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The future of Italian Rugby

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Ainsthrilln » Sun, 04 Nov 2018, 10:50

I think you are over reacting to this result. Yes, it's was a shame of a game, but look at the line-up.

I doubt more than five or six players fielded yesterday will be in the 23.

It's disappointing in Italy, but this game does not tell us much about what will happen next week or next February.

Still, Italy has not much credit left, and the 700k€ probably do not compensate the bad reputation.

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Sables4EVA » Mon, 05 Nov 2018, 05:52

It saddens me to constantly see the Azzuri lose by such margins. Not long ago the team nearly beat England, the Pro14 clubs are slowly getting more respectable results but those do not seem to translate into the national side.

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby SHIZZZO » Mon, 05 Nov 2018, 11:56

This result means nothing, there will be a different team against the Lelo's next week and hopefully our guys know this.
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Sat, 01 Dec 2018, 11:40

This afternoon there's the 9th day of Top12. Kick-off 15.00 (14 GMT)

As always all the matches are live on line
https://www.federugby.it/index.php?opti ... 12&lang=it

Petrarca v Valorugby is a duel between the two leaders: an historical one (Petrarca) and a surprising one (Valorugby is from Reggio, near Parma). Also Mogliano v Calvisano and Viadana v Rovigo are very interesting in play-offs perspective.
Verona v Valsugana (both teams are from Veneto) appears almost already a barrage to avoid relegation. The best four teams qualify to the semifinals, the last two are relegated to Serie A.

Viadana-Rovigo
Verona-Valsugana Padova
San Donà-Fiamme Oro Roma
Lazio-Medicei Firenze
Petrarca Padova-Valorugby Emilia
Mogliano-Calvisano

Standing (8/22 days)
Petrarca Padova 34; Valorugby Emilia 30; Fiamme Oro 28; Mogliano 25; Calvisano 24; Rovigo 24; Viadana 20; I Medicei 16; San Donà 14; Lazio 10; Valsugana Padova 7; Verona 5

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 22:52

(a moment of self-promotion)

On our facebook we published a resume by images about this year's Italian rugby; one photo per month

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?s ... 0689872550

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Fri, 04 Jan 2019, 13:10

Two big matches tomorrow at 15.00 CET, live on youtube

Kawasaki Robot Calvisano v Valorugby Emilia
Petrarca Padova v Fiamme Oro Roma

https://www.federugby.it/index.php?opti ... 12&lang=it

Calvisano, Valorugby, Petrarca and Fiamme Oro, together with Rovigo, are leading the Top 12; the May semifinalists should sort out from these five clubs

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 05 Feb 2019, 04:37

Renovations started in Flaminio Stadium and it will become the "house of rugby" in Rome: https://www.sporteconomy.it/malago-coni ... del-rugby/
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Tue, 05 Feb 2019, 08:50

victorsra wrote:Renovations started in Flaminio Stadium and it will become the "house of rugby" in Rome: https://www.sporteconomy.it/malago-coni ... del-rugby/


Have the renovations really started? It does only state that they want the Flamini become the Italian home of rugby, I saw no time-plan.
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 05 Feb 2019, 13:33

Yeah, haven't seen photos of the works.

They talk about womens and sevens rugby. But also nothing about PRO14. Well, it wold be really important to have a franchise there to make it really a great thing.

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby BigG » Tue, 05 Feb 2019, 16:32

By the way, is there any news on 2020 U20 world cup in Italy?

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Tobar » Tue, 05 Feb 2019, 16:46

victorsra wrote:Yeah, haven't seen photos of the works.

They talk about womens and sevens rugby. But also nothing about PRO14. Well, it wold be really important to have a franchise there to make it really a great thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwkY6P7bl8


Is there any legitimate reason why Rome doesn’t have a Pro14 club? I know northern Italy is the “hotbed” of Italian rugby and most of the best clubs are way up there but this makes so much more sense financially. Worst case scenario you get traveling fans who would love going to Rome.

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 05 Feb 2019, 17:20

More than this, they are not profiting on the 6N success in the city. If there are 80.000 people in the Olimpico, 5% attend a PRO14 match it is much bigger than Zebre. But with much more potential to grow. They could promote it giving 1 PRO14 ticket for every X number of 6N/Tests bought for Olimpico matches. It would trigger things for a Roman franchise. And Flaminio is so well located...
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Tobar » Tue, 05 Feb 2019, 19:09

Flaminio is right next to Olímpico so perfect location for 6 Nations. You get fans to show up for this and have a great time and then....nothing. Sure you get plenty of fans traveling but you can build a captive local audience year round instead of just in February. And then you can build up the sport in a new region rather than just keeping it in the north.

Speaking of the stadium, is this seriously what it looks like now? Only 7 years since the last 6N match and it looks like Chernobyl. I don’t understand how this can happen in such a major city.

https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/rome- ... adium.html

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 06 Feb 2019, 08:06

Tobar wrote:Speaking of the stadium, is this seriously what it looks like now? Only 7 years since the last 6N match and it looks like Chernobyl. I don’t understand how this can happen in such a major city.


I am quite sure they don't pay security to watch out for it. This is probably what exactly happens in big cities, when it is not only about quickly making the most money possible. The eternal city is also known for a lot of burocracy and lets say individual exchange of money, which both tend to slow things down. But maybe our Italians here in this forum can say a bit more.
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Sat, 09 Feb 2019, 08:20

Tomorrow's Italy v Wales U20 will be live on youtube. No geoblock, I suppose, but not sure


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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby jservuk » Mon, 11 Feb 2019, 15:52

One of the big national newspapers about Italy:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rug ... 72326.html

What surprised me was there were 38,000 at the game.

38,000 is still a big crowd ... bigger than most Seria A teams will have got that weekend.
38,000 though is far smaller than the 70,000 full houses they were getting a couple of years ago.

What's happening? Are the public losing faith?

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby 4N » Mon, 11 Feb 2019, 16:13

They lost big in U20 too.

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby armchair_expert » Mon, 11 Feb 2019, 16:27

two thirds of the crowd was Welsh red jerseys

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Mon, 11 Feb 2019, 17:49

One think that looks clear to me is that a 6N expansion would in fact benefit Italy... they need to win a bit and face more opponents of the same level or inferior... that's important in the build-up of their national team. They have good results recently in the U20s and Benetton is doing well, this means they can do more.
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Mon, 11 Feb 2019, 20:08

jservuk wrote:One of the big national newspapers about Italy:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rug ... 72326.html

What surprised me was there were 38,000 at the game.

38,000 is still a big crowd ... bigger than most Seria A teams will have got that weekend.
38,000 though is far smaller than the 70,000 full houses they were getting a couple of years ago.

What's happening? Are the public losing faith?

I can't say. It was a miracle to me too that Italy was able to gather 50/70 K people for so many matches along so many years; since some seasons those numbers are declining, despite they remain quite big for our standards.
Why this decline? Is a matter of too much losses? I doubt that is the main factor; I tend to think that 6N here in Italy was a giant fascinating "vogue" and that that vogue is now slowly dropping appeal. The absence of wins and the penury of big characters (no more Castrogiovanni, no more Lo Cicero, no more Dominguez, no more Bergamascos...) may have contribute but my feeling is that this is a physiological process. The national team was too extra-estimed in comparison to the local championship (this years the Italian Top 12 has gathered so far 66,500 spectators in 84 matches; it means that in eighty-four matches it has still not virtually filled the Rome's Stadio Olimpico), now the numbers of the national team are progressively (and unfortunately) returning to our dimension.
Of course this, even more than the poor results, is a danger for our position in the 6N; I very doubt that they will kick off us, it would be a giant loss also for the blazon of the tournament, but maybe an always-losing and scarcely-followed Italy could push the other five nations to search a new formula

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby sk 88 » Tue, 12 Feb 2019, 20:04

Italy now calling up Callum Braley from Gloucester. Apparently he has one Italian grandparent.

Perhaps Spain, Italy and Scotland could play in the "diaspora cup" where they go the whole hog and ONLY select players who qualify through their parents and grandparents?

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 12 Feb 2019, 20:20

Scotland had more players born abroad than Italy when they faced each other this year...
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby sk 88 » Tue, 12 Feb 2019, 21:58

Indeed, why they are named in "Technically they qualify I suppose Tri nations"!

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby m.map » Thu, 14 Feb 2019, 12:49

Canalina wrote:
jservuk wrote:What surprised me was there were [only, I suggest] 38,000 at the game.

I can't say. (…) Why this decline? (…)

I agree with Canalina. More, the Olimpico stadium is a very sh*t for rugby viewers
much better are genoa, florence, milan and other stadiums with at least 35000 seats

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 14 Feb 2019, 13:29

Well, they are renewing Flaminio...
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