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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby Canalina » Mon, 19 Nov 2018, 08:54

Fascinating, it just appeared in my youtube page. A report about France v Romania 1973


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Postby Canalina » Mon, 19 Nov 2018, 21:31

In our italian forum someone asked about the history of the maul, sustaining that it arrived in Europe just during the New Zealand tour in the 60s years of the XX century and that before that date such kind of play was whistled (in Europe) as obstruction.
I tried to find something on google without success. Do you know something about?

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 07:27

Definition of MAUL was written into Law around 1967

Before that there was
STANDING TACKLE = as in present RL, and
a restrained player should release | play ball

Source: Almanach "Centenary of IRFB 1986" | Laws Evolution chapter

CAN check that book for exact wording | quote but NOT soon

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Postby Bogdan_DC » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 07:49

Canalina wrote:Fascinating, it just appeared in my youtube page. A report about France v Romania 1973


Nice one, my godfather played in this game, Gheorghe Dumitru.

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Postby Canalina » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 10:27

Thank you as always, Flidta Risxva

Congrats Bogdan :) :thumbup:

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Postby Bogdan_DC » Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 11:12

Quite few fists&slaps in there, the french coaching smoking on the bench, the way they throw in the line out..nice report :)!

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Postby Vova12 » Thu, 29 Nov 2018, 16:44

film "Happy, Zhenya" .1984
45.00 stadium "Slava"
Slava - Lokomotiv Moscow

https://ok.ru/video/82222713502
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Postby Canalina » Mon, 10 Dec 2018, 11:24

Italia v Argentina, forty years ago (november 1978)
It's an unusual video, with a kiddish but someway efficacious effect. It's the closing video of a then popular sport sunday show ("Domenica Sprint"), aired in Italy. Also the scores that the anchorman reads before the video are related to rugby, to the national championship


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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 10 Dec 2018, 12:33

Yes, it was Sunday, 5 NOV 1978 - albeit business day:

SOV authorities used to swap SUN with next MON
for providing laborers with continuous drinkfest
during 7 NOV (TUE) holidays:
indeed, we got 3-day rest then = 6-7-8 NOV

Lokomotivi Tbilisi won Soviet Cup on that day,
beating Slava Moscow by 30-3 at Vake

Slava delegated 8 players to SOV side camp whereas
Loko was at full strength -- even fielding Kilasonia at nine

I was there, in press-box, as 17-years-old, first year
computer science student of Tbilisi University --
keen rugby player and statistician since age of 9

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Postby Canalina » Mon, 10 Dec 2018, 13:12

Nice post, Flidta :thumbup:

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Postby Vova12 » Wed, 12 Dec 2018, 19:54

A film about rugby in the USSR, 1985.

https://vk.com/rugby?z=video332047052_4 ... 4897_33098
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Postby amz » Fri, 14 Dec 2018, 08:20

Well documented Welsh article about 1988 match vs Romania

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... VIz-1xttNE

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Postby Canalina » Sat, 22 Dec 2018, 10:45

A logo a bit mysterious from an italian 1969 stickers album. What's that Federation Internationale de Rugby?
It should be not nowadays World Rugby because according to wikipedia it was originally IRFB, then IRB. Never FIR.
And it should be not FIRA (nowadays Rugby Europe) because in the map of the logo the represented ones are the Americas

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https://www.ebay.it/itm/FIGURINA-PANINI ... 3308293915

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 22 Dec 2018, 11:17

Should be a forgery ... to pinch some extra cent

A famous Georgian collector claims that
he has a full-scale match-day program of
GEO inaugural test vs ZIM on 12/09_1989 in Kutaisi

I was the organizer of that game and
we have produced just a leaflet with expended GEO squad --
nothing else

So, somebody -- probably many years after that game --
could have done a fake booklet and sold it to him as genuine

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Postby Canalina » Sat, 22 Dec 2018, 12:12

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:Should be a forgery ... to pinch some extra cent
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I suspected it. Maybe it was done without malice but just by laziness. It was a multi-sport stickers album, rugby was a minor sport and maybe they didn't want to spend time and efforts searching the real international federation logo, in an age without google

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 22 Dec 2018, 14:07

EXACTLY. I even doubt FIRA had a logo either

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Postby Vova12 » Sat, 22 Dec 2018, 16:18

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:Should be a forgery ... to pinch some extra cent

A famous Georgian collector claims that
he has a full-scale match-day program of
GEO inaugural test vs ZIM on 12/09_1989 in Kutaisi

I was the organizer of that game and
we have produced just a leaflet with expended GEO squad --
nothing else

So, somebody -- probably many years after that game --
could have done a fake booklet and sold it to him as genuine

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Interesting. Shalva has a scan this "program."
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Postby Canalina » Wed, 02 Jan 2019, 08:53

Japan v Thailand, 1969. It was the first Asian Championship and the match ended 82-8. Good crowd, it seems!
The photo is taken from the facebook page of a thai club
www.facebook.com/326254494179761/photos ... 523773582/

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Five nations played in that inaugural edition but many results faded away in the memory
http://en.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/series ... te=results

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Wed, 02 Jan 2019, 09:26

NOT a rugby but still
... pre-WWII basketball of Lithuania

https://www.knyguklubas.lt/media/sample ... yti_fl.pdf

Some great shots and even a game sheet

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Postby Thomas » Wed, 02 Jan 2019, 11:38

Canalina wrote:In our italian forum someone asked about the history of the maul, sustaining that it arrived in Europe just during the New Zealand tour in the 60s years of the XX century and that before that date such kind of play was whistled (in Europe) as obstruction.
I tried to find something on google without success. Do you know something about?


The earliest reference that I can find about the Maul is in the book of Laws from LAWS OF FOOTBALL 1868 - I am not sure if this is an amendment to Blackheath FC (1862) or separate laws

11. If in case of a run in, the ball is held in a maul, it shall not be lawful for any other player on his own side to take it from the runner and run with it.
12. It shall be lawful for any player to call upon any other player, holding the ball in a maul, to put it down, when evidently unable to get away.
13. A Player, if he wishes to enter a maul, must do so onside.
14. No Player, out of a maul, may be held or pulled over, unless he himself is holding the ball.

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Postby Canalina » Wed, 02 Jan 2019, 14:56

Interesting, thanks. Anyway it seems that those rules don't clear a point: was it permitted to a player, in a maul, to stay ahead of his holding-ball teammate?
According to what someone wrote, before the 60s tour of the All Blacks a similar situation was considered off-side, here in Europe

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Postby Vova12 » Sat, 12 Jan 2019, 08:15

I Bought this statuette in Odessa, Ukraine.
Maybe someone can tell something about this thing?

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It is unlikely that this is only copy ...
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Postby Vova12 » Wed, 16 Jan 2019, 18:45

Football in Krasnoyarsk 1913 year.
Photo from book Fridtjof Nansen"Through Siberia: The Land of the Future". Stokes 1914

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This stadium "Krasny Yar". Is this not same place?

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Thu, 17 Jan 2019, 08:00

COULD BE albeit angle is different about by 90 degrees

RE-POST at rugbystat.forum24.ru/?0-0-0
cause will be LOST here

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 19 Jan 2019, 19:06

SINCE WHEN Italian rugby media post game sheet this traditional way ?

Roma, Caserma Stefano Gelsomini – Sabato 19 gennaio 2019

Continental Shield, VI Giornata

Fiamme Oro Rugby vs Kawasaki Robot Rugby Calvisano 10-33 (3-7)

Marcatori: p.t. 4’ cp Buscema (3-0), 30’ m. Casilio tr Pescetto (3-7);

s.t 50’ m. Bruno (3-12), 57’ m. Vunisa tr Pescetto (3-19), 70’ m. Venditti tr Pescetto (3-26), 76’ m. Biondelli tr Buscema (10-26), 81’ m. Bruno tr Chiesa (10-33)

Fiamme Oro Rugby: Biondelli; D’Onofrio G., Gabbianelli (54’ Seno), Forcucci, Cornelli (9’ Masato); Buscema (78’ Valsecchi), Parisotto; De Marchi, Favaro (cap) (64’ Cristiano), Bianchi; McCarthy (26’-30’ D’Onofrio U.), Fragnito (51’ D’Onofrio U.), Iacob (51’ Vannozzi), Moriconi (56’ Daniele), Iovenitti (57’ Iovenitti) All. Guidi

Kawasaki Robot Rugby Calvisano: Van Zyl; Bruno, De Santis, Mazza (65’ Lucchin), Susio; Pescetto (74’ Chiesa), Casilio (74’ Semenzato); Vunisa, Koffi, Archetti (72’ Martani); Van Vuren (56’ Venditti), Andreotti (cap); Leso (71’ Gavrilita) , Manfredi (24’-29’ Morelli, 68’ Luccardi), Fischetti (72’ Morelli) All. Brunello

Arb. Piardi (ITA) AA1 Liperini (ITA), AA2 Gnecchi (ITA) Quarto Uomo: Chirnoaga (ITA)

Cartellini: al 17’ giallo a Fischetti (Kawasaki Robot Rugby Calvisano), al 28’ giallo a De Marchi (Fiamme Oro Rugby)

Calciatori: Buscema (Fiamme Oro Rugby) 2/2, Pescetto (Kawasaki Robot Calvisano Rugby) 3/4

Note: Giornata nuvolosa e ventilata, con pioggia a tratti. Spettatori: circa 500. Osservato un minuto di silenzio per la scompasa della madre del coach cremisi Massimiliano Bizzozero

Punti conquistati in classifica: Fiamme Oro Rugby 0, Kawasaki Robot Rugby Calvisano 5

Man of the Match: Perre BRUNO (Kawasaki Robot Rugby Calvisano


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I wish to thank him ... cause it is much better than the entire UK + SANZAAR rubbish

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