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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Armchair Fan » Fri, 25 Jan 2019, 23:43

We've probably made the grossest mistake of the season so far in World Series. Amazing.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby mulu » Sat, 26 Jan 2019, 06:31

victorsra wrote:Dudes, we are saying different things...

I am saying that England, Wales and Scotland teams should be replaced by an unified GB team in the World Series.

You are talking about who would qualify GB, if England, Wales or Scotland.


fair enough. and of course I agree with you.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Canalina » Sat, 26 Jan 2019, 11:27

New Zealand-Australia
Fiji-Canada
Usa-Scotland
South Africa-Samoa

are the main quarterfinals in Hamilton
The only european team qualified, Scotland, is not part of the Olympic Qualifying. Not good for Italy and the other european minor teams

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 26 Jan 2019, 12:28

From my perspective either:

GB should not be in the Olympics

OR

GB should play on the World Series.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby 4N » Sat, 26 Jan 2019, 16:31

Given how England are playing, GB on the circuit would probably be a welcome replacement.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby victorsra » Sat, 26 Jan 2019, 19:45

GB should not be in the Olympics


You mean GB give up? Why would they do that?

Or you mean England, Wales and Scotland be in the Olympics? They are not countries for the IOC, they can't.
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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby sk 88 » Sat, 26 Jan 2019, 22:38

victorsra wrote:
GB should not be in the Olympics


You mean GB give up? Why would they do that?

Or you mean England, Wales and Scotland be in the Olympics? They are not countries for the IOC, they can't.


As I say, either we compete as England, Wales and Scotland (no Olympics) or we compete as GB full time.

It's fundamentally unfair to be able to be three separate teams when we fancy and one combined team when we must. Especially when the world wide qualifying system has to be bent to fit our unusual system.

I don't really mind which approach is taken but its clearly unfair for this "as we like it" approach to continue.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby victorsra » Sun, 27 Jan 2019, 00:21

I understood. But I don't see why GB would give up from the Olympics, which means for me the only solution is a permanent Team GB in the World Series, as I agree with you about how unfair it is.
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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby grande » Sun, 27 Jan 2019, 02:14

I wonder if they could play as GB only during qualification years, or something like that?

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby victorsra » Sun, 27 Jan 2019, 11:01

You would create a problem with promotion/relegation.
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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby sk 88 » Sun, 27 Jan 2019, 11:23

Anyway, the NZ round is on at a really bad time for me so I didn't see any of it. I see USA got to the final again, they seem like serious contenders for the overall crown. Might not make as much US press buzz as a Olympics gold but I think it would be a bigger achievement.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Coloradoan » Sun, 27 Jan 2019, 16:01

sk 88 wrote:Anyway, the NZ round is on at a really bad time for me so I didn't see any of it. I see USA got to the final again, they seem like serious contenders for the overall crown. Might not make as much US press buzz as a Olympics gold but I think it would be a bigger achievement.


Absolutely. You can get lucky or have an anomalous performance over a single tournament but you can't do that for ten tournaments. They got pounded in the final by a really good Fiji team, but to even make it there without Baker is a huge step forward for this team.
Past tournaments where Baker got injured did not go well. Canadian 7s fans must be happy with the US too. A top 4 finish on the series this year would give them a nearly guaranteed spot in the Olympics as the North American qualifier.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby victorsra » Sun, 27 Jan 2019, 17:53

The Series situation now is concerning for the Europeans. If none is able to be in the Top 4 there would be a strong possiblity of having maximum 2 and potentialy only 1 European in the Olympics, because France, Spain, Ireland would struggle in a Repechage against Australia or Samoa (whoever is Oceania's 4th). In the other hand, as Japan in the host country, Asia will have another spot in the Olympics.

Also, if Wales is relegated, maybe a permanent GB team gains force.
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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 28 Jan 2019, 07:14

JPN is a host RWC 2019
but Asia have not given assured second spot in 20-team field

So, it's highly unlikely that WR will allocate it among 12 teams for Olympics

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby vino_93 » Mon, 28 Jan 2019, 07:27

It's already validated.
Olympics is not exactly a WR tournament : there are rules more stricter for the nations involved. It has to be worldwide, whatever the level of the teams.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 28 Jan 2019, 08:23

Rules for the Tokyo qaulification process

https://www.world.rugby/sevens-series/news/364051

4 core qualifiers
Japan
1 from Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, Oceania and South America
1 repechage

So as the world series standings are (and only them):
It would be:
USA, Fiji, New Zealand, South Africa
Japan
Kenya, HongKong, GB, Canada, Australia, Argentina
Samoa

Next best teams (based on World series standing of the core teams. If not a core-team the result from the HK Qualifier in 2018 : Spain, France, Russia (relegated core-team in 2018), Germany, Ireland, Chile, Urugugay, Uganda, Zimbabwe.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 28 Jan 2019, 09:36

Are we sure Hong Kong can field a competitive squad made of passport holders eligible for the Olympics?

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 28 Jan 2019, 10:11

I think there's an argument to be made that England, Scotland and Wales should be made to compete on the World Series Circuit as Great Britain. As it stands GB essentially have 3 chances to qualify for the Olympics whilst every has only one. I doubt the respective unions would mind, in fact pooling resources together would help reduce costs. It would also give two nations a chance to compete regularly on the WSS.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Armchair Fan » Mon, 28 Jan 2019, 10:58

To be honest they've got only one chance because British Olympic Association needed to pick one team last Summer. But there is still a conflict of interest out there.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Blurandski » Mon, 28 Jan 2019, 12:24

I think that the current system of doing things is fine from a competitive standpoint, the Welsh are rank enough that they'll lose anyway, and I can't imagine any Scotsman playing easy to let England win. Indeed the bigger conflict of interest is that Spain, France etc should want England to win in games against them so that England finishes in the top 4, making it more likely for them to qualify through the regional competition.

Aside from the olympic debate I'd rather GB competed as one team purely so that more T2 unions got a shot at a 7WS team. Ever since Scotland lost the 7s leg I'm not sure that their team is around long term, if either them or Wales got relegated then they may call it a wrap on their 7s teams.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby victorsra » Mon, 28 Jan 2019, 12:45

My impression is that SRU don't close the Scottish team just because they are doing well.... maybe that 2016 London Sevens title saved the team for a while.
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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 28 Jan 2019, 19:49

I seriously doubt that Britain or France will miss the 2020 Olympic men's tournament.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Blurandski » Mon, 28 Jan 2019, 23:59

If England don't come top four then I can see England qualifying via Europe, Australia via repechage.

If England come top four I could see Spain qualifying over France in Europe, Australia/SA via repechage. Very credible chance of one of them missing it.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Armchair Fan » Tue, 29 Jan 2019, 01:07

I think Australia would have a fair chance of winning Oceania qualifier and that Ireland is above both Spain and France.

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Re: Sevens World Series/7's News

Postby Blurandski » Tue, 29 Jan 2019, 01:54

Armchair Fan wrote:I think Australia would have a fair chance of winning Oceania qualifier and that Ireland is above both Spain and France.


I'm going to be honest, I had completely forgotten about an Oceania qualifier.

Hopefully Ireland will choke, Spain (among others) could do with the additional funding and exposure more than Ireland.

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