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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby Canalina » Thu, 14 Dec 2017, 06:33

Thanks Gambass. Just no written rules at all, for no one of the various versions of the game?
I fancied to replay with friends a game according to the then-a-days rules, with heavy ball, without the permission of running with it and without tries.

Jumping one century forward... I've seen casually on the net this 1934 poster of the Catalunya v Italy match, ended 5-5. On the side the report of the game, from the historical on line archive of newspaper "La Stampa" from Turin. "Twenty thousands spectators"!

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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby gambass » Thu, 14 Dec 2017, 09:52

Canalina wrote:Thanks Gambass. Just no written rules at all, for no one of the various versions of the game?
I fancied to replay with friends a game according to the then-a-days rules, with heavy ball, without the permission of running with it and without tries.


You can find some written rules here and there (like the interdiction of ball handling per exemple), but I d'ont think, you could find a full comprehensive set of rules. And in any case, it will be only valid for one school.

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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby Canalina » Wed, 27 Dec 2017, 07:45

A list of East Germany test match results
http://www.sport-record.de/rugby_union/ ... sv-nm.html

The prologue adverts that...
The listing of the rugby international matches of the GDR proves to be difficult for several reasons:
- the DRSV had no association newspaper, the reporting in the newspapers was low,
- Following the 1969 DTSB competitive sports decision, rugby, like other non-medal sports at the Olympics, was no longer promoted and international sports traffic was restricted, so rugby was barely taking place in the media,
- After 1969, the opponents of the DRSV selection were often not the national teams of each country, so these games do not count as an international match.
This list is aligned with the following rugby associations: DEN, NED, ROU, SRB (for YUG) and SWE. The matches against POL were compared with the book "Encyclopedia polskiego rugby" by Maciej Powała-Niedźwiecki and Jacek Wierzbicki, the matches against TCH with the books "60 Let Československého Ragby" and "75 Let Českého Ragby" by Petr Skála.
Special thanks go to Vesso Stoyanov from the Bulgarian rugby association, who provided data on the tournaments and games in Bulgaria.

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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby Canalina » Mon, 15 Jan 2018, 22:07

In some XIX century rugby photos, like the one below from 1893, you may see a player collocated a bit far from the other, under his posts, acting like a goalkeeper.
It seems a collocation a bit pointless if the opponents can score also kicking above the bar or running into the try-area on the side of the posts, but that position would have a sense if the opponents may run into a try only between the posts, like in soccer.
Do you know if during a period of the rugby history there was the obligation to score a try just through the posts?

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Postby Vova12 » Tue, 06 Feb 2018, 10:53

I bought in New Zealand!
Excellent book!

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Postby NedRugby » Tue, 06 Feb 2018, 22:07

Wow! Nice find!

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Postby Vova12 » Sat, 10 Feb 2018, 18:33

I bought a game shirt for the Russian team of the 90s ...
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Postby Canalina » Mon, 26 Mar 2018, 19:10

Searching old rugby videos I found this: december 1972, Spain v Poland 3-0 in Madrid
Maybe you have already brought it to light on spanish thread

http://www.rtve.es/filmoteca/no-do/not-1563/1470176/

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Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Thu, 12 Apr 2018, 10:03

The Serbian "National" rugby team, April 1918 when they played in Edinburgh. The team was formed of youngsters from Serbia, then a Kingdom under foreign occupation, who were secretly sent to George Heriots School in Edinburgh via Albania and Greece in 1916 for recuperation (many youngsters fought in the liberation army ) and education. It seems they took to rugby quite well and quickly. Apparently 10 000 people watched them in what appears to have been a 7s tournament beat a multinational schools selection 8 - 3.

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Read more ( Serbian language only ) at http://sportklub.rs/Ragbi/a236578-Prvi- ... odina.html


English: https://www.george-heriots.com/former-p ... e-far-away
The former pupils: https://www.george-heriots.com/former-p ... -herioters

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Postby Canalina » Fri, 13 Apr 2018, 07:54

"Kiwis rugby team practice at Hyde Park, 1946": a photography for some reason conserved by my city's public library

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Postby Canalina » Thu, 19 Apr 2018, 10:53

From an italian historical video archive, some shots from a 1931 match in Paris with a team from Heidelberg. Just look the first twenty seconds of action: I think there would have been three red cards if it was in our time :geek: :)


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Postby gambass » Thu, 19 Apr 2018, 11:21

Fantastic stuff. Rugby de muerte (no translation needed I guess) as it was called back then.

At 1.27' I believe I hear "hé enculé là l'arbitre" (no translation needed there also :D )

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Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 19 Apr 2018, 11:49

Canalina wrote:From an italian historical video archive, some shots from a 1931 match in Paris with a team from Heidelberg. Just look the first twenty seconds of action: I think there would have been three red cards if it was in our time :geek: :)


Great find.
My first guess was that the team in darker shirts should be RG Heidelberg, as they don't use any stripes in opposite to SC Neuenheim and Heidelberger RK. But I could be wrong.
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Postby gambass » Thu, 19 Apr 2018, 12:15

Considering the reaction of the crowd, there is no chanche that the white shirts is not the home team :lol:

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Postby gambass » Thu, 19 Apr 2018, 12:27

Speaking of old stuff: The amateurism rules set by the FFR in 1922:

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- No compensassion for missing time
- No non 'reasonable" travel fees (is my sandwich reasonable enough ? :? )
- No financial gains
- No non-financial gains (no Bayona ham for you :( )
- No jobs, nor "situations" that could be gained by your rugby skills (good luck with that)
- No non rugby jobs within the club (as a coach for instance)

They did try to inforce them (well some of them did try), but it failed miserabily which led to the British leaving (1931), the birth of RL (1934), and ultimately to the end of the club championship (1939, as to reunite with the British).

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Postby toulousain » Thu, 19 Apr 2018, 15:13

gambass wrote:Fantastic stuff. Rugby de muerte (no translation needed I guess) as it was called back then.

At 1.27' I believe I hear "hé enculé là l'arbitre" (no translation needed there also :D )


I hear "hors-jeu" (offside)

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Postby amz » Fri, 04 May 2018, 06:45

Retro Rugby Romania is a new youtube channel which aim to put online videos of the matches played by Oaks or other Romanian rugby teams.

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This is played in Braila where it was not any rugby team back than in first division if I remember well (at least I couldn't find any).



@iul, could you please fix whatever isn't working when posting videos from youtube? Sometimes works, sometimes don't , I am trying to guess each time what's the link to post it. Thanks.
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Postby Canalina » Fri, 04 May 2018, 06:55

Amz, you must cancel "&t=4s" at the tail of your link (that 'code' means: "the video starts at 0'04" of its length"), so it should work

This is the article of "La Stampa", a newspaper based in Turin, about that match. An article quite justificatory: "the causes of the loss are the referee Short, which permitted the romanian fists that knocked down our players, and two forced substitutions due to injuries". Italian points were all scored by flyhalf Stefano Bettarello: one try, one penalty, one conversion. Was that Stoica related to Christian Stoica, which played for Italy twenty years later?
Thanks for the channel, well done!
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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby amz » Fri, 04 May 2018, 07:05

Thank you Canalina! On my forum I have a small option that takes all media automatically (twitter, Facebook, youtube) and it's the same software, maybe we can have the same here.

As far as I know there isn't any connection between Alessandro Stoica and Enciu Stoica, the player from this team:
http://en.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/player/8124.html

Damn Scottish ref....must be Romanian mafia again

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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 04 May 2018, 08:28

Enciu Stoica LATER became international REF
Officiated GEO-CRO 12/10 1997

Also served as ROM team manager in early 2000s
Was killed in traffic accident

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Postby RugbyPUBtbilisi » Fri, 04 May 2018, 08:33

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:Was killed in traffic accident

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Killed? or Dead?

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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby amz » Fri, 04 May 2018, 08:44

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:Enciu Stoica LATER became international REF
Officiated GEO-CRO 12/10 1997

Also served as ROM team manager in early 2000s
Was killed in traffic accident

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This article from 2003 says he died due to gastric cancer:
https://www.libertatea.ro/sport/a-deced ... oica-75433

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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 04 May 2018, 08:51

I wrote what ROM friends had told me at the time

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Postby Bogdan_DC » Fri, 04 May 2018, 11:18

Canalina wrote:Image

I guess is one mistake in the line up in the second row, is Dumitru not Gheorghe (this is his first name).

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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby Bogdan_DC » Fri, 04 May 2018, 11:25

amz wrote:
FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:Enciu Stoica LATER became international REF
Officiated GEO-CRO 12/10 1997

Also served as ROM team manager in early 2000s
Was killed in traffic accident

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This article from 2003 says he died due to gastric cancer:
https://www.libertatea.ro/sport/a-deced ... oica-75433


Enciu Stoica died because of a gastric cancer.

@FR Maybe you confuse him with one of the Marian Aldea or Gheorghe Hustiu who both died in car accidents.

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