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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 05 Nov 2016, 16:55

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Dear Romanian friends

Pls, re-post this picture somewhere on ROM sport | handball forum

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It is your national team which won Worlds in 1964, in Praha (CZE)

I got this shot from *founding father* of GEO handball, Isak Parlaga.shvili (b 1935)
who is back to his native country from Israel, to attend
GEO handball's 60th anniversary celebrations and
GEO v ITA pre-qualifer for EURO 2020 (24 teams for the first time!)

Full scan of archive he brought with him >> https://issuu.com/isak_parlagashvili

He told me that the left-most guy is Ioan Moser, top scorer of that comp

I have searched for his action shots but to no avail

I even did not see this team pic. Hence, decided to post it there
as handball is a distant relative of rugby

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Postby Canalina » Wed, 09 Nov 2016, 12:43

Very probable american football, but the posts have still two legs and the only team viewable is positioned almost like they are preparing for a scrum. The big villa in the background seems the White House. Year not specified. Copied (without permission) from http://www.delcampe.net

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 18 Nov 2016, 06:25

THEY are un-cur-able - same damned lies, albeit with new technologies

http://www.worldrugby.org/halloffame/timeline

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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 18 Nov 2016, 07:59

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:THEY are un-cur-able - same damned lies, albeit with new technologies

http://www.worldrugby.org/halloffame/timeline


Could you be more precise on what you mean exactly?
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 18 Nov 2016, 08:41

Web Ellis myth - that rugby stems from football, under which ALL non-english speakers mean SOCCER, not an old folk game

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Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 18 Nov 2016, 08:54

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:Web Ellis myth - that rugby stems from football, under which ALL non-english speakers mean SOCCER, not an old folk game


Fair enough, although I think it was worded worse before than "Rugby School pupil William Webb Ellis breaks with tradition and runs with the ball during a football match".
I was more curious why you used "lies" instead of lie ;-)

How would you describe this myth better?

My attempt: "Rugby School pupil William Webb Ellis breaks with tradition, runs with the ball and places it behind the goal-line instead of kicking it in the goal"
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 18 Nov 2016, 14:28

Did that happen at all?

All the evidence shows that
the whole episode was invented
by an old fart TOO LATELY to prove that rugby was
white-collar sport and did not belong to workers

Around 1870s and 1880s there already have been written
two separate rugby GOSPELS from people who had attended
rugby school and neither of them even mentioned
anything remotedly similar to *pick up and run with*
as this was the accepted practice in FOLK football
from the times immemorial, in too many countries

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Postby Canalina » Tue, 29 Nov 2016, 19:04

1922, England, Hospital Guys v Harlequins

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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby amz » Tue, 06 Dec 2016, 14:41

Romania 15 - 18 France, 1957, on old 23 August Stadium

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Some sources claim 90.000 - 100.000 attendance.
http://en.espn.co.uk/statsguru/rugby/match/19888.html

Scrum.com got wrong the name of the stadium.

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Postby Vova12 » Wed, 14 Dec 2016, 18:12

Forum dedicated to the collecting of football programs.

http://www.footballprogrammecentre.co.u ... hp?t=24697

I have registered and started on the topic of rugby programs in the USSR and Russia. 8-)
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Postby Canalina » Wed, 14 Dec 2016, 18:36

I tried to start my own memorabilia collection buying on ebay the french sticker of the former tongan national team player Viliami Vaki, who now lives in my city. I chose the normal post sending, not tracked, and of course the package never arrived :(

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Postby Vova12 » Wed, 14 Dec 2016, 19:10

Canalina wrote:I tried to start my own memorabilia collection buying on ebay the french sticker of the former tongan national team player Viliami Vaki, who now lives in my city. I chose the normal post sending, not tracked, and of course the package never arrived :(

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Try again. 8-)
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Postby victorsra » Wed, 14 Dec 2016, 20:06

Romania 15 - 18 France, 1957, on old 23 August Stadium

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Some sources claim 90.000 - 100.000 attendance.
http://en.espn.co.uk/statsguru/rugby/ma ... 19888.html

Scrum.com got wrong the name of the stadium.


If Romania hosts in the next few years France or any other T1 nation, could we expect what sort of crowd? Would it be possible to host it in Bucharest's main football stadium and have it pretty in the picture (more than half-full)?
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BTW, have you seen those nice stories about the history of the South American Championship Sudamérica Rugby recently published?

http://www.sudamericarugby.org/category/historia/
Brazilian Rugby News: www.portaldorugby.com.br

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Thu, 22 Dec 2016, 06:22

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1975 * OXFORD COMPANION to Sports & Games

photo&hand-copied bits FROM 1'143 page BOOK

by p in pdf: 4 Cricket, 11 AFL, 17 CFL, 18 GAA, 23 LEAGUE, 31 RUGBY, 61 Quotes, 79 Index

https://issuu.com/qaflan/docs/1975_oxford

BROWSE, DOWNLOAD, READ = ENJOY!

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 23 Dec 2016, 17:08

ANOTHER ITEM = 1987 RWC SOUVENIR

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ONLY B&W pages, containing diary, game sheets and quotes

https://issuu.com/qaflan/docs/1987_rwc-rw_p

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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby polter » Mon, 26 Dec 2016, 21:56

The Ukrainian rugby club "ARGO" based in Kyiv who dominated the national championship before Kharkov have started to post some full and almost full games of the Ukrainian national team against Poland, the Netherlands and Germany from the early 2000's on their youtube page. Also some old club games from the same era. A bit grainy in quality, but an interesting comparison of the game back then. New stuff seems to be coming on every day now, so watch this space...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn_IYm ... =0&sort=dd

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Postby Luka37 » Fri, 30 Dec 2016, 08:13

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... v95-iMGS6o

Interesting collections of video clips from former SFR Yugoslavia club games.
Some dates from 60s and 70s.

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 30 Dec 2016, 10:40

1947



Film from Georgian monthly news-reel of SOV times

Wed 17/09 @ Tbilisi, Georgia SSR, L.P.Beria "Dymano" Stadium * KO 15.40
Inter-city Tournament, Round 3 (last)
*Tbilisi selection* 0-45 *Burevestnik Moscow* (HT 0-24)

Game sheet >> courtesy of Vova12, from State archive (GARF)

Code: Select all
Inter-city 1947      W-L   F-A

Burevestnik Moscow   3-0  81- 0
Dymano Moscow        2-1  39- 6
*Oilers* Baku (AZR)  1-2  14-47
Tbilisi (GEO)        0-3   3-84

For those who can | are eager to google-translate Georgian:

http://ovaluri.comxa.com/2010/K1/28_SOV-SPORT_MTN.htm#1947
http://ovaluri.comxa.com/2010/KA/26_SOV-1947.htm

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BACKGROUND:

After yet another break-down in SOV rugby development after autumn 1939,
the game was revived in summer 1946 at four Moscow societies:
Dymano (police+security service), Burevestnik (buttlers), Spartak (trade unions), Lokomotiv (railways)

After competing both as League and for Cup during summer 1947,
top two Moscow teams traveled in autumn to Caucasus
to *teach locals and revive there interest in rugby*

This was followed by yet another, 25-month long HIATUS:

next *missionary trip* was organized to Kiev (UKR) in October 1949,
where local HANDBALL team beat both Dymano and Burevestnik at RUGBY

This peculiar result spelled the END to the Game in *Stalin Era*, which ended by 1953

The Game came back immediately after 1957 *Youth World Festival*, held in Moscow,
and since then it has being played continuously

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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 06 Jan 2017, 20:29

Really interesting finds.
The Handball team wins at rugby is hardly a surprise, when you consider, Handball was played 11 vs 11 on grass at that time and was probably more popular. Must have been a lot of players with good passing skills and a good routine with each othee. Handball is also as tough as rugby contactwise.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 07 Jan 2017, 09:14

SURE + one detail: prior to circa 1955 (it varies from country to country)
in FIELD HANDBALL there was no DRIBBLING =
running with the ball and bouncing at the same time

A player was ONLY allowed to make three steps and then pass the ball

Hence, HAND-BALLERS were adept it passing and running WITHOUT the ball

And once they got freedom of unlimited running with the ball,
they outplayed those OLD rugby players who had been out of form for 25 month

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Postby Canalina » Wed, 08 Feb 2017, 09:20

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A scrum in a german stalag for western POW, circa 1943
It was so surprising to me, then I read some infos about (I'm a bit ignorant) and I discovered that the life for "allied" POW was very hard (4% mortality) but way way better than the life in stalags for soviet prisoners, where the mortality was 57% according to the historians. This was the stalag 383 and the interns had the chance to play sport and even theatre

Link to the whole gallery of the stalag 383 in our facebook page https://www.facebook.com/16370306898725 ... =3&theater

Not even to say but I've found that photo via the usual wonderful collector "Rugby Pioneers"
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Postby Thomas » Wed, 08 Feb 2017, 11:28

There is another photo from the Stalag if you click on the link below and the caption says Welsh Rugby Club

https://www.flickr.com/photos/raine9471 ... 398340002/

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Postby Canalina » Sun, 19 Feb 2017, 21:43

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Rugby in Alexandria, Egypt, 1942
It'astonishing the amount of spectators, but enlarging the image you have the suspect that they are mostly soldiers

From a today's facebook post by Arab Rugby
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Postby Vova12 » Fri, 24 Feb 2017, 21:08

Bought in South Africa jersey the Russian team for the tour of South Africa 1994!
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