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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby paratus » Sat, 03 Sep 2016, 13:48

Well apart from the lower division Asian nations that had no chance to compete for this RWC there is also the notable absence of any of the Oceania teams bar Samoa, Tonga and Fiji.

Having said this, the information on the site is full of inaccuracies - even in those parts of the tournament that have already taken place. It's a heap of shit really...

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Silver Fox » Sat, 03 Sep 2016, 14:08

No Flidta, it wasn't there yesterday yet.

Some observations:
- In a way the RE Championship is also part of the process. If number last should lose the following promotion/relegation play-off they will be out of qualification.
- The winner of the RE Trophy (let's say Portugal) gets to play 2 play-off matches. One for promotion AND the RWCQ round 4 play-off.
In case they should win both they then have 2 shots at advancing in qualification. Firstly by finishing first or second (not counting Georgia) in the championship. I do not know what happens to the fifth play-off match then.
Or if they end in one of the positions 3-5 (more likely) via the play-off match. If these play-off matches are like the format used for RWC 2015 they will have home advantage.

- One of the winners of the RE Conference 1 pools will get to play at least four play off matches. I understood that the play-offs for promotion to the RE Trophy would be on a home and away basis. I assume these will double as RWC qualifiers. After these they visit the winner of the conference 2 winners play-off after which they are expected to host the RE Trophy winner.
If I have interpreted the schedule correctly there is a busy May and June ahead for one of them (Sweden is my guess).

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Sat, 03 Sep 2016, 19:43

Silver Fox wrote:Some observations:
- In a way the RE Championship is also part of the process. If number last should lose the following promotion/relegation play-off they will be out of qualification.

My last understanding is that the RE Championship counted for the RWC qualification is that of 2017. So, the incoming tournament would be completely part of the process.

- The winner of the RE Trophy (let's say Portugal) gets to play 2 play-off matches. One for promotion AND the RWCQ round 4 play-off.
In case they should win both they then have 2 shots at advancing in qualification. Firstly by finishing first or second (not counting Georgia) in the championship. I do not know what happens to the fifth play-off match then.
Or if they end in one of the positions 3-5 (more likely) via the play-off match. If these play-off matches are like the format used for RWC 2015 they will have home advantage.

If the Re Championship edition counted is the 2017 one, things should be a bit simpler: Portugal would have to defeat the Conferences winner, then to defeat the second best placed (except Georgia) of the Championship, then to defeat the third of Oceania… The RE Championship 2018 should be alien to the qualifications' path.

- One of the winners of the RE Conference 1 pools will get to play at least four play off matches. I understood that the play-offs for promotion to the RE Trophy would be on a home and away basis. I assume these will double as RWC qualifiers. After these they visit the winner of the conference 2 winners play-off after which they are expected to host the RE Trophy winner.
If I have interpreted the schedule correctly there is a busy May and June ahead for one of them (Sweden is my guess).

I had understood that all the play-off will be on a home-or-away basis, but I'm not sure
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby DRL » Sun, 04 Sep 2016, 07:54

If you look at the timeline of the bracket you clearly see, that the 2018 REC is the one where the qualification is played.
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/qualifying/europe/bracket
In 2016/17 its the RET (Trophy) and the lower division. And in 2018 its the REC winner (without Georgia) for the direct spot.
Then in May 2018 its the one-match-playoff against the 2017 Trophy winner (they probably win the playoff round before).
And than its the two match playoff againt the third of Oceania (Tonga) in june 2018.

So if Portugal (likely) wins the 2017 Trophy and finishes Second in the 2018 Championship they have a playoff againt themselves.

And if you wonder why the 2017 REC is mentioned (including the Georgia games btw.) Well the Team who is relegated after the 2017 REC will be out of the qualification process. Well unless they are the Trophy winner, who have won the playoff round before ;-)

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Sun, 04 Sep 2016, 08:35

Thanks, the layout of those pages in my pc is messy and I can't understand to which year the various steps are related

I will try to read it with the iPhone, maybe I will be more lucky
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sun, 04 Sep 2016, 12:54

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/qualifying/europe/bracket

Oh, dear! Missed timeline altogether!

But is it scaled properly? ... as nothing on THAT site is

It is impossible to figure out where 2016 ends and 2017 starts

Ditto for 2017 and 2018

I seriously doubt that C1 and C2 PO are held in 2016

And similarly, can't say that REC leg is slated exactly for 2018 proper

There have been some leaks: to Wiki, to Czechs ...

And logically, Euro 1 would qualify in spring 2017
as Pacifics 1 and 2 will in summer 2017

whilst Euro2 and Pacifics3 would playoff in autumn 2017
penciling 4-team Global Repechage for summer 2018

Saying all this, it is BLOODY DISAPPOINTING
that WR | RE | RWC are keeping TOTAL SILENCE
and REC Unions follow them

@

May I ask posters of this FORUM to approach THEIR respective Unions
and learn from them WHAT REC 2017 (spring) IS PLAYED FOR?


The Unions I mean: ROM RUS SPN GER BEL

It is first time since inception of RWC that QUAL process starts
with NO definitive guidance from the ORGANIZERS -
very sad and shows the immaturity of the Rulers of rugby

@

Here http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/qualifying/europe
right (scroll down) bar lists GEO games - this is ridiculous at least

@

Some progress on this chart
http://www.rugbyeurope.eu/competition-128.htm
PO shown in blue

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WIKI goes for *SINGLE season model* within RE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Rugb ... l_play-off
2016/17 (or 2017 for the Championship) will be the sole season used for the qualification ...

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby DRL » Sun, 04 Sep 2016, 16:05

[quote="FLIDTA RISXVA"][quote]

It is impossible to figure out where 2016 ends and 2017 starts

Ditto for 2017 and 2018


Between the years there is a VERY VERY VERY thin line. Imposible to see on a mobile device.
And very hard to see on a laptop.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby antlat » Mon, 05 Sep 2016, 00:48

This is my interpretation of the Europe Flowchart. The naming of Rounds is totally made up by myself.

Round 1a
2016/2017 Rugby Europe Conference 1 North
Czech Republic, Sweden, Lithuania, Latvia & Luxembourg
Winner advances to Conference 1a Final

2016/2017 Rugby Europe Conference 1 South
Croatia, Malta, Israel, Andorra & Cyprus
Winner advances to Conference 1a Final

Round 1a Final April/May 2017 Single Play-off
Winner 2016/2017 Rugby Europe Conference 1 North vs Winner 2016/2017 Rugby Europe Conference 1 South
Winner advances to Round 1 Play-off

Round 1b
2016/2017 Rugby Europe Conference 2 North
Hungary, Denmark, Norway & Finland
Winner advances to Conference 1b Final

2016/2017 Rugby Europe Conference 2 South
Slovenia, Serbia, Austria & Bosnia/Herzegovina
Winner advances to Conference 1b Final

Round 1b Final April/May 2017 Single Play-off
Winner 2016/2017 Rugby Europe Conference 2 North vs Winner 2016/2017 Rugby Europe Conference 2 South
Winner advances to Round 1 Play-off

Round 1 Play-off May/June 2017 Single Play-off
Winner Round 1a Final vs Winner Round 1b Final
Winner advances to Round 2 Play-off

Round 2a (This 100% guess work)
2016/2017 Rugby Europe Championship
Romania, Russia, Spain, Germany & Belgium
Top 4 advance to Round 3a.
Fifth place eliminated from World Cup Qualifying if it loses Promotion/Relegation Play-off against Trophy winner.

Round 2b
2016/2017 Rugby Europe Trophy
Portugal, Ukraine, Moldova, Netherlands, Poland & Switzerland
Winner advances to Round 2 Play-off.

Round 2 Play-off November 2017 Single Play-off
Winner Round 2 vs Winner Round 1 Play-off
Winner advances to Round 3 Play-off

Round 3
2017/2018 Rugby Europe Championship
Top 4 plus winner of Promotion/Relegation play-off if that winner was from 2016/2017 Rugby Europe Championship
Winner qualifies for Rugby World Cup as Europe 1.
Runner up advances to Round 3 Play-off.

Round 3 Play-off April/May 2018 Single Play-off
Winner Round 2 play-off vs Runner up Round 3.
Winner advances to Cross-Regional Play-off against Oceania 3.

The situation with Rugby Europe Championship is complete guess work but the only way I can see that the 2018 Championship can be involved in qualifying as indicated on the flowchart.

I also believe that all the Play-offs for the Rugby Europe Championship will more than likely be separate to Rugby World Cup Qualifying Play-offs.
Hopefully it will be clarified soon. The Play-off dates above is from that Czech Rugby Union article.

Thanks to Rugby.Change the European Championship works as follows,
The promotion and relegation works like this:

* The bottom placed Championship team will play a play-off against the top Trophy team, the winner of that match competes in the next years Championship
* The bottom placed Trophy team is automatically relegated to Conference 1, and each year the north and south conferences will change pending where each team is located in Europe to geographically balance the conferences.
* The winners of Conference 1N and Conference 1S, will play a play-off against each other with the winner of that match competing in the next years Trophy tournament.
* The bottom placed team of both Conference 1N and Conference 1S is relegated to Conference 2, and like Conference 1, north ans south conferences will change pending where each team is located in Europe to geographically balance the conferences.
* The winners of Conference 2N and Conference 2S, will automatically be promoted to Conference 1 for the next year's Conference 1 competition, north and south conferences will change pending where each team is located in Europe to geographically balance the conferences.
* Team with the worst record in aggregated table, acoross Conferene 2 North and South is relegated to the Development league.
* The winners of the Development league is automatically promoted to the Conference 2, north and south conferences will change pending where each team is located in Europe to geographically balance the conferences.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Mon, 05 Sep 2016, 06:23

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:Here http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/qualifying/europe
right (scroll down) bar lists GEO games - this is ridiculous at least

If the ultimate edition of the RE Championship of the qualifying path was the 2018 one, the matches of the 2017 edition involving Georgia would be indirectly part of the qualifying because determinant to define the last placed team.
If the ultimate edition for the qualifying path was instead the 2017 one, the 2017 matches involving Georgia could be not part of the qualifying path itself.
So the fact that the Georgia's matches are present in the list of qualifying games is a clue in favor of the hypothesis of RE Championship 2018 awarding RWC qualification.

(I hope to have been clear; it's difficult for my poor english to talk about these mechanisms)

PS: http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/qualifying/europe/fixtures lists also Estonia, Turkey and Cyprus' (all no WR full members) matches. If it's correct, their games will be counted for the qualification.
This is a further complication: and if Turkey won its pool? There would be a play-off for the promotion involving Turkey (no-member) and a play-off for the RWC qualification involving the second placed (member)?

PPS: thanks Antlat, very clear and exhaustive as always
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 05 Sep 2016, 06:46

MATES, instead of endlessly guessing and putting forward various hypothesis,
would NOT be it more feasible if ONE of us - whose mother tongue is EN -
wrote to RWC | WR | RE and politely asked for guidance | explanation over this mix-up?

Who will raise a hand?

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Mon, 05 Sep 2016, 08:40

I've tried emailing WR before far another reason, the email response I got literally said 'We won't respond to you'.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 05 Sep 2016, 08:48

Yes, they are ... if not Gods then Idols for sure

Can't we attack them via facebook | twitter?

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby antlat » Mon, 05 Sep 2016, 09:14

Does anyone have the contact details of all the regional associations??

I have sent the following to message to info@worldrugby.org but doubt I will get a response,

"Dear World Rugby,
Can you please explain the step by step process of the 2019 Rugby World Cup Qualification.
The flowcharts located at http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/qualifying is very poorly presented, difficult to read on many devices and has caused more confusion than providing answers.
I am sure clarification will please many rugby fans around the world. As evidenced by many fans reactions on various forums, we greatly disheartened at the lack of information and clarity in this qualifying campaign.
Can you also clarity how non - full World Rugby members are dealt with in the various tournaments? Are their results factored in or completely ignored.
This has by far been the most disappointing coverage of World Cup qualifying to date."

I also posted this message on their facebook page

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 05 Sep 2016, 11:35

Have checked with GEO union foreign relations department 5 minutes ago

That document - *QUAL rules etc etc* really EXIST and was circulated last week

As I think, ROM RUS SPN GER BEL POR MLD ... rugby media =
either independent or from within union =
should have RIGHTS to request its PUBLICATION
... unless there is a VETO | DEADLINE set by the ORGANIZER

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby antlat » Thu, 08 Sep 2016, 20:55

Does anyone know the email addresses for the regional associations?

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby argie » Mon, 12 Sep 2016, 00:58

antlat wrote:Does anyone know the email addresses for the regional associations?


Sudamérica Rugby
http://www.sudamericarugby.org/staff-sudamerica-rugby/

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Thu, 29 Sep 2016, 06:09

Interesting weekend with four qualifying matches, if the estonian one is part of the qualifications too (Estonia is no World Rugby member). Apparently we will have a live streaming for all the games!
And there's also a map with the six countries involved. Time in GMT/UTC

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11.00 Estonia v Hungary http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ux6m ... 2016_sport
19.00 Mexico v Guyana http://mexrugby.com/website/multimedia/63.html
Sun
19.00 Colombia v Ecuador http://livestream.com/accounts/7735160/events/6348286
21.00 Peru v Venezuela http://livestream.com/accounts/7735160/events/6348286

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby argie » Sun, 30 Oct 2016, 02:59

Colombia eliminated Mexico from World Cup qualifyng in a 29-11 win in Medellín. Now they have to face Paraguay in Asunción for promotion to South American "A" Championship on Saturday November 19.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Sun, 30 Oct 2016, 06:25

Mexico is the 30th eliminated nation, according to my list

Taiwan 16 5 2015
Pakistan 20 5 2015
India 30 5 2015
Cina 10 6 2015
Indonesia 10 6 2015
Rwanda 1 1 2016
Swaziland 1 1 2016
Kazakhstan 1 1 2016
S.Vincent&G. 5 3 2016
Camerun 12 5 2016
Singapore 14 5 2016
Uzbekistan 18 5 2016
Guam 18 5 2016
Bahamas 21 5 2016
Giamaica 21 5 2016
Barbados 21 5 2016
Tailandia 21 5 2016
Bermuda 18 6 2016
Trinidad&Tobago 18 6 2016
Zambia 29 6 2016
Cayman 2 7 2016
Mauritius 13 7 2016
Nigeria 16 7 2016
Monaco 31 7 2016
Grecia 31 7 2016
Bulgaria 31 7 2016
Guyana 1 10 2016
Perù 5 10 2016
Venezuela 8 10 2016
Messico 29 10 2016
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Wed, 09 Nov 2016, 12:09

I'm not sure about how to read the translation, but according to a google-translated russian article not only the matches against Georgia but also the matches against the team promoted from the Trophy will be ignored in the 2017/18 Rugby Europe Championship's path toward the RWC qualification

In the selection table on the KM-2019 includes all matches of the European Championship of 2017-2018, except for the following games:

Matches involving the national team of Georgia;
Matches involving the national team winning Trophy-2017, published in the European Championship 2018 on the results of 2017 season. In this case, the selection table on the KM-2019 is not taken into account and matches involving the national team, has left the European Championship in the season-2017.


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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby dwpeate » Wed, 09 Nov 2016, 12:41

Is there a playoff from trophy to championship? If so if the last place team remains will they still be able to take part?

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby antlat » Wed, 09 Nov 2016, 21:58

Not including matches involving Georgia makes complete sense and this has been the traditional approach in past qualification tournaments.

I think its safe to assume that matches involving Cyprus, Turkey and Estonia will also not count on the competition tables. At least that would be logical.

The next part is a bit confusing. I have contacted Rugby Europe to ask for clarification. From what I am reading, I believe that all matches in 2016/2017 Championship are included except for Georgia. Then the last place team has a play-off against the winner of 2016/2017 Trophy. The winner of that match then advances to the play-off against the 2nd Place team from Championship 2016/2017 and 2017/2018 combined table (ie two seasons). With the combined table, only four nations will be included. Therefore even if the last placed team re enters the Championship 2017/2018 or the 2016/2017 Trophy winner manages to win promotion, their matches will not count in 2017/2018 as they have already qualified for the play-off against the Championship runner-up.

Hope that makes sense.

Lets hope Rugby Europe replies to my contact form as I have asked them to publish the rules on their website and clarify.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby antlat » Thu, 10 Nov 2016, 19:58

Oops, just realised the article is only referring to the 2017/2018 Championship

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Fri, 11 Nov 2016, 07:00

A sort of graphic with the qualified teams in all the world cups, men's and women's. England, France and Canada are the only nations always present, but the canadians have still to qualify for the edition '19

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Thomas » Fri, 11 Nov 2016, 11:16

Canalina wrote:A sort of graphic with the qualified teams in all the world cups, men's and women's. England, France and Canada are the only nations always present, but the canadians have still to qualify for the edition '19

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Very nice work it gives a clear picture of how countries have progressed.

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