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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby Tintifax » Thu, 27 Oct 2016, 11:20

Stevenson is (sometimes) still in Austria as a Club-Coach or Coaching Supervisor. Smutna is a German with Austrian roots. You find a lot "Smutnas" in Eastern Austria. He went back to Germany & is working for the DRV [?]
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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 27 Oct 2016, 11:56

Tintifax wrote:Stevenson is (sometimes) still in Austria as a Club-Coach or Coaching Supervisor. Smutna is a German with Austrian roots. You find a lot "Smutnas" in
Eastern Austria. He went back to Germany & is working for the DRV [?]


Smutna is an Austrian who lives in Germany. He's actually now the one in charge of the coach training for all of Germany. He did a pretty good job to get the rugby licences officially recognized by the state of Bavaria for the first time, before/ while he was also in charge for Austria.

Lofty Stevenson has been a travelling coach for some years. Apparently he is kind of the head coach of Munich RFC, but was so even while he was austrian national coach.

What actually happened to them? Why aren't they still in charge?
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby Tintifax » Wed, 23 Nov 2016, 17:48

Summary November

a) ARC
- Donau won the Premiership with 19 of 20 possible points
- Graz & Celtic stays in the PS. Graz won against Celtic for 1st time in a regular XV-game.
- Wombats won the Championship

b) Other games
A so called "Vienna XV" won against Berlin.

c) Award for the "Rugby Open Borders"
The "Rugby Open Borders" a integration project for unaccompanied youths won the World Rugby Award for Characters.
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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby chestnut » Tue, 13 Dec 2016, 09:42

So both Smutna and Stevenson has been sacked by the Union? For what reasons?

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby Tintifax » Tue, 13 Dec 2016, 16:17

Smutna was not sacked. In early 2016 much changed in our Federation and Smutna looked around for new jobs. The Board has re-announced all Jobs & he didn´t reapply at all.

Stevenson had a different approach to his function as the Federation. The Fed wanted a NT-coach, Stevenson understood his function also as a developer of Austrian Rugby. This caused differences between Board, some Clubs & the NT-Coach. I can´t judge his work as NT-coach, but he was a great developer. No Coach before knew more players, Coaches & Officials in Austria than him. Some changed their education in this age.
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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby Tintifax » Tue, 06 Jun 2017, 11:03

Donau Piraten won the Alpine Rugby-Premier, Innsbruck finished 2nd. Innsbruck won the game in Vienna. Tight Premier this year.

Austrian Championship Semi-Finals:

Innsbruck vs Celtic Vienna
Donau vs Stade Rugby

Alpine Championship (not to confuse with Austrian Championship!)
Semi-Finals:

Linz vs Donau Korsaren
Wombats Wr. Neustadt vs. Tigers Klagenfurt

Women:
Women-Rugby has significantly increased.
Season finished last weekend. 1st Donau A 2nd Donau B 3rd Innsbruck.
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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby Tintifax » Sun, 18 Jun 2017, 10:23

Semifinals

Donau vs Stade 22:6
Innsbruck vs Celtic 33:15

Final: Donau vs Innsbruck 20:13

Donau with strong 15 Minutes after the break, in this time they made 3 tries.

Championship:
Linz vs Donau Korsaren 31:0
Wombats Wr. Neustadt vs. Tigers Klagenfurt 19:23

Final: Linz : Tigers 7:13

One of the biggest upsets in Austrian Rugby.
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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby sammo » Sun, 18 Jun 2017, 14:06

Tintifax wrote:Semifinals

Donau vs Stade 22:6
Innsbruck vs Celtic 33:15

Final: Donau vs Innsbruck 20:13

Donau with strong 15 Minutes after the break, in this time they made 3 tries.

Championship:
Linz vs Donau Korsaren 31:0
Wombats Wr. Neustadt vs. Tigers Klagenfurt 19:23

Final: Linz : Tigers 7:13

One of the biggest upsets in Austrian Rugby.



I assume from your photo that you're a Tigers player/coach/something to do with the club, so congratulations! Does this mean you're promoted?

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby Tintifax » Sun, 18 Jun 2017, 21:29

sammo wrote:
I assume from your photo that you're a Tigers player/coach/something to do with the club, so congratulations! Does this mean you're promoted?


Yes I´m Tigers-Official, thx for the congratulations! We do not promote automatically. It depends on many different factors, like

- Format of next Premiership (How many teams? Round robin or Conferences)...
- The League board must not accept the Club in the premier and vice versa we can refuse promotion.
- Reasons for the League: Is the Club strong enough for Premier? Have the Club enough players, enough money for more games?
- Reasons for the Club: Is this meaningful? Do we have enough educated players for the Premiership? What happens to our beginners without a 2nd Team?

And other questions. Normally we are a "perfect" Club for the 2nd league in Austria. My occupation is bookmaker, if I had offered outrights for my team bettors got a 25/1 - 40/1 ...

When we will get 4-5 educated players in the next 2 months we will think about. But normally we lose 6-7 players every season and we must fill up with beginners. For beginners is the 2nd league the limit what is possible, the Premiership is too strong.
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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby Raven » Thu, 05 Jul 2018, 21:03

Just read Innsbruck Rugby Club -last year finalists of the Alpine Premier- will be leaving the Austrian League to join the German ranks in full (they used to participate with a 2nd team), starting in the lowest tier of Bavarian Rugby. I wonder how far will they go?

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby sk 88 » Fri, 06 Jul 2018, 11:39

Maybe Nuremburg? ;)

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 06 Jul 2018, 21:39

sk 88 wrote:Maybe Nuremburg? ;)


Nope, it most likely is played with a Northern and a Southern group. Innsbruck already played with a second team in the Southern Bavarian group two and three years ago.
The farest would be Ulm which is 230km and Ingolstadt (250km, but they play with Unterföhring's (Munich) 2nd team away.
In comparision:
Vienna is 476km away from Innsbruck and the actually need to travel through Bavaria to get there.

If they make the playoffs it would be Bamberg or Bayreuth which are with 400km still closer than Vienna.

About the playing level, they will be favourite for promotion, but its not set they'll make it.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby bonzosarmy » Mon, 09 Jul 2018, 15:52

afaik they will play 'verbandsliga süd', they are down in playernumbers and it makes no sense for them going to vienna with 14/15 players all the time.

as to my infos they are allowed to play with less than 15 players in the verbandsliga?

if they get promoted then it will be even worser with distances then in austria, cause they have to play 7 away games instead of 5/6 as in the Alpine Competition.

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 07:10

bonzosarmy wrote:afaik they will play 'verbandsliga süd', they are down in playernumbers and it makes no sense for them going to vienna with 14/15 players all the time.

as to my infos they are allowed to play with less than 15 players in the verbandsliga?

if they get promoted then it will be even worser with distances then in austria, cause they have to play 7 away games instead of 5/6 as in the Alpine Competition.


In theory you can play 10 a side in the Verbandsliga. In reality that hasn't been the case for afaik 4 years. Also 4 guest players are allowed to make sure you play 15s.

Forget about the distances. Munich is only 100km away (okay 160km by car) and they will play there at least two times in both leagues. There is also Bad Reichenhall in the Regionalliga which is about the same distance than Munich. This town is close to the Austrian city Salzburg which they have to go through every single time if playing any other Austrian team anyway.

Even if they manage to get promoted, the distances are still waaaayyy less for them. The worst is Würzburg, but they are still, with being 412km away, closer than Vienna with 476km.
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Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 07:32

Out of interest I looked at the one-way-distances for Innsbruck. Amazing they kept playing for so long. Those were the away games last season:

Graz: 458km
Vienna (3): 476km
Ljubljana, Slovenija: 456km
=> 2370km one-way

Now if they would have been promoted to the Regionalliga for the next season: (calculated on this site https://www.entfernung.org)
Augsburg: 178km
Regensburg: 271km
Ravensburg: 209km
Bad Reichenhall: 144km
Munich (2): 164km
Würzburg: 412km

=>1542km one-way.

So they will actually drive 1656km (2x828km) LESS than today if they would be promoted to the Regionalliga Bayern. They apparently will also see a lot of cities with -burg in their name :D
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Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby Raven » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 13:02

sk 88 wrote:Maybe Nuremburg? ;)


The first team actually got promoted to the 2.Bundesliga South so it will take them 2 promotions to get to see them! and their second team plays in the Verbandsliga North as RugbyLiebe mentioned after.

It´s interesting to see how rugby is growing in Bavaria, and providing an opportunity for teams that aren´t in the province to participate.

Coming back to the rules of the League, AFAIK 10s isn´t the minimum you are able to play with, but 12 a-side, but this has to be agreed by the opposition. If they have a full roster, they can lend players to try and sort out the XVs game. But also with the 4 "guest" players sometimes it isn´t necessary.

And going back to the original thread (Austrian Rugby), how is it that there´s a team in Bad Reichenhall and not one in Salzburg???

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 13:25

Raven wrote:Coming back to the rules of the League, AFAIK 10s isn´t the minimum you are able to play with, but 12 a-side, but this has to be agreed by the opposition. If they have a full roster, they can lend players to try and sort out the XVs game. But also with the 4 "guest" players sometimes it isn´t necessary.


"In der jeweils untersten Spielklasse beträgt die Mindestanzahl 10 und die Höchstanzahl 22 Spieler. Ziel ist es, auch in der untersten Liga möglichst 15er Rugby zu spielen. Minimale Regelanzahl ist 10. Beide Mannschaften müssen das Spiel mit derselben Anzahl an Spielern beginnen. Spätestens 20 Minuten vor Spielbeginn ist eine Einigung über die Regelanzahl herbeizuführen; eine ggf. erforderliche finale Entscheidung obliegt dem Schiedsrichter. Sofern eine oder beide Mannschaften nicht die erforderliche Mindestanzahl an Spielern stellen können, wird die Begegnung für sie oder beide als „Nicht Angetreten“ gewertet"
§10 (4) Bayrische Spielordnung

Actually the opposition doesn't have to agree but as said before I haven't seen a game not played 15-a-side in the Verbandsliga for years.

Raven wrote:And going back to the original thread (Austrian Rugby), how is it that there´s a team in Bad Reichenhall and not one in Salzburg???


Historical reasons, if I remember right, there was a Rugby Club in Salzburg before. But the locals were mostly Germans from Bad Reichenhall and so they founded this club. The pitch itself is literally on the border to Austria. If you kick far enough, the ball lands in Austria. There is even an Austrian busstop behind it.
They off course have a lot of guys living in Salzburg. But the Bad Reichenhall guys themself are really in the middle of the society in their town. Like for the town's festival they organize the main stage together with the brewery etc.
How to grow rugby worldwide?
Look at the world ranking in July. Teams ranked 1-10 have to play one team from 11-20 (they don't play in a regular competition) away the next year. 11-20 play 21-30 away and so on. Yes, it really is that simple.

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby Raven » Tue, 07 Aug 2018, 18:11

Hey @bonzosarmy / @Tintifax and perhaps some other Austrian native I am probably forgetting to quote; considering the number of new teams appearing in neighboring Germany, are there any rumors / confirmation of new sides planing to join the Austrian League?

Is anything going to change now with the departure of Innsbruck?

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 28 Aug 2018, 07:20

Line-up for the game against USA South on Wednesday, August 29th,

Nach einem Auswahl-Camp am Sonntag im Rugby BLZ Atzgersdorf unter der Leitung von David John Conyers wurden 26 Spieler für das Spiel am Mittwoch gegen die USA South Panthers nominiert. David Conyers: "The squad encompasses a well blended mix of experience and emerging talent that will all benefit from the experience. It is pleasing to note that a wide selection of Austrian clubs are represented across the team."

1 Omar El Agrebi
2 Michael Klaffenböck
3 Mark Adam
4 Simon Hofstätter
5 Bernhard Scharer
6 Paul Hruschka
7 Frederik Olivanti
8 Thomas Oppl
9 Anatol Ehrlich
10 Daniel Walker
11 Christopher Graf
12 Laurence Edwards
13 Alex Marka
14 Clemens Mostbeck
15 Stephan Reiseneder
16 Alexander Radomirov
17 Adi Kresna Prapsilo
18 Hubertus Strachwitz
19 Lukas Fruehstueck
20 Tobias Habres
21 Moritz Hopp
22 Christopher Hauzeneder
23 Lorenz Hammerschmidt
24 Roland Kober
25 Florian Ortis
26 Bogdan Mihajlovic

Source:
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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby bonzosarmy » Tue, 28 Aug 2018, 19:27

Raven wrote:Hey @bonzosarmy / @Tintifax and perhaps some other Austrian native I am probably forgetting to quote; considering the number of new teams appearing in neighboring Germany, are there any rumors / confirmation of new sides planing to join the Austrian League?

Is anything going to change now with the departure of Innsbruck?


sorry. did not see your question earlier.
no not realy, there are a few changes how the leagues will be played.

in the 1st league / ARC Premiership are 7 teams now
1. Rugby Union Donau Wien (AUT)
2. Vienna Celtic RFC (AUT)
3. RAK Olimpija Ljubljana (SLO)
4. Stade Rugby Club Wien (AUT)
5. Rugby Club Graz (AUT)
6. Wombats Rugyb Club (AUT)
7. 1. Rugby Club Slovan Bratislava (SVK)

they play single round robin and after that the 1st team in the table has a bye and the other six play quarterfinals, then semifinals and final.

in the 2nd league /ARC Championship are 8 teams (in two groups) now and they play 10 a side rugby in tournaments
group north
1. Öberöstereich Auswahl (AUT)
2. Rugby Union Club Krems (AUT)
3. Rugby Union Donau Wien II (AUT)
4. Rugby Club Breclav (CZE)

group south
1. Rugby Klub Maribor (SLO)
2. Academic Rugby Club Leoben (AUT)
3. Rugby Club anexia Tigers Klagenfurt (AUT)
4. Rugby Club Graz II (AUT)

each team in each group does have a home tournament, after four tournaments the first two of each group play in a tournmanent for the win of the league, the two third and fourth also.

in each league the games between the austrian teams count for the qualification for the austrian champions title 1st and 2nd league. both four best teams in the tables playing semifinals and final.

and inbetweeen this leagues we play a 7s league with 6 tournaments throughout the year.

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby dwpeate » Wed, 29 Aug 2018, 11:34

Is there a stream of todays game?

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby Raven » Wed, 29 Aug 2018, 11:58

bonzosarmy wrote:
Raven wrote:Hey @bonzosarmy / @Tintifax and perhaps some other Austrian native I am probably forgetting to quote; considering the number of new teams appearing in neighboring Germany, are there any rumors / confirmation of new sides planing to join the Austrian League?

Is anything going to change now with the departure of Innsbruck?


sorry. did not see your question earlier.
no not realy, there are a few changes how the leagues will be played.

in the 1st league / ARC Premiership are 7 teams now
1. Rugby Union Donau Wien (AUT)
2. Vienna Celtic RFC (AUT)
3. RAK Olimpija Ljubljana (SLO)
4. Stade Rugby Club Wien (AUT)
5. Rugby Club Graz (AUT)
6. Wombats Rugyb Club (AUT)
7. 1. Rugby Club Slovan Bratislava (SVK)

they play single round robin and after that the 1st team in the table has a bye and the other six play quarterfinals, then semifinals and final.

in the 2nd league /ARC Championship are 8 teams (in two groups) now and they play 10 a side rugby in tournaments
group north
1. Öberöstereich Auswahl (AUT)
2. Rugby Union Club Krems (AUT)
3. Rugby Union Donau Wien II (AUT)
4. Rugby Club Breclav (CZE)

group south
1. Rugby Klub Maribor (SLO)
2. Academic Rugby Club Leoben (AUT)
3. Rugby Club anexia Tigers Klagenfurt (AUT)
4. Rugby Club Graz II (AUT)

each team in each group does have a home tournament, after four tournaments the first two of each group play in a tournmanent for the win of the league, the two third and fourth also.

in each league the games between the austrian teams count for the qualification for the austrian champions title 1st and 2nd league. both four best teams in the tables playing semifinals and final.

and inbetweeen this leagues we play a 7s league with 6 tournaments throughout the year.


Hey thanks for that! sounds like it was pretty difficult to raise XVs teams with the 10s tournaments changes...

So 2 sides got promoted to the Premiership -ironically not the one that ended 1st in the Championship- and now you guys are mixing the Championship with the Development League? or there´s a Dev League too? Donau has been able to raise a second team again (they used to be able to field 3 sides!), Graz also has a 2nd "XV" after a long time... I would have imagined either Stade or Celtic to be able to do that too, specially considering it´s 10s...

I don´t see RC Linz (but there´s a Oberösterreich Auswahl, I suppose it´s them with ??) There´s also no Croatian sides :( at least in 1st & 2nd Div that you mentioned.

Looks like despite having various teams of various countries the number of 20 participating sides cannot be broken. Shame for it to go backwards instead of forwards in terms of amount of clubs, or at least teams.
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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby bonzosarmy » Wed, 29 Aug 2018, 12:28

dwpeate wrote:Is there a stream of todays game?


sorry no, or non i am aware of!

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby Tobar » Wed, 29 Aug 2018, 16:31

bonzosarmy wrote:
dwpeate wrote:Is there a stream of todays game?


sorry no, or non i am aware of!


Yes there is actually -- DJ Coil is streaming live on his Facebook, not sure if he's there or if he's sharing someone's video. It will be at 1 ET (in a half hour).

https://www.facebook.com/djcoilrugby/

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Re: Rugby in Austria

Postby dwpeate » Wed, 29 Aug 2018, 18:20

24-0 to USA South at Half time

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