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Re: OLD STUFF - rarities

Postby Canalina » Thu, 02 May 2019, 20:24

1977, the "black" year of italian rugby. Between March and May the "Azzurri" lost in Casablanca against Morocco (10-9) and were trashed in Bucarest by Romania (69-0, that would be 81-0 nowadays with the new points system).
What happened?
The welsh coach of the italian national team, Roy Bish, went "to the mattresses" against the president of the italian federation, Martone. Bish menaced to dismiss and the players were on his side. Martone was re-elected and Bish immediately kept his promise quitting the role. The two games versus Morocco and Romania were played two weeks before and five weeks after the leave of Roy Bish, with an heavy atmosphere between the players.
This surely may explain, at least in part, those two unusual knocks-out.
Romania won the Europe Cup that year, in front of France, Spain, Italy, Poland and Morocco.
Soviet Union finished just second in pool B.

We remembered those events in this facebook post, but it's all in italian language
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?s ... 0689872550

1977 Europe Cup on wikipedia
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophée_européen_FIRA_de_rugby_à_XV_1976-1977

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Postby Luka37 » Fri, 03 May 2019, 09:08

http://www.digitalna.nb.rs/wb/NBS/novin ... 2/mode/1up

On page 13 two photos from the first rugby game played in Serbian capital Belgrade, on June 12, 1921.
Two domestic teams played against each other as soccer curtain raiser game.

Two years later this team played two games against crew of British Naval ship "Glow worm" and mixed international side.

The founders of rugby clubs in Serbia were students whos spent WW1 in Scotland, Engalnd and France.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/163 ... ugby-home/

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Postby STMKY » Fri, 03 May 2019, 10:09

The first release of the Krasnoyarsk TV program about rugby 15x15. Young coach of STM Alexander Pervukhin and Krasny Yar star Yuri Nikolaev, fragments from the match Russia v Italy in Krasnoyarsk. This is 1998.

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Postby Canalina » Mon, 13 May 2019, 10:40

Moroccan championship 1920 final, in Rabat. From fb page "Rugby au Maroc"

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Postby Canalina » Mon, 13 May 2019, 20:20

The Twickenham Rugby Museum twitter page is a cave of rugby jewels. Look at "the oldest known photograph of rugby", for example (post of April 29)

https://twitter.com/wrugbymuseum

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Postby Canalina » Tue, 14 May 2019, 12:54

The 1860 photo mentioned above, "the oldest rugby photo known".
By the way, someone few years ago discovered a 1851 photo (reported on this thread some pages above) maybe/probably representing as well two teams of rugby, standing before the game; but evidently the Rugby Museum doesn't consider that one a rugby photo with certainty.

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Postby argie » Mon, 20 May 2019, 01:15

The team of the Rosario Athletic Club of 1884, the oldest photo of a rugby team in Argentina.

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Postby Vova12 » Sat, 13 Jul 2019, 15:33

Bought these mugs. I really liked them.

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Postby Vova12 » Sat, 13 Jul 2019, 15:40

I have a collection of rugby beer mugs.

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The only condition is that they are not made in China ..
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Postby Vova12 » Sat, 13 Jul 2019, 15:45

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Postby Canalina » Tue, 16 Jul 2019, 16:41

A near past: the Italian team silver medal in the Euro 7s Championship 2004. It remains the best ever result for our 7s team. I'm not sure but I think to recognize Mirco Bergamasco under a straw hat

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Our article about: http://www.rugby.it/news/2019/07/16/qui ... y-a-sette/

PS: thanks to the person or persons redacting the wikipedia rugby pages in Polish. They are often the most detailed ones and I was able to recover that photo and some news from the obscure meanders of the web just thanks to them
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Postby Canalina » Tue, 16 Jul 2019, 16:44

Definitively a more far past: two sketches behind a St.George Football dinner gala menu, year 1894.
Good drawing skills, I like it!
It's currently on eBay with the price of 75 pound + expedition expenses

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https://www.ebay.it/itm/1894-Scottish-E ... 3558363357

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Postby Vova12 » Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 15:57

New arrival! 8-)

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Postby grande » Fri, 26 Jul 2019, 14:06

I had never heard of that tour, so I looked it up. Strange one, they were there for nearly a month and played only two games, neither of them tests.

1962-11-17: Barbarians 3-3 Canada
1962-12-01: Wales U23 8-0 Canada

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Postby Vova12 » Fri, 26 Jul 2019, 14:33

http://www.barbarianfc.co.uk/results-fi ... 1962-1963/

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I thought it was British Lions! Confused with the 1966 tour. But Barbarians are not bad either. 8-)
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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 26 Jul 2019, 15:26

So when BC beat LIO ?

I've dubbed that episode in GEO around 2005
doing TOTAL RUGBY, IRB weekly TV show for 1TV

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Postby Vova12 » Fri, 26 Jul 2019, 15:31

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:So when BC beat LIO ?

I've dubbed that episode in GEO around 2005
doing TOTAL RUGBY, IRB weekly TV show for 1TV

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Excellent match program by the way!
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Postby Vova12 » Fri, 26 Jul 2019, 15:38

Russia vs Barbarians - Moscow 1992 27:23



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Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 26 Jul 2019, 16:19

Excellent MAGAZINE -- no way MATCH-DAY PROGRAM
As in many cases -- SINGLE issue and KAPUT | PIZDEC

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Postby Canalina » Sat, 27 Jul 2019, 04:56

Rugby in 1890 circa, from https://mapire.eu/
You may see the big field of The Close in the middle of the image, where there's the caption Rugby Sch.
According to wikipedia the town had around 14,000 inhabitants at the time of this map, while in 1823 they were around 2,200. So we may think that at the age of the supposed W.W.Ellis run the College field was surrounded by few houses and many open fields. This may explain why it was called The Close: because it was a field like all the ones around, but closed by walls. Or maybe the name has a completely different origin, I don't know... According to a Warwickshire history's web page, the Close was transformed in a field for students pleasure just ten years circa before W.W.Ellis run, in 1810/15
https://www.ourwarwickshire.org.uk/cont ... lose-rugby
The town grew rapidly after 1839 thanks to all those railways we see in the map; as railways junction, Rugby attired affairs and workers

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Postby Vova12 » Sun, 28 Jul 2019, 08:14

Anyone interested in history of rugby can find a lot of interesting things here.

http://www.rugby-memorabilia.co.uk/

I a member of this organization from Russia ..
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Postby Canalina » Fri, 09 Aug 2019, 12:15

According to The Times a researcher has found an engraving of the first test match ever played, in Raeburn Place, 1871.
I'm not a Times subscriber so I can't read all the article and discover if this is certainly an image of the first test match or if it is just a possible one.
Anyway, do you think this engraving is realized starting by a photo (it would have much more meaning as a testimony) or it is just the transposition of the memory of the artist? (hoping that the artist was really at the match...)
To me, it's not an engraving taken by a photo; but I may be wrong

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/luck ... -9wl52g8ln

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Postby NedRugby » Fri, 09 Aug 2019, 15:04

According to the article
Andy Mitchell spotted the engraving of the match, which took place at Raeburn Place in Edinburgh, in a print dealer’s catalogue and immediately realised its significance. It was published in a short-lived publication, The Illustrated Newspaper, four weeks after the match and signed “J McL R”, indicating that it was by John McLaren Ralston, a Glaswegian artist whose later work was admired by Vincent van Gogh.

Don't know if this helps.

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Postby Canalina » Fri, 09 Aug 2019, 16:13

Thanks Ned (how are Rod and Tod? All fine?). It could help, I will try some google search about this McLaren Ralston

I report (reduced) the engraving here, very fascinating to me. People of other ages seem like strange intriguing martians to me, even if maybe they were very similar to us

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Postby Edgar » Sat, 17 Aug 2019, 22:03

Results of the Soviet Union's tour to Australia in 1990, which I mentioned in my earlier post:

10-Mar-1990 Queensland Country 21-22 Soviet Union [at Townsville]
14-Mar-1990 North Queensland 10-25 Soviet Union [at Cairns]
18-Mar-1990 Queensland B 40-17 Soviet Union [at Brisbane]
21-Mar-1990 Canberra Kookaburras 44- 6 Soviet Union [at Canberra]
25-Mar-1990 Queensland 26-10 Soviet Union [at Brisbane]
28-Mar-1990 Sydney 35- 4 Soviet Union [at Sydney

* John Eales played for Queensland B. The tourists were terribly sunburned on that occasion, having ignored local advice to slap on some sunscreen! It was after one of the final games that I recall a complaint by an Australian TV viewer to the Soviet management leading to disciplinary action against 2 of the touring players.

Results of the Western Samoan tour of Eastern Europe in 1989:

Germany North West 0 - 118 W
Germany 9 - 54 W
Belgium B 12 - 38 W
Belgium 8 - 37 W
Romania B 15 - 10 L
Romania 32 - 24 L
Soviet Union 31 - 15 L

* I interviewed Lolani Koko upon his return from this tour. A converted Samoan lock and Commonwealth Games sprinter, Koko (1.91m) was an early Lomu prototype on the wing, combining sheer speed with frightening power and aggression. He was offered an All Blacks trial after just a handful of games for Wellington in the South Pacific Series, but declined the invitation and represented Samoa instead (while helping Wellington win the NPC). He also toured SA with the Pacific Baabaas, scoring two tries in the 0-2 series loss. Amazingly he was working in a shoe factory at the time, and unsurprisingly joined the exodus to league, playing for the Roosters in NRL and Samoa at national level. I believe he had also represented his homeland at soccer in his youth, meaning he played for Samoa in 3 different football codes! One of the finest physical specimens I ever saw in rugby but sadly not looked after at the time.

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