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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Ser Podrick of Payne » Wed, 16 Nov 2016, 18:28

And this weekend

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Fri, 18 Nov 2016, 08:23

Reading the World Rugby pages dedicated to the RWC qualifying http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/qualifying/fixtures
we could deduce some details about the qualifying mechanism, even if it's not so certain that even the World Rugby site is perfectly faithful
The fixture & results section reports the matches involving teams like Cyprus and Estonia, this should mean that also those matches are counted in the qualifying path. At the opposite, they have not the next saturday's fixture between Slovenia and Turkey, but maybe Turkey has withdrawn also from this event and they are already aware of it.
The list reports the Africa 1A games (Namibia v Kenya et cetera) and this should mean that the Africa Cup 1A determining the qualification will be the edition 2017 (if it was the edition 2018, the results of the edition 2016 would not have been directly influent). But we can't have certainty about that. The list has also the results of Africa Cup 1C, so Morocco should still be on course

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Thu, 08 Dec 2016, 07:13

SUDDENLY came across THIS on WIKI

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SIMPLER VERSION

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Thu, 08 Dec 2016, 08:15

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:SUDDENLY came across THIS on WIKI

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When, in year 3026, martian explorers will land on earth and discover this under the sand, they will deduce that Earth inhabitants of XXI century were completely mad

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby amz » Thu, 08 Dec 2016, 08:20

Why are you so pessimistic? I am sure we will play rugby on Mars in few hundred years and I think the qualification path will be much more complex than this one.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Thu, 08 Dec 2016, 12:26

I do like the simplified version, but some teams are missing. As Germany is missing I have to insist the simplified version is utter bullshit a disgrace to the whole human race and should be banned. :lol:
The simplified version including the flags of the "university-degree-map" would be the perfect one.
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Thu, 08 Dec 2016, 16:48

Thanks to ALL for THREE wonderful, witty comments

Let's get serious

Unfortunately, we still have NO official word from WR | RWC| RE in English, at least on WEB

This http://www.rugby.ru/new/sistema-otbora- ... vropa.html
was posted a MONTH ago but, due to busy November, I just got a time to read through it

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As it seems to me,
so-called QUALIFIERS TABLE (QT) operates on 2-year basis within REC: 2017 + 2018

It, the QT, would consist of FIVE teams (current REC fold minus GEO),
if *2017 Trophy winner* could NOT beat *2017 REC bottom team* in RE PO (date TBC)
and thus REC field stays the SAME for 2018

Otherwise, the QT would contain ONLY FOUR teams as
NEITHER *2017 REC bottom team* NOR *2017 Trophy winner* results
from 2017 and 2018, respectively, would count into QT

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Pathway-wise,

a) *FIRST-placed team of QT* at the end of March 2018, QUALIFIES for RWC 2019

b) if *2017 REC bottom team* loses to *2017 Trophy winner* in RE PO,
the *bottom team* is OUT of RWC 2019

c) Not'with'standing of RE PO result,

if *2017 Trophy winner* defeats *RE lower divisions winner* in November 2017,
the *Trophy winner* will have a SEPARATE (out of REC 2018) CRACK at
*SECOND-placed team of QT* in April-May 2018,
the winner earning a dubious pleasure of facing OCEANIA'3, H&A, in June 2018

... I'd rather stop here >> for the subsequent scenario see that SIMPLER VERSION

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby GeoRugby » Thu, 08 Dec 2016, 17:00

As it seems to me,
so-called QUALIFIERS TABLE (QT) operates on 2-year basis within REC: 2017 + 2018

It, the QT, would consist of FIVE teams (current REC fold minus GEO),
if *2017 Trophy winner* could NOT beat *2017 REC bottom team* in RE PO (date TBC)
and thus REC field stays the SAME for 2018

Otherwise, the QT would contain ONLY FOUR teams as
NEITHER *2017 REC bottom team* NOR *2017 Trophy winner* results
from 2017 and 2018, respectively, would count into QT


I guess the teams that will play for Qualification should hope that the bottom placed team at the end of 2017 season stays on in REC for 2018, because the results against this team would count toward their qualifying and their chances of qualification for WC would be increased.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Thu, 08 Dec 2016, 18:33

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:b) if *2017 REC bottom team* loses to *2017 Trophy winner* in RE PO,
they (bottom team) are OUT of RWC 2019

I hadn't understood this line. Why would they be both out of the RWC? They would be out if the Trophy Winner loses with the lower division winner and then defeats the REC bottom team, maybe? It's a bit difficult to understand perfectly all to me
GeoRugby wrote:I guess the teams that will play for Qualification should hope that the bottom placed team at the end of 2017 season stays on in REC for 2018, because the results against this team would count toward their qualifying and their chances of qualification for WC would be increased.

I haven't understood this too: why the chances of the REC teams would improve if the bottom sided team remains between them? Wouldn't be the opposite? They will have to battle in five instead than in four, and the second placed will have anyway to play a play-off with the best team of the lower divisions. Or am I wrong?

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby GeoRugby » Fri, 09 Dec 2016, 03:49

I haven't understood this too: why the chances of the REC teams would improve if the bottom sided team remains between them? Wouldn't be the opposite? They will have to battle in five instead than in four, and the second placed will have anyway to play a play-off with the best team of the lower divisions. Or am I wrong?


You are right. I think I also misunderstood. Sorry about that.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 09 Dec 2016, 06:14

Why would they be both out of the RWC?


Not *both*, ONLY the *bottom one*

This misunderstanding stems from linguistics:
I refer to a team as *they* (a nation)
Should it be *he | she | it *?

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Fri, 09 Dec 2016, 07:12

No, my fault, sorry, I read 'both' instead of 'bottom'

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Fri, 09 Dec 2016, 07:36

I'll avoid using pronouns - write the entire NAME instead, even it is too long

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Fri, 09 Dec 2016, 10:58

On a sidenote. We could get the strange situation that the winner of the REC isn't the World cup participant due to the Georgia games not counting. Yes it is very unlikely, that Georgia doesn't win it. But what if:

Example (I use Germany, because sometimes you have to be optimistic):

Germany, Georgia and Romania beat all of Russia, Spain, Belgium 28:0
Germany-Georgia 28:22
Romania-Georgia 0:10
Germany-Romania 7:14
The other results don't matter

Table REC:
1. Germany 21
2. Georgia 20
3. Romania 19
4. Russia, Spain, Belgium

Table World Cup qualification:
1. Romania 19
2. Germany 16
3. Russia, Spain, Belgium
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Tue, 20 Dec 2016, 09:12

http://www.rugbyeurope.eu/article-874.htm

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97th Rugby Europe General Assembly meeting took place
on Friday 9th and Saturday 10th of December
at Société Générale Headquarters in Paris,
gathering the 47 unions members’ representatives.

OCTAVIAN MORARIU re-elected as Rugby Europe President

Vice-Presidents:

Vyacheslav Kopiev (Russia)
Rob Udwin (England)
Madeleine Lathi (Sweden)
Fabien Pelous (France)

General Secretary: Gilbert Celli (San Marino)
Deputy General Secretary: Bernard Jargeac (Luxembourg)
Treasurer: Peter Schupbach (Switzerland)

Other Board of Directors:

George Nijaradze (Georgia)
Alfonso Feijoo (Spain)
Klaus Blank (Germany)
Dominic Mc Kay (Scotland)
John O'Driscoll (Ireland)
Drazen Colnago (Croatia)
Jens Aage Skare Nielsen (Denmark)
Zeno Zanandrea (Italy)
Geraint John (Wales)

Who's responsible for SITE ...
to put RWC Qualifying RULES on it
and thus deal with this endless MESS ?

Retired ... historical members of FIRA and RUGBY EUROPE:

Jean-Louis BARTHES (previous General Secretary),
José-Maria EPALZA (latest Treasurer)

Executive Committee members:

Pierre CAMOU (France), Martin DAVIES (Wales), Raul MARTINS (Portugal), Tullio ROSOLEN (Italy)
who were warmly thanked for their commitment and support in Rugby Europe history.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Mon, 02 Jan 2017, 08:11

A resume of the qualifying from Asia Rugby website (I have a lot of troubles on reading that website with the pc after they've redesigned it as mobile-friendly) https://www.asiarugby.com/2016/12/23/ro ... story-far/

There are some discrepancies between their list of eliminated nations and my own one
They report as eliminated...

ASIA: Uzbekistan, Guam, and Thailand

AMERICAS: Bahamas, Barbados, Bermuda, Cayman, Guyana, Jamaica, Mexico, S.Vincent & the Grenadines, Trinidad & Tobago.
Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela

AFRICA: Mauritius, Nigeria, Zambia


I have also…
Ukraine (they seem already mathematically out to me, but I could be wrong or they could have not noted it)
Bulgaria, Greece, Monaco (they don't take part in qualifying but they are WR members, so I consider them eliminated too)
Singapore (relegated from Asia I to Asia II, so they should be out)
Kazakhstan (withdraw)
Taiwan, India, China, Indonesia (early eliminated in 2015 or, considering it in an other way, not admitted in the qualifying process)
Rwanda, Swaziland, Cameroon (WR members but not playing in the qualifying path due to different reasons)

Furthermore they included Ecuador as eliminated nation but Ecuador is still not a WR full member

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Mon, 02 Jan 2017, 10:07

I have NO problems using PC with Windows XP and modern Firefox

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Canalina » Mon, 02 Jan 2017, 10:59

FLIDTA RISXVA wrote:I have NO problems using PC with Windows XP and modern Firefox

My only problem is that the drop-down menu of the website occupies three quarters of the screen and I'm not able to turn it away, so I have to "spy" the articles on a tight free strip at the bottom of the screen… : )
I have a Mac

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Fri, 06 Jan 2017, 18:51

I am really confused.

The European main qualy is supposed to be the 2017 + 2018 Rugby Europe seasons, right? Matches against Georgia excluded.

HOWEVER, what happens if someone is relegated??? The relegation may happen every year because now there will be a relegation playoff every year between Championship's bottom side and Trophy's champions, right?

In the other hand, JUST the 2017 Trophy season is part of the Qualy. The 2018 is not. Right?

Let's say Portugal wins the 2017 Trophy and beats Belgium in the playoff. Portugal will be in the 2018 Championship! All Belgium matches will automaticaly be excluded from the Qualy table? Will Portugal still face the winner of the Conference 1 vs Conference 2 match and after this the Championship's second best team (Georgia excluded) in an EXTRA WC Qualy playoff? Meanwhile Portugal's 2018 Championship matches woudn't be part of the RWC Qualy. Am I right?

In the other hand if the isn't a team relegated after 2017 Championship there will be 5 teams in the Qualy table?
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby dwpeate » Fri, 06 Jan 2017, 22:22

Its interesting because seeing what games they have in the qualifying website, Georgia's matches are still included. This has to be a mistake though. I think the only thing WR have got right so far is to remove Turkey

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby Armchair Fan » Sat, 07 Jan 2017, 02:02

Every nation involved in 2017 REC is expecting to have both seasons counting for RWC qualifying. That means that if Belgium were to be relegated, both Georgia and Portugal games wouldn't count in 2018. But as long as Rugby Europe doesn't clarify this publicly we will keep discussing it...

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby FLIDTA RISXVA » Sat, 07 Jan 2017, 09:18

victorsra wrote:I am really confused... there will be 5 teams in the Qualy table?

You got everything right ... and the system is exteremely complicated for a casual fan to understand

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby thatrugbyguy » Sat, 07 Jan 2017, 10:17

We need a proper world cup qualification window so there's no situation like this. It's confusing as hell.

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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby victorsra » Sat, 07 Jan 2017, 16:08

Every nation involved in 2017 REC is expecting to have both seasons counting for RWC qualifying. That means that if Belgium were to be relegated, both Georgia and Portugal games wouldn't count in 2018. But as long as Rugby Europe doesn't clarify this publicly we will keep discussing it..


Yes, but suddenly all Belgium 2017 matches would be excluded from the Qualy? In other words, in 2017 we would will have one table with results between 5 teams, but from day to night if there is a relegation all the table changes because some matches will be annulated?
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Re: RWC 2019 Qualifying

Postby RugbyLiebe » Sat, 07 Jan 2017, 16:48

victorsra wrote:
Every nation involved in 2017 REC is expecting to have both seasons counting for RWC qualifying. That means that if Belgium were to be relegated, both Georgia and Portugal games wouldn't count in 2018. But as long as Rugby Europe doesn't clarify this publicly we will keep discussing it..


Yes, but suddenly all Belgium 2017 matches would be excluded from the Qualy? In other words, in 2017 we would will have one table with results between 5 teams, but from day to night if there is a relegation all the table changes because some matches will be annulated?

Why should there be a change if a side gets relegated? Everyone has already played against them. Just 3 instead of 4 games count for the Qualification in 2018.

On the other hand you might get unlucky with a home/away game against Belgium and some missed BPs.
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