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World Cup 2019 thread

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 30 Oct 2015, 02:02

World Rugby have released the logo for the Japan 2019 world cup, so I thought even though we are 4 years away a thread would be nice to have, to discuss things like scheduling, likely teams, and our hopes for the tournament.


Date: September 20 - November 2

Qualified Teams: (12)
Japan (hosts)
Argentina
Australia
England
France
Georgia
Ireland
Italy
New Zealand
Scotland
South Africa
Wales

Regional Qualifiers: (8 places)
United States
Uruguay
Namibia
Russia
Samoa
Fiji
Tonga

Pools:
Pool A - Japan, Ireland, Scotland, Samoa, Russia
Pool B - New Zealand, South Africa, Italy, Namibia, Repechage Winner
Pool C - Argentina, France, England, Tonga, USA
Pool D - Wales, Australia, Fiji, Georgia, Uruguay

Match Schedule:
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Venues (approx. capacity):
Yokohama Stadium, Yokohama - 72,000
Ajinomoto Stadium, Tokyo - 50,000
Shizuoka Stadium, Fukuroi - 50,000
Toyota Stadium, Toyota - 45,000
Sapporo Dome, Sapporo - 41,000
Oita Bank Dome, Oita - 40,000
Umakana Yokana Stadium, Kumamoto - 32,000
Kobe City Misaki Park, Kobe - 30,000
Hanazano Stadium, Higashiosaka - 30,000
Kumagaya Rugby Ground, Kumagaya - 24,000
Level 5 Stadium, Fukuoka - 22,000
Kamaishi Recovery Memorial Stadium - 16,000
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Re: World Cup 2019 thread

Postby thatrugbyguy » Fri, 30 Oct 2015, 02:23

One thing I'll say out immediately is I'm wondering how the draw is going to be conducted this time around. At present Japan are ranked 9th which would normally put them in band 3, but given we've never had a world cup host under the current format be ranked outside the top 8 this buts World Rugby in a difficult position. The host nation has always been given a seeding and if Japan is given one of the 8 seeds then another pool of death scenario is likely. Based on current world rankings if Japan were given the 8th seeding that would make both Scotland and England drop to band 3 of the draw.

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Re: World Cup 2019 thread

Postby victorsra » Fri, 30 Oct 2015, 03:27

Strange why Japan left Prince Chichibu Stadium out, but included Kumagaya Rugby Ground that is also in Tokyo Metro. Is it a rugby area in Tokyo?
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Re: World Cup 2019 thread

Postby Rowan » Fri, 30 Oct 2015, 08:43

thatrugbyguy wrote:One thing I'll say out immediately is I'm wondering how the draw is going to be conducted this time around. At present Japan are ranked 9th which would normally put them in band 3, but given we've never had a world cup host under the current format be ranked outside the top 8 this buts World Rugby in a difficult position. The host nation has always been given a seeding and if Japan is given one of the 8 seeds then another pool of death scenario is likely. Based on current world rankings if Japan were given the 8th seeding that would make both Scotland and England drop to band 3 of the draw.


Ultimately they should seed it and do the draw at the conclusion of qualifying. They should not base it on rankings alone, as these are distorted somewhat by results directly after Autumn tours to the Northern Hemisphere as well as Spring tours to the Southern Hemisphere. I think the host nation and previous winners should always be seeded. The remaining three teams with the best rankings average over the previous twelve months could also be seeded.
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, then why not in between?

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Re: World Cup 2019 thread

Postby beardy reiver » Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 10:50

I dont think Scotland would be "dropping" into the third seeds. Im pretty sure we were 3rd seeds in the last 2 groups. In NZ we had England and Arg seeded 1 & 2. I think Samoa were seeded 2nd this time round.

England being 3rd seeds for not qualifying from their group seems fair.
If they're good enough to play at world cups why aren't they good enough for the Sanzars in between?

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Re: World Cup 2019 thread

Postby jservuk » Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 13:05

The draw will provide much debate. Clearly, everyone would want japan to progress, and out do their football counterparts in 2002 who didn't make it through the group stages.

In a country where the sport is already big and popular, and there was never any expectation of the hosts wining, an early exit probably doesn't have much effect. So, thinking of football, SA in 2010 where never going to do much, but football has a massive following among the black population. Similar in Mexico 1986/1970.

Where the sport is big, and there is huge expectation, and the hosts fail, that is where there can be a problem. So, Spain in 1982 was a disaster.

So, I think the impact of Japan doing well would be huge, but the impact of Japan not progressing would not regress the sport, and would still have a positive effect, just not so much.

So all things considered I would like to see a fair draw rather than a contrived let's make sure teh hosts progress set up.

Whats is Japan's rank now, and what what it prior to this World Cup?

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Re: World Cup 2019 thread

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 04:25

I thought it might be a good idea with a year to go to restart this thread. Anyway, if you want any proof the Wallabies a genuinely scared of not qualifying for the quarter finals next year this tweet says it all.

https://twitter.com/RugbyReg/status/1059936060321423361

"The Wallabies are clearly feeling the pressure around next year’s RWC. I’m hearing the Fijian Drua gun flyhalf Alivereti Veitokani was set to play for the Reds but the deal was nixed by Chek because Fiji are in our pool and we didn’t want to give them a leg up."


Yep, Cheika is fearful of Fiji so much he's vetoed Queensland from signing one of the Drua players.

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Re: World Cup 2019 thread

Postby Canalina » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 05:13

All the World Cup teams except Japan on the field this weekend

Fri (CE Time)
20.30 Ulster - Uruguay

Sat
12.00 Russia - Namibia
15.00 Italia – Georgia
15.30 Scozia – Fiji
16.00 Inghilterra - Nuova Zelanda
16.00 Barbares français - Tonga
18.20 Galles - Australia
18.30 United States - Samoa
19.30 Irlanda - Argentina
21.05 Francia - Sud Africa

Sun
13.00 Canada-Kenya (rwcq)
16.00 Hong Kong-Germania (rwcq)

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Re: World Cup 2019 thread

Postby thatrugbyguy » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 12:04

I wonder why Japan didn't get a game for this weekend. Also, updated the first post.
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Re: World Cup 2019 thread

Postby amz » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 12:07

thatrugbyguy wrote:I wonder why Japan didn't get a game for this weekend.


I still wonder why Romania had only 2 tests last November ;)

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Re: World Cup 2019 thread

Postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 17:42

thatrugbyguy wrote: Yep, Cheika is fearful of Fiji so much he's vetoed Queensland from signing one of the Drua players.

So much for tier 2 development...

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Re: World Cup 2019 thread

Postby MikeN » Thu, 08 Nov 2018, 20:29

Canalina wrote:All the World Cup teams except Japan on the field this weekend

Fri (CE Time)
20.30 Ulster - Uruguay

Sat
12.00 Russia - Namibia
15.00 Italia – Georgia
15.30 Scozia – Fiji
16.00 Inghilterra - Nuova Zelanda
16.00 Barbares français - Tonga
18.20 Galles - Australia
18.30 United States - Samoa
19.30 Irlanda - Argentina
21.05 Francia - Sud Africa

Sun
13.00 Canada-Kenya (rwcq)
16.00 Hong Kong-Germania (rwcq)


Why did Wales play Scotland last weekend? Was noone else available?

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Re: World Cup 2019 thread

Postby Buffalo » Fri, 09 Nov 2018, 00:07

MikeN wrote:
Canalina wrote:All the World Cup teams except Japan on the field this weekend

Fri (CE Time)
20.30 Ulster - Uruguay

Sat
12.00 Russia - Namibia
15.00 Italia – Georgia
15.30 Scozia – Fiji
16.00 Inghilterra - Nuova Zelanda
16.00 Barbares français - Tonga
18.20 Galles - Australia
18.30 United States - Samoa
19.30 Irlanda - Argentina
21.05 Francia - Sud Africa

Sun
13.00 Canada-Kenya (rwcq)
16.00 Hong Kong-Germania (rwcq)


Why did Wales play Scotland last weekend? Was noone else available?


The match was outside the test window so options were realistically limited?

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