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The future of Italian Rugby

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Paula Bale » Mon, 21 Nov 2016, 07:09

Well there you go; everything is swell with Italian rugby.

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby dropkick » Mon, 21 Nov 2016, 08:24

NedRugby wrote:
dropkick wrote:It shows the potential in Italy but they won't keep coming if Italy are losing every match.


Problem solved?



It's a good start. They also almost beat Argentina in Argentina during the summer. Finishing out those games strongly shows their fitness levels are improving.


They're playing Wales first up in the 6 nations. That's a big game for both coaches.

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby dwpeate » Mon, 21 Nov 2016, 08:49

I know who my money is on at the moment...

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Fri, 02 Dec 2016, 21:13

Starting with this round of matches, the Eccellenza will be live shown on the web by http://www.therugbychannel.it

This weekend's program, fifth day of the tournament
Sat, 14.30, Lazio-Rovigo
Sat, 15.00, Calvisano-Viadana
Sat, 15.00, Mogliano-Piacenza
Sat, 15.00, Padova-Fiamme Oro
Sun, 15.00, Reggio-San Donà

The games are shown on youtube, so I think there's not a geo-block
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Thu, 29 Dec 2016, 16:38

According to italian federation's match reports the average attendance in Eccellenza 2016/17 is exactly 1,000 persons per match after six rounds (even if I suspect that those numbers are a bit pumped up). How big is the average attendance in your national top league?
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 29 Dec 2016, 16:54

In 2015-16,

French Top 14: 14.328
English Premiership: 13.611
PRO12: 8.480 (Irish average: 12.234 / Welsh average: 8.178 / Scottish average: 6.139 / Italian average: 2.927)
Japanese Top League: 7.720
North American PRO: 1.723

I don't have the Southern Hemisphere attendances.

In Brazil our clubs don't play in stadiums and the matches are free to enter. So we don't have this kind of data.
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby erginclass » Fri, 30 Dec 2016, 09:30

Canalina wrote:According to italian federation's match reports the average attendance in Eccellenza 2016/17 is exactly 1,000 persons per match after six rounds (even if I suspect that those numbers are a bit pumped up). How big is the average attendance in your national top league?


My country's league (TR1L) is 10 person per match (in average).

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Fri, 30 Dec 2016, 10:22

:)

Data clearly pumped up by turkish press officers
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Wed, 11 Jan 2017, 16:46

Map of italian regions with number of clubs' participation on the top national championship from its creation in 1928 to 2017 (id est: this year there are four teams from Veneto in Eccellenza so I summed 4 to the previous total)
The eight regions with full color have never fielded a team in the top championship

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Wed, 11 Jan 2017, 17:13

I found out that Alghero, the Catalan town in Sardegna, has a rugby club. Very interesting this in fact. I would like to see them going up.

Question: is there any contact between Southern Italy/Sicily rugby and Malta?
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Thu, 12 Jan 2017, 10:46

victorsra wrote:I found out that Alghero, the Catalan town in Sardegna, has a rugby club. Very interesting this in fact. I would like to see them going up.

Question: is there any contact between Southern Italy/Sicily rugby and Malta?

Alghero was near to the promotion in Eccellenza some years ago, thanks to a president and some sponsors pumping a good amount of money to engage players from the continent and from Argentina. But I suppose that then the money went decreasing and Alghero became less powerful; I think it's in serie B now, the italian third category.

I'm not aware of real links between maltese rugby and sicilian rugby; I just know that ever year a team from Malta plays an home and away duel with the team of the Sigonella american air force base (Sigonella is a sicilian village).
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 12 Jan 2017, 13:07

http://rugby1823.blogosfere.it/post/560 ... io-ai-dogi

Another talk about replacing Treviso by the Dogi (the Venetian rep team).
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Tue, 21 Feb 2017, 22:40

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 21:49

Interview about Dogi's project to replace Treviso in PRO12 http://www.ilneroilrugby.it/2017/02/14/15002/
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Working Class Rugger » Thu, 23 Feb 2017, 22:04

victorsra wrote:Interview about Dogi's project to replace Treviso in PRO12 http://www.ilneroilrugby.it/2017/02/14/15002/


Care to provide the highlights. My Italian is very poor (7th grade Italian for beginners) and google.translate still leaves a lot to be desired.

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby sk 88 » Fri, 24 Feb 2017, 21:57

victorsra wrote:I agree with Paul Tait: http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2017/0 ... -apparent/


Agree on points regarding making the team "more Italian". Think we should hold Italy to high standards though. They call it "poverty of ambition" to allow people to fail through not enforcing the standards you would on others.

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby victorsra » Sat, 25 Feb 2017, 14:16

Care to provide the highlights. My Italian is very poor (7th grade Italian for beginners) and google.translate still leaves a lot to be desired.


Sorry. But I am not an Italian expert either.

What I understood is Marzio Innocenti (the president of the Venetian Rugby Comittee ...I think we can call it Venetian Rugby Union) is leading the movement to put the Dogi (the Venetian regional team) in PRO12 in the place of Treviso, which is just a Venetian club, to make the Dogi represent the whole region. Apparently local clubs are not 100% united around it (it looks San Donà made some critics about the concept) and who will be for a joint venture (the clubs) is an obstacle. Another problem seems to be the creation of a League of clubs to rule Eccellenza and some view the Dogi movement as a diversion to it.


My opinion: I really prefer the Dogi instead of Treviso if it is to keep 2 Italian teams in PRO12. And I have also defended the PRO12 with 4 conferences and etc. This is just because I believe they will keep the 2 teams anyway. However, I believe that maybe the best solution for Italian rugby is to focus on its Eccellenza and have just 1 strong PRO12 Jaguars-like PRO12 team based in Rome and nothing else. A 6-teams fully professional Eccellenza (not more than this!!!) can offer better results to Italy than a second struggling franchise.
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby 4N » Sat, 25 Feb 2017, 15:38

I agree - Dogi and Rome are the way forward for Italy. Backed by strong FIR academies throughout the country, north to south.

T2/3 note: Dogi (Venetian regional sides) have done developmental work with Albanian rugby in the past.

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Wed, 17 May 2017, 13:30

This weekend's return semifinal will be live on line, if someone is interested

Saturday, 16.00 CET: Calvisano v Viadana (12-18) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrrmNuVy87o
Sunday, 17.00 CET: Padova v Rovigo (18-33) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmp-Z5DeKfE

They shouldn't be geoblocked
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Sat, 27 May 2017, 16:19

National final underway, Rovigo leading 9-0

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Canalina » Mon, 09 Oct 2017, 08:29

Foreigner players in the Eccellenza's scorers ranking after three saturdays

3 Finco (Viadana) ARG 34 points
6 Paz (Calvisano) ARG 20
7 Tuivaiti (Calvisano) NZE 15
7 Van Zyl (San Donà) SAF 15
7 Bauer (San Donà) SAF 15
7 Riera (Padova) ARG 15
13 Ceballos (Lazio) ARG 14
13 Mornas (Mogliano) FRA 14
17 Newton (Florence) WAL 11
19 Basson (Florence) SAF 10
19 Caila (Viadana) ARG 10
19 Greeff (Florence) SAF 10
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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby dropkick » Wed, 18 Oct 2017, 22:09

Good article on where Italian rugby is at the moment.


https://www.pro14rugby.org/2017/10/18/o ... ng-groove/

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Re: The future of Italian Rugby

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sun, 22 Oct 2017, 15:06

dropkick wrote:Good article on where Italian rugby is at the moment.


https://www.pro14rugby.org/2017/10/18/o ... ng-groove/


A satisfying read. I'm dubious if O'Shea will be as good a manager as Brunel on match days, but his work behind the scenes is top drawer and will give him a much stronger player base to choose from.

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