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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Graf_von_Tirol » Fri, 16 Feb 2018, 04:37

To go along with the topic of bids, I think rather than expand the current one to 14, have a separate 5-stop B series, one tournament on each continental zone. Perhaps:

Africa: Nairobi/Monastir/Casablanca
Oceania: Tough call. I'd say Suva but I'm sure they'd rather hold an A tournament. Not to mention the Australia/New Zealand niche has been accounted for
Americas: Punta del Este
Asia: Hong Kong, alongside the A teams
Europe: That's what I'd likely consider for Munich, though it makes sense for them to have it in October

Winner of that series gets promoted, a relegated team from the A series goes here. Perhaps hold a relegation tournament for the bottom four teams of that series with eight or twelves other teams from the six confederations, the top four from there competing in the next year's B series.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby NaBUru38 » Sat, 17 Feb 2018, 17:40

I'm not sure than having a permanent roster of B teams will work.

I'd like Spain and Italy to come to Punta del Este, rather than Germany and Ireland.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby NaBUru38 » Wed, 28 Feb 2018, 16:32

The 2018 USA Sevens will be played this weekend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_USA_Sevens

Group A: Fiji, Kenya, France, Russia.
Group B: South Africa, England, Wales, Canada.
Group C: Australia, United States, Samoa, Spain.
Group D: New Zealand, Argentina, Scotland, Uruguay :)

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby victorsra » Wed, 28 Feb 2018, 20:25

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Uruguayan with two squads in action: one playing for the Americas Rugby Championship title in rugby 15s and the other playing the Las Vegas Sevens. Here you are their 7s squad.

(and some Russians say Russia, a 7s core team, needs their 7s players in the 15s team...I haven't seen Uruguayan complaining!)
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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby NaBUru38 » Sat, 03 Mar 2018, 15:04

In Group C, United States defeated Australia 28-7.

In Group D, Argentina defeated New Zealand 26-19, and Uruguay lost to New Zealand 28-7 (not bad) and to Scotland 40-14 (quite bad).

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby 4N » Sat, 03 Mar 2018, 15:05

Uruguay actually played alright against Scotland, it was close until the last few minutes when they leaked a bunch of tries.

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Postby NaBUru38 » Sun, 04 Mar 2018, 00:21

In the halftime of Russia-Scotland, a streaker got in the field...

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Postby Canalina » Sun, 04 Mar 2018, 22:28

The final in Vegas is USA v Argentina !
Finally something new and not the usual South Africa v Australia or Saf v Nze. Eliminated in the semifinals Fiji and South Africa.
The match is at 1.30 CET, id est two hours by now

NaBUru38 wrote:In the halftime of Russia-Scotland, a streaker got in the field...

He was clearly protesting against the winter calendar which damages russian rugby!

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby NaBUru38 » Sun, 04 Mar 2018, 22:51

I have another idea to expand the World Series.

Core teams would be expanded to 18 teams, and each tournament would have two wildcard teams.
16 teams would play the main draw, and 4 teams would play the access pool.

The access pool would be played as a round robin (6 matches).
The top two teams in the access pool would play the two losers of the Shield semifinals (2 matches).

The two winners would qualify to next tournament's main draw, and the two losers would play the access pool.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Working Class Rugger » Sun, 04 Mar 2018, 23:20

Graf_von_Tirol wrote:To go along with the topic of bids, I think rather than expand the current one to 14, have a separate 5-stop B series, one tournament on each continental zone. Perhaps:

Africa: Nairobi/Monastir/Casablanca
Oceania: Tough call. I'd say Suva but I'm sure they'd rather hold an A tournament. Not to mention the Australia/New Zealand niche has been accounted for
Americas: Punta del Este
Asia: Hong Kong, alongside the A teams
Europe: That's what I'd likely consider for Munich, though it makes sense for them to have it in October

Winner of that series gets promoted, a relegated team from the A series goes here. Perhaps hold a relegation tournament for the bottom four teams of that series with eight or twelves other teams from the six confederations, the top four from there competing in the next year's B series.


I'm more a fan of expanding the current set ups that are currently in place. In Europe we have the Grand Prix Series, in Asia the Asian 7s Circuit etc. Look to grow their business plans and participation bases. Keep the WS at 16 teams and look to initially build 4 regional circuits. Each regional circuit would initially feature 8 teams over 6 stops.

I would call it the World League. So you would have WL-Europe, WL-Africa, WL-Americas and WL-Asia/Pacific(including Oceania). So a simple two pools of 4 teams over two days.

Whichever team finishing top of the log at the end of the series go through to the qualifiers in Hong Kong.

This would provide WR with a pretty solid 48 teams participating in regular competition. It would also allow many more nations to leverage Olympic funding in order to introduce greater levels of development and professionalism.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby victorsra » Sun, 04 Mar 2018, 23:48

I really think the Series need to rethink its calendar and avoid clashes with major XVs events.... a bit bizarre the USA leg being played when the focus in North American should be the ARC. Delay in 1 weekend this and it would have been better... but it would only be perfect after the 6N....

In a 10-rounds series, it would be much better:

- December - 2 rounds
- January - 2 rounds
- Late March - 2 rounds
- April - 2 rounds
- May - 2 rounds (from 2020 May won't have European club rugby finals)

And maybe a Final Series tournament in July (to make the disputes more interesting for positions during the season), warming up for the Olympics/RWC 7s... something smaller and intense, 6-8 teams, Sunday-only (not during Saturday tests)....
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Postby cien_almas » Mon, 05 Mar 2018, 04:09

Congrats to the USA 7s for winning and Argentina for making the final. 7s is a weird sport but it's a real accomplishment to win even one of these tournaments. Danny Barrett and Perry Baker played fantastic.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 05 Mar 2018, 16:27

Uruguay results:

New Zealand 28 - 7 Uruguay
Scotland 40 - 14 Uruguay
Argentina 31 - 0 Uruguay
France 40 - 7 Uruguay
Samoa 26 - 12 Uruguay

We are very inferior in fitness. We performed worse in second halfs and in later matches.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 05 Mar 2018, 16:41

The 2018 Canada Sevens will be played next weekend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Canada_Sevens

Group A: Australia, United States, Canada, Uruguay :)
Group B: Argentina, England, Wales, Samoa.
Group C: Fiji, Kenya, France, Spain.
Group D: New Zealand, South Africa, Scotland, Russia.

Uruguay-Canada will be competitive, I hope.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby YamahaKiwi » Tue, 06 Mar 2018, 16:17

victorsra wrote:I really think the Series need to rethink its calendar and avoid clashes with major XVs events.... a bit bizarre the USA leg being played when the focus in North American should be the ARC. Delay in 1 weekend this and it would have been better... but it would only be perfect after the 6N....

In a 10-rounds series, it would be much better:

- December - 2 rounds
- January - 2 rounds
- Late March - 2 rounds
- April - 2 rounds
- May - 2 rounds (from 2020 May won't have European club rugby finals)

And maybe a Final Series tournament in July (to make the disputes more interesting for positions during the season), warming up for the Olympics/RWC 7s... something smaller and intense, 6-8 teams, Sunday-only (not during Saturday tests)....


I maybe wrong but I'm sure next weekend in Vegas there is the Pac 12 University tournament which I suspect is a pretty big event and would've overshadowed the rugby. Having said that last weekend you had Nascar and UFC as well as an NHL game on friday night. I guess they could've changed the US leg to 2 weeks later after Vancouver.

fab effort from the States. Really enjoyed watching their games. baker's first try in the semi v Fiji was one Serevi would've been proud of. Infact it was a classic Fiji style try with the stop and faint down the sideline in confined space. I don't think I've ever seen it done to themselves! Also reminded of Christian Cullen's all time great try in the same kind of situation v Fiji in a HKG7s final in the mid 90s. Congrats to the USA team and its supporters.

And wow! have we ever had such a dogfight of a series?!! 5 legs, 5 winners! Even RSA who are leading the SWS look less than unbeatable despite still being a formidable team.

Brickbat - the absolute non coverage (online anyway) of the major local Vegas newspapers. Nascar, ice hockey, Mountain west conference basketball, and UFC fighting yes, but apparently your home country rugby team winning a world series event just doesn't cut it. Disgraceful!!! [EDIT: The Review-Journal has one article that must've gone up online late. The Sun still has absolutely nothing]

One thing I did see in the local news was the new NFL Raiders Stadium (60K capacity) has been approved. Hopefully it will be big enough for the the 7s and even big XVs games. I think the Raiders are supposed to move from Oakland to Vegas in 2020 if I got my facts right so I guess the aim is to complete the stadium by sometime that year.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby IanCleverly » Tue, 06 Mar 2018, 18:45

Amongst all this activity, perhaps the most notable development of new FISU sport events is the 2018 launch of the University World Cup Football. This year, qualifying tournaments in Europe, Asia-Oceania, the Americas and Africa will determine the 16 male and 8 female teams that will progress to the FISU University World Cup Football finals in Jinjiang, China in 2019. Following the success of the World University League and the University World Cup Football developments, in April FISU is meeting with World Rugby to take the conceptual development of a four-day Rugby Sevens tournament that would be similar to these two events.

http://www.fisu.net/news/conference/fut ... e-meetings

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Coloradoan » Tue, 06 Mar 2018, 19:08

There are actually 4 college basketball tournaments over the next week in Vegas, but I doubt they bring in more than 15k people combined over the course of the week. The following weekend is the start of March Madness and probably brings in twice that just to gamble on the tournament. The lines at the sports books are supposed to be insane.

Attendance was down a little bit this year. Goff is claiming it's because of the RWC 7s siphoning off some people, although I'm not sure how much of an impact that has. I'm pretty confident attendance should improve when the event moves to the Raiders Stadium. Everything about that event will be better. It won't be so cold once the sun goes down, there won't be crazy wind because it's an indoor stadium and most importantly it's going to be very convenient to get to from the Strip. Sam Boyd is so far out of town that it's a real pain to go back and forth. Not sure where or how they'll be able to do the fan festival area, but I'm sure they'll figure it out.

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Postby YamahaKiwi » Tue, 06 Mar 2018, 23:00

Yeah, I might be tempted to head to Vegas (and Vancouver) with a new stadium and being much closer to the strip. Gotta be a better experience than current stadium. The only thing is I haven't seen confirmation the pitch will be big enough for other football codes. All I saw is an opinion piece in one of the local papers saying the stadium needs to be as user friendly as possible because even with combined Raiders & UNLV Rebels games it will take a whole lot more events to help pay it off - that's where the writer mentioned the 7s.

Coming from a city where the main stadium has prescriptive yearly use limitations that greatly hampers the stadium from paying its way, I completely get what this writer is on about. Auckland is still paying the price for making a bad decision about the main Auckland 2011 RWC stadium as I knew it would.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Coloradoan » Tue, 06 Mar 2018, 23:25

I think it's pretty certain the pitch will be able to accommodate rugby. Most large stadiums in the US are built with that in mind nowadays. Even in a worst case scenario where the pitch was only built 68m wide for soccer, that would still be a wider pitch than they currently have at Sam Boyd, which requires special dispensation from World Rugby to use that narrow of a pitch. But I'm pretty confident it will be able to accommodate a proper rugby pitch. The event is big enough on the radar of local officials and local residents that it wouldn't be overlooked. Also, Sam Boyd won't be upkept as a stadium going forward. It's either gonna get demolished or turned into the Raiders practice facility.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby YamahaKiwi » Wed, 07 Mar 2018, 00:13

Ok good to hear. At 60K and in a world famous destination it has future XVs international games written all over it. I'm sure many ABs fans would be very interested at the thought of an ABs game there, and I'm sure Eagles fans would think likewise for possible Eagles games :D

Btw after the shooting last year, anyone know what security was like for the event this year? Was there a change to a higher security presence?

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Postby Coloradoan » Wed, 07 Mar 2018, 00:41

Didn't notice any change in security at the event or in Vegas more generally. There is only so much you can do to prevent that type of situation. I don't think there's anything particularly unique in terms of attack vectors for a terrorist about the actual rugby event or Sam Boyd. Same as any other sporting event in the US really. And then in the hotel-casinos you already have crazy high security everywhere. I'd imagine they'll refine their practices somewhat for outdoor concerts near the Strip, but probably more of the unseen variety.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby thatrugbyguy » Wed, 07 Mar 2018, 13:27

Didn’t they increase the width of Sam Boyd to fit rugby dimensions?

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Coloradoan » Wed, 07 Mar 2018, 21:03

thatrugbyguy wrote:Didn’t they increase the width of Sam Boyd to fit rugby dimensions?


They increased the width but it's still pretty narrow. This is from 2015 about the dimensions change:

Meanwhile, Las Vegas Events and UNLV are making an investment in Sam Boyd Stadium. The dugouts on the side of the field will be ground to dust and the field, now at about 59 meters wide, will be widened to a more acceptable 63-64 meters. Currently, USA Rugby has an official waiver from World Rugby that allows the governing body to host test matches on fields 10% narrower than the accepted 70 meters. That means that a 63-meter Sam Boyd field would finally be in compliance.


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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby NaBUru38 » Sat, 10 Mar 2018, 14:57

The 2018 Canada Sevens is about to start.

¡Vamos Teros!

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Deadtigers » Sat, 10 Mar 2018, 18:00

The Kiwis and English still complain about the width but WR gives the USA a pass because it is chance to break into the US market.

That Perry Baker try against Fiji was the greatest try ever and performance by a "speedster" in a 7s game.

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