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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 30 Jul 2017, 06:16

African Qualifer will be determined come August 2018

Due to H&A rotation, NAM should visit both KEN and ZIM

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Neptune » Sun, 30 Jul 2017, 07:21

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:African Qualifer will be determined come August 2018

Due to H&A rotation, NAM should visit both KEN and ZIM


Hehehe, knowing Namibia, I highly doubt that will happen. Namibia wants their toughest opponents to go to Windhoek, and in Africa's scenario, that is Zimbabwe and Kenya, but let's wait and see what will happen. :lol:

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Bruce_ma_goose » Sun, 30 Jul 2017, 11:48

thatrugbyguy wrote:With Namibia having one foot in the door already as far as I'm concerned the qualification process has become nothing more than a formality and a waste of everybody's time. It's all become a sham and there's no desire to develop any further. Lets not waste our time moving forward with this useless qualification process. Two years before the world cup the top ranked team in each region qualifies automatically, the last two places can be decided in a repechage tournament. It's become evident the whole process isn't getting anywhere . There's no money being put into the regional competition. It's all become about preservation of the T2 teams now like it is with the T1's, the same bull shit that has plagued rugby for a hundred years has now filtered down to its second level of teams. Fiji, Samoa and Tonga get a free ride to the world cup with endless ways to qualify, and now Namibia have become the powerhouse of the rest of Africa. South America is the only place where there's been any redevelopment with Brazil. This whole thing is a waste of time.


I don't think the problem is all down to the qualification processes, to me it is more the historic lack of movement in ranking points (and world ranking can help determine what test matches you get and who gets homefield advantage in repechage).

I think this improving. We are seeing Romania and Georgia facing all the Pacific Islands. We will see Tier1s visit Bucharest and Tblisi from 2018. We are seeing more intercontinental tests for Tier2s.

This all means there is now greater potential for ranking points to move from the Tier1 and Pacific Islands to Tier2s. If Tier2s seize some of those points it will be far harder for World Rugby to preserve the imbalanced qualification processes that favour North America and the Pacific Islands and go against Europe and South America. For example, Cananda are looking vulnerable and I think will get less opportunities in the future as a result of their big slump. They might even miss out to Spain or Russia in the repechage (assuming they lose out to Samoa).

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby olivier » Sun, 30 Jul 2017, 12:39

All the process is up to Spain-Romania in Madrid. If Spain takes Europe 1 spot, Romania can send Samoa to repechage and Samoa can oust Canada.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Sun, 30 Jul 2017, 20:13

Even playing at home, how are the chance of Kenya beating Namibia in 2018?
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Coloradoan » Sun, 30 Jul 2017, 22:15

victorsra wrote:Even playing at home, how are the chance of Kenya beating Namibia in 2018?


Home field advantage is huge in Africa historically. It's also worth pointing out that Kenya beat Namibia on neutral ground in 2014 as part of the RWC qualifier.

I also wonder if Uganda is lurking in the background as a potential spoiler at home.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Neptune » Mon, 31 Jul 2017, 03:48

victorsra wrote:Even playing at home, how are the chance of Kenya beating Namibia in 2018?


The three times we beat Namibia, 2 of those games were played in Nairobi, and the last one was played on Neutral ground in Madagascar. So, yes Home ground advantage is huge in Africa. You need to understand, that is the main reason Namibia fear going to Bulawayo and Nairobi. They fear unfamiliar territory.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby NaBUru38 » Mon, 31 Jul 2017, 16:11

World Cup qualifiers should be played home and away.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Horsehead » Mon, 31 Jul 2017, 16:32

NaBUru38 wrote:World Cup qualifiers should be played home and away.


Couldn't agree more

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby SANE17 » Tue, 01 Aug 2017, 09:32

victorsra wrote:Even playing at home, how are the chance of Kenya beating Namibia in 2018?


Chances are really good. Kenya's record in Nairobi has been excellent for the last 5 yrs (beating Spain, Portugal, Hong Kong, loosing by 4pnts to SA's Western Province 1st team...etc) This year the start was slow due to a very young, new & inexperienced side with a few exceptions. Expect a very different side next year with injured & some 7's players back to the squad for the WC qualifiers campaign.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby amz » Tue, 01 Aug 2017, 10:07

Kenya needs to sort their forwards first, there is little chance to defeat Namibia, even home, without a good pack.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Simbas91 » Wed, 02 Aug 2017, 00:41

Here's how I think about it. If we aren't good enough to beat Namibia in Windhoek on a consistent basis, we are probably not ready to be in the World Cup. I can't imagine how many points a serious Tier 1 team would put on us if we qualify for the cup while we are at this level.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Bogdan_DC » Wed, 02 Aug 2017, 05:48

Simbas91 wrote:Here's how I think about it. If we aren't good enough to beat Namibia in Windhoek on a consistent basis, we are probably not ready to be in the World Cup. I can't imagine how many points a serious Tier 1 team would put on us if we qualify for the cup while we are at this level.
Healthy thinking but personally i think you need just some better 1st line options. And still World Cup qualifiers should be played home and away.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby dwpeate » Wed, 02 Aug 2017, 11:04

Side note - following this weekend, there is just one qualifying fixture left in the year, and then we're into the final rounds of everything already. Seems to have shot by faster than the 2015 qualifying.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Wed, 02 Aug 2017, 12:01

dwpeate wrote:Side note - following this weekend, there is just one qualifying fixture left in the year, and then we're into the final rounds of everything already. Seems to have shot by faster than the 2015 qualifying.


What do you mean with final round? The two most competitive regions Europe (return round) as well as Africa will play it out in 2018. The 2nd Americas spot is being played for in January 2018. The only region finished in two days with Cookies vs. Tahiti is the joke the Oceania qualification is.

Also there actually is another qualfiication game this year with Portugal facing the Czech Republic on 18 November 2017 for the right to play Europe 2 in May 2018 for the Europe/Oceania play-off or repechage spot.

Edit: I forgot Asia, who will use their Asia Championship 2018 to destine who plays Oceania 4.
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby dwpeate » Wed, 02 Aug 2017, 21:44

Yep - thats everything I just said. After this weekend, there is just one qualifying fixture left this year - Portugal v Czech Republic.
Then we're into the final rounds of all the regional stuff. :)

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 03 Aug 2017, 07:07

dwpeate wrote:Yep - thats everything I just said. After this weekend, there is just one qualifying fixture left this year - Portugal v Czech Republic.
Then we're into the final rounds of all the regional stuff. :)


Fair enough. Thought you meant the repechage as the final round. ;-)
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Sun, 06 Aug 2017, 06:08

Cook and Senegal are the eliminated nations #67 and #68

Twenty nations are still on the fight for the remaining five spots
Africa (6): Namibia, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Uganda, Tunisia, Morocco
Americas (2): Canada, Uruguay
Asia (3): Hong Kong, South Korea, Malaysia
Europe (7): Romania, Russia, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Portugal, Czech Rep.
Oceania (2): Samoa, Tahiti
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby BigG » Sun, 06 Aug 2017, 08:06

amz wrote:Kenya needs to sort their forwards first, there is little chance to defeat Namibia, even home, without a good pack.


Fully agree. It is not Rugby 7s'. Pack very much matters, especially at that level.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby dwpeate » Sun, 06 Aug 2017, 09:48

Amount of fixtures left by region/round:
africa: 15 (Gold Cup 2018)
asia/oceania: 8 (ARC > winner v Tahiti)
Europe/oceania: 14 (REC > 2nd place v Por/Cze > winner v Samoa)
Americas: 2 (Canada v Uruguay)
Repechage: 6 (if the round robin format goes ahead!)

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Sun, 06 Aug 2017, 21:54

dwpeate wrote:Europe/oceania: 14 (REC > 2nd place v Por/Cze > winner v Samoa)

I reckon you made a small mistake here.
As Belgium avoided relegation they are not out of the Qualifier yet. So its 5 rounds with 3 games in REC => 15 games + Por/Cze + 2ndvs.Por/CZE + winner vs. Samoa => 18 games.
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Armchair Fan » Sun, 06 Aug 2017, 22:23

But Georgia games don't count. 10 REC games, Portugal v Czechia, the winner of that game against REC minus Georgia 2nd placed team and Samoa v Europe 2 two games make it 14.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Mon, 07 Aug 2017, 04:50

Armchair Fan wrote:But Georgia games don't count. 10 REC games, Portugal v Czechia, the winner of that game against REC minus Georgia 2nd placed team and Samoa v Europe 2 two games make it 14.


Thanks, makes perfect sense.
How could I even forget about Georgia :oops:
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby NaBUru38 » Thu, 28 Sep 2017, 17:11

http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2017/0 ... ualifiers/

Canada vs Uruguay will be played on January 27 in Canada.
Apparently they want to play at the roofed BC Place in Vancouver.

Uruguay vs Canada will be played on February 3 at the Estadio Charrúa.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby olivier » Fri, 29 Sep 2017, 16:44

So we're not waiting ranking from November tests.

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