Maybe you are already aware of this: the ancient map (1357 a.D.) from which the modern flag of Georgia has been created was designed by two brothers from Venice and it's now conserved in a library near my town, in Parma the city of Zebre.
In the map the flag with a big red cross and four smaller red crosses was waving on the castle of Tifilis, now Tbilisi. I learned all this yesterday

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Are they the ones that added 4 extra crosses ? cause the first one was there During David the builder in 1100s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_IV_of_Georgia#/media/File:KingDavidtheBuilderFlag.svg
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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby Canalina » Fri, 06 Jul 2018, 20:35

The "Jerusalem Cross", I've read on wikipedia, is the name of that coat with a big red cross plus four smaller crosses in the squares. In the Middle Age it was the cross of the city of Jerusalem and the emblem of the crusaders; but I don't know why it was waving over Tbilisi in 1367, or why the the two Venice cartographers decided to assign that flag to Tbilisi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_cross

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Re: Georgia (Lelos)

Postby fullbackace » Sat, 07 Jul 2018, 07:17

Canalina wrote:The "Jerusalem Cross", I've read on wikipedia, is the name of that coat with a big red cross plus four smaller crosses in the squares. In the Middle Age it was the cross of the city of Jerusalem and the emblem of the crusaders; but I don't know why it was waving over Tbilisi in 1367, or why the the two Venice cartographers decided to assign that flag to Tbilisi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_cross

That flag is on the walls of several monasteries from around 11-12th century. Some crusaders settled in Georgia after the loss of Jerusalem. They could've brought it with them.
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